Some Other Russian-Estonian Monuments
While hundreds people quarrel online and offline about the Soviet Bronze Soldier monument moved to another place by Estonian authorities, some more Soviet monuments can be found treated totally with lack of any respect in the back yard of “Museum of History” in the capital of Estonia - Tallinn. Anyone can come and see Stalin, Lenin and other Russian Soviet heroes standing and lying scattered all over the backyard, together with stone tombs which were saint for all Soviet people who trusted in Soviet state, now probably waiting their turn to go to scrap site.
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The first coment !!!
Why do people feel the need to say first, we can obviously see it without you saying it
Also this article shows a real disrespect that Estonia has for history
If you don’t want these monuments remove them and ship them to someone who does
As for the “Stalin was evil” bullshit, I would remind you that Ramases killed millions of people too, but we still happen to have his statues here
Burying history ensures it will repeat itself
Why do they just ditch them like that. I’d love to have one of those in my garden, seems like such a waste!
yo I would TOTALLY take dat in my back yard!
because estonians are pathetic.
Well, Germans don’t have statues of Hitler and Göring around either; it’s only Russians who keep their monuments to criminals, psychos and mass murderers. Makes me sick.
Well, there´re enough things in Germany, that reminds of Hitler.Believe me, cause I live there. And, by the way, it´s the USA, where mass-murders,criminals and psychos make career - look at their fucking cowboy president!!!
This post is meant to be ironic, right? Or is it just more agitprop? Lack of respect for Stalin, you must be kidding. Like Estonians owe Stalin a thing. Even then, if you get a rise from some old statues being on display in a *historical museum garden*, something is very wrong with your priorities, your objectivity and your penis length.
I agree. Estonia can now be proud of its own history. It no longer has Russia (the old ball and chain) holding it back.
I love you Bullwinkle my cock is hard
That’s great because I’m really Boris and I just had a sex change. I need a real man like you to come stuff my new vagina.
If that image stays in my mind, I will never want to have sex again!
asswipe, you owe stalin and the ussr all of your infrastructure and industry, we build your country as it is now, even the walls and historical buildings in the centre of tallin are russian.
yet you whine…fucking nazis
Awwww, you hater, I’m not even Estonian. While it’s true that things were built in Estonia during the Soviet occupation (like the structures for the 1980 Olympics), this is not a *success* of the occupation. Things would have been built even if Estonia had been a free country, and I don’t doubt the country would have been better off. Proof? After liberation, the Estonians got their shit together PRETTY well. Russia? Not so much.
And the mediaeval city centre of Tallinn was built by the Soviets? Bwahaha.
Yes estonia got their shit together, instead of being owned by russia they are owned by europe while russia remains a free state…please…
Go fuck your infrastructure, Estonia would be among the top 10-15 most highly developed countries if it weren’t for the criminal Soviet occupation. Finland managed to kick the Red Army out in 1940-41, and they seemed to do well in building their own industries and railroads.
Why haven’t those statues still been melted and sold for scrap? I’m embarassed to even have that shit lying around in my country.
Sorry, your knowledge of history is worser then it should be allowed. Finnland never kicked Red Army, they Soviets took Karelia and had enough to do in the next years by cleaning Europe from the Nazis. The proble are not Estonia on Poland in general, but the fact, that they trying to emancipate from former SU by becoming fucking Nazis!!
Also you may build all sorts on shiet, but is it worth anything? Its was common in Soviet union that factories and industries were constructed so that if this certain country would have wanted to become independent, he would have nothing to do with these factories, nowhere to sell its product etc. Economy was turned upside down and you would have to restructure and build everything up from ground zero.
KGB, who ran Soviet union wasn’t stupid, they knew exactly what to do, to make up a big mess and minimize the ambition for independence.
Oops sorry, i just now noticed the dates of the posts:D Sorry again!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Estonia
“Estonia and Finland had about the same GDP per capita before Estonia became a socialist economy. By 1987, the capitalist Finland’s GDP per capita was 14,370 USD and the socialist Estonia’s GDP per capita was around 2,000 USD.”
So tell me what good did lenin, stalin and other mass-murders bring to Estonia? Even my older grandparents and relatives told me that Finnish farmers and economists visited Estonia for advice.
I’m pretty sure that without Soviet occupation Estonia’s economy would be as developed as Finnish.
Russians are just thieves and robbers, they haven’t invented nothing big/important in the past, every idea/invention has been stolen from others. It’s good to blame Yeltsin for fukked up economy in the past, instead YOU Russian people should have done something to make your life better in a normal capitalistic-democratic way.
Also comment about your other posts: Why Soviet union had so many casualities in ww2? Because they fought with raw power. First line of soldiers were forced to fight. The later coming companies had order to kill everyone who returned.
Big casualties are outcome of stupid leaders not heroic acts.
And why is this liberation(actually it was more of a occupation to countries you “liberated” if you had been real liberators, there wouldn’t have been occupation of neighboring countries, one regime was just replaced with other) so important to you? Because this is the ONLY good thing you have done in the history.
The only difference between Hitlers Germany and Stalin’s Russia is that one of them has been trialed, the other one not(sadly).
In your later comments you say that you live in UK and know nothing about Russia’s media and its propaganda, but few sentences later you comment on Russia’s politics and economy etc? Isn’t it odd to you?
And isn’t this also weird to you, that every article and survey/research, which says something negative about Russia, is western propaganda? Every problem is caused by CIA and other western countries(the sentence where you justify Putin’s act of nationalization of press)?
This is just typical totalitarian regime, where every action is caused and justified by the fear of western invasion.
This is just sad whats going on in Russia.
I have quite a few Russian friends here in Estonia and most of them agree with my opinion that Russia is going the wrong way with its regime.
Hmm, Tallinn’s Museum of History is in Old Town that has been densely built for over half a millenia. As in, definitely no grasslands and forests nearby.
The items on display would be more fitting for the Museum of Occupation - but I’ve been to their back yard, it’s a paved over parking space (appropriately for city center).
The piccies are most likely from someone’s private junkyard collection. Official museum grounds are unlikely to be in such state of disrepair. The text on the column lying down is partially Estonian alright, so it’s likely the photos were taken in Estonia.
Odd how Russians fail to understand that much of Europe and the world view Nazi fascism and Soviet communism in much the same way. That is to say, in the same category of oppressive totalitarian regimes. Who wants to see reminders of these horrors every day?
Bravo!
WORD!
And to the sites owner; take this to your heart and STOP POSTING ABOUT THAT CRAP!
Much of Europe, who? - Estonia and Latvia? Did the soviet cummunism kill 5,709,329 jews buy burning them alive and suffocating them in the gas chambers? Go to Israel and declare your opinion to the Jewish population, I would like to see what happens to you, sick fucking Nazi!!
I know you’re a troll and an idiot, but did you ever read Solzhenitsyn?
he lived in a camp for the important individuals who stalin felt threatened by, everything he writes for the whole is speculation and personal opinion, I know only two people who had family members in gulags, yet every russian I know had a family member die on the front or due to bombs.
much better statistics,
So fuck you.
Wow, this is incredible. Can you people see the parallels between today’s Russia and Hitler’s Germany? The people in both were/are so brainwashed that they have/had no idea of the magnitude of atrocities commited by their country. Incredible what’s going on in Russia today.
The GULAG was a massive network of slave labour death camps where people died like flies from cold, malnutrition and disease by MILLIONS. It’s all resarched and documented, really, get your head out of your ass, because this is just sad.
Yes it is all documented…to be under a million…but why do I even bother, I doubt you have read the documents from 1991 anyway.
Solzhenitsyn’s crap is totally intended for brainwashed westerners. There’s completely no any word of truth in his book.
That was quite unnecessary. My reference was Poland, Hungary, former Czechslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, half of Ukraine, etc., etc. I really don’t know how you extracted anti-semitism from my statement. I said nothing to diminish the holocaust. Between the gulags and holodomer, forced “relocations”, etc. the Soviets murdered at least 3-4 times 5,709,329 of their own citizens. Recognizing one brutal, despotic regime doesn’t preclude recognizing the other. My point was that lately Russia seems bewildered that no one else seems to sympathize with her collective hysterical reaction to the soviet monument debacle. And the nonsense about “rewriting history.” I’ll stand by my statement that most of Europe despises the Soviet regime as much as the Nazi one. If I thought that such a thing were possible on such a lowbrow venue as this, I would say that you owe me an apology.
Between the gulags and holodomer, forced “relocations”, etc. the Soviets murdered at least 3-4 times 5,709,329 of their own citizens.
That’s not true. Please give your source of info. And not an american cold wart books, but reliable sources, based on archives.
well, ask your ex-KGB president for the files and get the numbers straight once and for all then
i bet KGB… sorry FSB still has the archives intact. although I really haven’t seen any lower numbers than 10 million, that’s even by Soviet historians. the figures of less than a million are inventions of recent years, what’s next, calling the murdered people thieves and nazi supporters, thus earning their deaths because poor stalin didn’t have a choice?
interesting paradox here, you are defending the regime here because it must be the evil americans making up large numbers of people the humane soviet regime sent six feet under, and you’re bashing it elsewhere
also I would like you to give an example of a “reliable source”. well your opinion is obviously based on something, if you claim 20 million deaths is false
just having fun here
Soviet archives were published in 1991 long before Putin.
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According to the declassified Soviet archives, during 1937 and 1938, the NKVD detained 1,548,366 victims, of whom 681,692 were shot - an average of 1,000 executions a day.[1] Historian Michael Ellman claims the best estimate of deaths brought about by Soviet Repression during these two years is the range 950,000 to 1.2 million - i.e. about a million – which includes deaths in detention and those who died shortly after being released from the Gulag as a result of their treatment in it. He also states that this is the estimate which should be used by historians and teachers of Russian history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge
Even Robert Conquest, who is the author of the digits of 20 millions (he wrote that in 1968), that you write here, after archives were opened, had said that his digits were false, and real numbers are almost 10 times lower.
if you read this carefully:
Historian Michael Ellman claims the best estimate of deaths brought about by Soviet Repression during these two years is the range 950,000 to 1.2 million
And now a trick question, when was Golodomor? Belomorkanal? etc etc.
and trick question vol 2 : when Stalin came to power and when did he die?
That was the time of repressions (1937-1938).
so you’re claiming that only during those two years there were labour camps and people dying in them?
From Estonia alone, a small country, two mass deportations managed to fetch at least 20000 new slaves for the death camps. In 1941 and 1949. What the hell does 1937-38 has to do with it?
In Russia, history is unpredictable.
you wanted to say: In history, Russia is unpredictable.
No, I said it correctly. It is an old Russian joke. We are sarcastic fuckers, but wise.
Actually it was my attempt to be ironic as well
I understood you.
Debating numbers is beside the point. Evil is evil.
and socialism, communism and marxism are not evil. neither did stalin kill 20 million people as the jews of brighton beach would have you beleive.
the largest amounts of deaths were due to famine which claimed over a million people and the gulags, in which under a million perished, half a million of these were nazis, such as the chechens and pre-balts who were helping the fascists. Out of the whole a much smaller denomination of the dead in gulags were russians, of whom most were people in power who stalin (being the moron he was) decided to kill because they were threatening his small georgian penis.
for reference I know two people who had family members sent to gulags, yet everyone I know had a relative perish in the war ( I personally had 9 ). with this statistic I can tell that the amount dead in gulags was sufficiently smaller than those lost on the front.
Most of the 20 million figures were generated during the post-war and cold war period to turn the world against socialism, which in itself is a beutiful idea.
If we want to compare this to the west, I could easily give you figures over 50 million of deaths caused by the CIA, the british colonial period and so on, or even mention the slave trade of which russia was not part.
so stop throwing bullshit around, because I can just as easily find bias in your direction.
LOL I rest my case.
aww I feel sorry for you I really do. It’s hard being a moron in this world, you end up a tool. *hug*
Alex, the reason your relatives and immediate contacts were not sent to GULAG is that they were most probably piss poor and undereducated and thus not a threat to Soviet regime. There were those of us in Russia whose whole families (no matter which generation - babies too) were terminated. Your base for “statistics” can therefore be classified as unsufficient and heavily biased. Please open your eyes and read up on Soviet crimes. Do not use materials just from one side of the argument or you’ll make yourself look like an idiot standing for something that one doesn’t know much about.
Dear brainwashed citizen, please watch this YouTube movie http://youtube.com/watch?v=VhKkZN1Ykns . It is very homemade, but still it is based on the true numbers from official sources. You can get the true facts about Stalin from MANY Russian book devoted to him. You can find information about everything there: the so-called “holodomor”, the so-called “repressions”, and other “atrocities”. In those book, unlike in western ones, all the facts are proved and sustained documentary.
To all those ASSHOLES: Stalin will be rehabilitated VERY SOON, and you all suck dicks, stupid brainless victims of CIA propaganda.
Sorry, I’ll believe the western books for now; no matter how many youtube links you toss at me.
I never doubted that brainwashed westerners already became disaccustomed of thinking with their OWN brain. Some ambiguous book of a dingy author is enough for them to make conclusions. Poor lame westerners.
If you’re only resting upon single one-side sources and do not wish to examine the other sources, than you words are worth a piece of nothing. Just some shitty bawling from you and alike dummies and nothing more.
yeah, the most reliable source is a youtube vid with no real documented background and author’s subjective conclusions
The guy also mentioned books by Russian authors. And that vid is based on those books.
The Israeli president just visited Estonia to open a synagogue and claimed that every piece of Russian bullshit about Nazism in Estonia is absoulute ludicrous crap. ISRAEL’S PRESIDENT. What more proof do you need that you’re brainwashed beyond any scraps of sanity?
The Soviet Union just managed to start a war which killed about 50 million people, and after that tens of millions in Siberian death camps in the Stalinist Holocaust.
Israel’s president, eh? How very trustworthy.
How about approx 10 million Ukrainian death because of Stalin engineered famine in 1930-33? Plus approx 20 million deaths in GULAG?
The world liberalization myth is pathetic!
Actually, they killed more. Read up on the holocaust and the soviet “effort”.
Junkyard is the place for these so called monuments!
The same thing is happening in Germany!! Nobody respects Hitler anymore!
Nobody? Outlandish!
“The problem for the EU is how to respond to Russian belligerence. Military intervention is out of the question, because…” - that’s terrible, UK already thinks about attacking us
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/05/19/dl1902.xml
My god, you’re stupid…
Saddening, certainly, but not surprising, considering UK’s past record. It seems the western powers are all siding with the Estonians. What a shame.
Good! Statues of Lenin and Stalin should be sold for mental. But the removal of the Bronze Solder was the same as pissing on the graves of all the dead heroes who gave thier life in order protect Europe from a brutal despotic regime.
what are you talking about, the bronze soldier is still standing in Tallinn
though it is kind of ridiculous, so much fuss about a piece of metal which no one cared about up until 2005…
First of all, the “heroes” who mostly got drunk and raped when given a chance, WERE the part of a brutal despotic regime, just not the one you have in mind.
And nobody seems to mind when Russia removes the very same statues to build goddamn FREEWAYS over the graves near Moscow? Come on people, haven’t you made fools of yourselves enough already?
judging by the pictures it’s not Tallinn, but rather maybe Lagedi (10km away) or Kohtla-Järve (180km away).
and again, what the fuck has this all to do with Russia?
I seem to recall that Soviet Union was Russian product.
and I seem to recall Soviet Union did not equal Russia
At least Hitler invented the Volkswagen Beetle. What did dumb commie invent?
No wonder you don’t know what “dumb” commies invented, because you are 100 times as dumb as the dumbest dumb in the world.
commies were very good at inventing (or mostly stealing) weapons or other means of destruction
that’s all their butt for brain is capable of really
Stealing is more actual. Hitler invented marvelous tanks, airplanes and machine guns.
Unfortunately your statements once again prove that you are dumb dumbs.
You are zombafied russian retard.
No pal. It is you who is the lame dumb german zombie.
He did. He did and it is still sold today you mean Russian zombie.
Hitler invent many things and was good artist. What did you crappy commie leader ever paint?
Hitler invent Autobahn too! What crappy road did commie produce?
Sputnik 1.
If CCCP was not Russian empire, then what was it? Kazakh? Lithuanian? Uzbek?
Don’t be a fucking idiot.
you fucking annoying piece of shit, Estonia is not Russia, end of story. if you want to drool over stalin’s monuments in backyards, try searching the vast Russian plains and forests first.
If this is not a PSed work, then it is really ashamed…
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LOL, that`s no museum, only and idiot would think that, nice try at your propaganda dipshits.
Damn you guys are desperate.
i will be soon hosting a forum/blog about how muslims are a threat to western society; everyone will be welcomed to post their material against or for muslims, and hopefully will be able to show the real face of fashism == islamism; we must prevent their success;
Muslims should be burned at the stake! Thank you for creating such a valuable forum!
Good good. Remember Charles Martel and our past defenders of Europe. Tell us the address when you get it working.
There is NO fascism is Estonia. Estonia is the world’s freest country, according to the 2006 State of World Liberty Index: http://www.stateofworldliberty.org/report/results.html
Estonia IS anti-communistic because all the trouble Estonians had to come through during communism regime, but anti-communism IS NOT automatically fascism.
On May 16th, 2007, a new Jewish synagogue was opened in Tallinn, Estonia by president of Estonia T.H. Ilves, prime minister of Estonia A. Ansip, vice president of Israel Shimon Peres, Chief Rabbi of Israel Yona Metzger, Chief Rabbi of Russia Berl Lazar and others.
Shimon Peres himself said in an interview that Estonia is a really nice country and that it has really good relationships with Israel.
Anti-communism IS NOT automatically fascism although communist Soviet Union fought against fascist Reich. Soviet Union WAS NOT alone in this fight, it had allies and THEY ALL won the war, NOT only Soviet Union.
So stop calling Estonia a fascist country. Yes, we are anti-communism because communism brought us much-much-much more trouble that good, BUT we are not fascist. Using this word is plain wrong.
What a fucking wonderful link, according to that the UK and US are in the top 10, what utter bullshit, and somehow russia is less free (whatever they mean by the word “free” I think it means “closer to sheep”) than saudi arabia and chile. a bunch of american bullshit for americans.
The majority of the losses during the war and the effort were on the hands of the USSR, it was the ONLY fighting country that had an invasion on its home soil.
I agree that Anti-socialism (by the way) does not make something facist, but this is not important, what makes estonians facist is their promotion of hitler as a saviour, and their frequent remarks on the heros of the SS.
Sharon is also not a representative of the worlds jews, he himself was a perfect nazi.
Estonia has NEVER promoted Hitler as saviour and promotion of nazism with all it’s symbolics is strictly forbidden here. I can guarantee you, you won’t find ANY nazi symbolics or Hitler’s books or whatever is sale in Estonia. It’s just a Russian propaganda that promotes Estonia as a fascist paradise with Hitler pictures on every street corner. This is funny
Try to understand that world is not strictly black and white. Estonia and many other smaller countries were INDEPENDENT countries before WWII and they lost their independence several times during the war depending if their country was currently under the power of Nazi or Soviet forces. BOTH of these powers where BAD for a countries that had lost their independence so their citizens, also Estonians, fought against BOTH of these regimes.
That’s why many of Estonians fought on German side: you had to choose between two sides to fight for a third reason - your own country’s freedom.
One of my grandfathers fought on German side against Soviet regime and was prisoned and taken to Siberia for 8 years. Another one stayed in forests as a partisan group until 1952 and was killed then by Soviet forces. They were not Nazis nor communists, they fought for they OWN country to be free from all the Czars and Fuhrers.
“Sharon is also not a representative of the worlds jews, he himself was a perfect nazi.”
Ahah, now I see, jews are also Nazis too
You, Russians, are a lot’s of fun
Everybody who says the things you don’t like are nazis, even the jews with their Vice President of Israel.
Good work, keep going!
By the way, I can sell you tooth fairies, 10$ for a piece!
I don’t live in russia since yeltsin came to power and destroyed it. And I earn plenty, but it’s still kind of you to offer your teeth.
Sharon is a nazi what israel did to palestinians under his reign was a mirror of what hitler did to them.
I like jews, I have plenty of friends who are jewish, but there is a big margin between jeudism and zionism, and jews can still be facist, as much as any other person.
ever heard of france? or denmark, or netherlands etc… trust me, the history you are taught now is crap.
Also we built everything worth mentioning in your pathetic state of an ex-lithuanian order. We gave you modern technologies , power stations, air strips, residential buildings, culture, and fuck knows how much else.
The building in the centre of Tallin, and the city wall are all russian too, I doubt many of the lithuanian buildings still remain.
what bolshevik-extremist portal this has become…
scum.
Can I ask you some questions?
Why don’t you build up your country - Russia - nowadays as you built it then when you had so much building power to build lots and lots of things to other countries too??? You said Russia built things and gave modern technologies and whatever. Where is it now????
Why is it that 90% of roads in Russia look like shit and many towns look like shit too except Moscow and St Petersburg???
Why is it that people of Russia live like slaves there by getting payed almost nothing for their work???
Why isn’t there any possibility to people to tell what they think of their Government and President in Russia???
Why is it that Russia is driven by Czar and oligarchs, not by the will of people??
Why is it that small countries like Estonia and Latvia and Lithuania do much better than Russia does??? People there are payed much better, the roads and cars are much-much better and while driving around there you almost can’t tell that 15 years ago they were Soviet countries.
Russia thinks that it has helped and built up the whole World, but actually she has problems with standing on her own weak legs.
You can thank Yeltsin for the state in which russia is in now. I’m not proud of what it has become, I’m proud of what it used to be, and will be again.
shit, I decided to actually read the whole post. you are a real peice of work “Why is russia not in the hands of the people?”
well it was…but then as you know we got fucked by capitolism and its mirrored goal of global domination…hence the power of the people was gonne, and the country went down the shitter.
as far as minimum earnings go it’s not the governments fault, the country was robbed hence, the amount of funds in circulation are minute for the majority of the population, it’s slowly recovering…but yet again blame yeltsin for the roads, for the pay, and everything else thats wrong.
are you a moron or do you have a problem with linear thinking? If I were you i would read up on the events leading to our fall, before you try to blow into my ass.
It really looks like you, Russians, MUST have a strong and cruel czar to cast his anger on you and to beat you up to make you work and act normally. You just don’t have a mindset of a democratic country where PEOPLE is the carrier of power, not czar, and everybody gives their little bit for happiness and prosperity of country.
You don’t seem to like this idea and just wait for an Ultimate Czar who never makes any mistakes, thinks only right thoughts and gives you one direct road straight to the happiness. World is not like this. I thought you are old enough to understand this.
In a normal democratic country there’s no one man who is able to screw the whole country. There are not even ten men who are able to screw the country all together. All the power in one man’s hand or having only one party is always a Really Bad Thing. To have a balanced power country must have coalition and also an opposition with both having a possibility to tell their arguments.
Russia just lives on their natural resources and every other country in the world except Russia knows it. Russia uses it’s gas resources for fulfilling it’s political ambitions. We have all seen it very well for last two-three years. Thing is that this is not politics, this is blackmailing. Putin is building Russia’s power only on natural resources, but this is a short thinking, because they don’t last forever. Country will not get healthy without healthy inner country economics and there’s none of it in Russia.
Russia should look at Japan as an example: they are tens of times smaller than Russia and they have almost no natural resources to sell, but still they are the second biggest economical power in the world after US. They can’t use their natural resources, but they can use their knowledge, their smart politics and their will to make their country better.
Intelligence and smart politics makes countries strong, not strong and arrogant leaders. Look at the US, they have morphed from a successful economical country to dumbasses who hopelessly fight with a wind and spend billions on stupid war games.
Yes I forgot russia is’nt a democratic country… although the leader was elected by 80% of the population in an election where the opposition (save for hakomada) were alcoholics and mobsters.
Then again putting this aside you seem to think that in the west people are free and hold power over the government… are you dillusional? the government in the UK and esspecially the US keep boxing the PEOPLE in. They pass new jurisdictions invading peoples privacy, create laws to take away peoples freedoms, abuse prisoners and detain them without trial… where exactly do the people hold the power is the government dos’nt listen to their mass protest?
Don’t worry about answering the questions because you can’t.
To put things into perspective I live in the UK, and I can certainly disqualify this place as a democratic state, as the governm,ent does not listen to the people, and is not working for them, rather than for itself.
we can post html?
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You are mistaken. Moscow looks like shit, too.
First of all, as a finnish person I want to congratulate the Baltic countries for the chance to develop free of the russian oppression.
The chance we got was due to the miraculious victories our small coutry has achieved every time our big and out of control neighbour has attacked.
The fact that russian people consider estonians as fascists tells us a lot about the way their administration is using the media in their own ways. Well, why shouldn´t they since they own it. The first thing that the russian people need now is the freedom of press. Listening to people like Alex makes me really sad, because he really sounds like he´s serious.
I don’t live in russia, hence I’m disconected from russian media, hence the administration has little to do with my oppinion, I made it myself.
And I am seriouse…It also makes me sad listening to people like you, who show signs of understanding NOTHING about global geopolitics, and the media warfare going on in the world today.
I’m actually very happy you mentioned media freedoms…to point somthing out we have a show called kukli “dolls” which makes fun of putin and his administration constantly, we have plenty more talkshows and such which also are’nt controlled at all.
The question remains..why did putin grab control of the press? I have an answer:
as you know the CIA uses the media in other countries to topple leaders, it has done this since it was founded, with examples such as peru, venesuela, panama, cambodia, and many more. Putin is an ex KGB officer, and knows these strategies, hence when he came to power he disabled any route for CIA to cause a coup in russia and install a puppet. The media frenzy over russian politics which you see everywhere just now is the repercussion of a struggeling europe grappeling for control over their biggest threat; russia growing in strength.
Not too kooky I hope?
*hug*
I should also add that I hold nothing against estonians, I just like to piss them off, esspecially on the internet.
In truth I would like us to get along better, it hurts me to think they are so anti russian even though were almost the same people, but fair enough they have their cause.
I really hate latvians though…with a passion, they have a day every year when they have parades in riga dressed in SS uniforms..thats going too far for my taste.
And soldiers dressing in soviet uniforms are ok? Both soviet and SS sucks dick!
Every self-respecting Estonian has a back yard full of old soviet statues (we steal them from Russia), they are much cooler than garden gnomes.
that stalin statue would make a good urinal.
those monuments of communist bastards must be destroyed. i’d take one and would piss on it every day…
I pissed on all those dead rednecks in pearl harbour…I wish I had a statue of uncle sam or george washington to piss on, I could do it all day. My real ambition is to fuck all those useless immigrants that founded that pathetic hick dominant state of a country.
I agree with jew, all those whores of america need to be fucked in the skull…but they can’t help it their all in-bread.
this place has degraded…
For us, europeans, russian communism and Nazism are same evil system. But russians can’t understand this, because they are believed, that they are descendents of Third Rome, great Russian empire, for that reason, they make so much noise, when Estonians decide move the monuments of soviet invaders.
http://ucrania-mozambique.blogspot.com/2007/05/europa-entre-hitler-e-stalin.html
Lol thats true for other areas, they started the fuss because they beleive in socialism, and considered themselves liberators, not because they thought they were the third rome.
I live in NYC and would like to know if every Russian that I see here in New York is Jewish? I get the impression that for the most part they are Jewish and not Orthodox Christian. Please let me know.
Thank you
Pookie
mate, i almost fell off my chair when i read this post, i saw the big statue also and wondered what the hell was going on!!
http://www.zezeran.com/euro/index.php?id=86
Check the vid: http://gulag.ipvnews.org/article20060901_01.php
You mean Halloween? ^^
These statues ARE located just behind the Estonian History museum near Maarjamae Palace
see this link for more details:
http://www.zezeran.com/euro/index.php?id=86
am visiting Tallinn next week and will try to grab a look at the statues
all of you are fuckin stupid. i pray for the day the nazis reclaim there spot on top of the worlds food chain
What’s wrong with you, russians? you recall communism as a good thing and think that if someone hates communists he equals to a nazi. Nazism was as bad as communism. Quid pro quo: russians respect us and we will respect them back, end of story.
Why every russian here is so pissed off at faggot ass george bush dick sucking condalezza rice pussy licking baltic states? Common fellow russians! Be better than all this! We russians have much to be proud of. After all, we were first in space which I think is the greatest honor any nation can ever have! Think of all good things. Fuck these estonian, latvian whatever faggots… ignore them… the only reason they are saying this crap is because they are jealous. These pathetic loser micro sorry ass execuses for a country are good for nothing other than getting fucked in the ass by uncle sam. Let them sell their gay ass sprats… seriously… sprats is the only thing i know about baltic countries. I never heard of anything else famous ever coming from there. Fuck them. At least countries from Central Asia have a wonderful cuisine, gorgeous women, carpets, and many many more awesome shit. What these northern european fuckers have? Nothing! They love to suck Amerika’s dick so much, but the funny thing 99% of americans never even heard of their pathetic little countries. Be russians, be proud of it!
Well actually the Stalin monuments were removed everywhere in the Soviet Union by 1962. Most of them of course melted down.
This particular Stalin-statue in the backyard of Estonian History Museum was found in an abandoned Soviet military hangar after the Soviet forces left here in 1994. As I know, the museum is planning to spread the statues around the museum park. As they are now pretty rare, they are worth preserving.
Very interesting is the fate of the most expensive Czech Stalin (group statue), which was ironically completed in 1955, two years after Stalin’s death. The next year (1956) Khruschev gave his secret speech denouncing Stalin, and so it was blown up in 1962: http://www.radio.cz/en/article/66095
“for all Soviet people who trusted in Soviet state” - 1st of all, this sentence has so many errors. put on to the point.
They trusted the Union or as you say the “state” what failed them. Communism is a failure. It can’t exist without international marketing and politics. And when that is included, the point and meaning of communism fails.
So yea, communism is a big ERROR!
Secondly, those “monuments” are there to be restored. Next time get into the subject when posting lies.
Thirdly, I’d be so happy if those “monuments” would be made into scrap metal. Deserves them good.
And why the fuck are you bitching about this. It’s so obvious that locals would hate something that had taken the control over their country. Taken our freedom.
Plus, in Russia they take down monuments honoring the soldiers who died in the WW2 just to make a highway. They don’t move it, they take it down.
awesome, can I buy that /lenin Statue? it would look great in my living room
Also you may build all sorts on shiet, but is it worth anything? Its was common in Soviet union that factories and industries were constructed so that if this certain country would have wanted to become independent, he would have nothing to do with these factories, nowhere to sell its product etc. Economy was turned upside down and you would have to restructure and build everything up from ground zero.
KGB, who ran Soviet union wasn’t stupid, they knew exactly what to do, to make up a big mess and minimize the ambition for independence.
…and do not forget that Soviets were not prepared for defence, therefore they had hard time at first years of WW2. All the satellite states and so called republics were occuppied to enter Europe and have successful “world revolution”. Fortunately there was another evil power who wanted the same and was quicker for a coulple weeks. Yes, there was holocaust. And who paid for both ewil power emerging building at the beginning of 20th century? Weren’t those representatives of the nation who suffered more of those powers?
wow, a reason enough for Russian patriots to get drunk, break into alcohol-store in the cetre of Tallinn and to get yet more drunk.
you are proud that your country got first in the space?
have you any idea…how much people got killed by rocket testings…
you won the race to space just because the americans wanted to be sure that the rocket will launch……and not kill the astronauts
and by the way…….we estonians dont hate russians. I have many friend who got russian passport in their pocket….
we just dont like those who dont like us…simple
It appears to me the Estonians are being overtly hard on Russian-Estonians who were born in Estonia. Don’t these people deserve a passport without having to pass an exam. It seems to me to be a basic human right, if thats the country you were born and raised in? Or am I just being too English and not understanding something?
Hi,
this is Raj from India.
The failure of USSR doesn’t mark the failure of Communism and Socialism. I consider that main reason of this failure of that they acted against the basics of Socialism and Communism.
unlike what most of the people believe, Socialism is the most free and secured state. it is state in which people have free to choose their destiny and they can feel that they are the important part of the society.
if that personal freedom is not given to them how it can be socialism.
this was the main reason behind the fall of USSR.
U can not follow some organization if u don’t feel part of it.
In so called capatilist contries like US, UK people are having hard time.
they have to fight for their survival everyday.
it looks that they are progressing by at the end of the day only bunch of few people are getting benifit
The reason USSR failed was there is no incentive to do well. US and UK are not going through hard times. Most people have more money now than before credit crunch because most are home owners who worked for it, with interest rates at 0.5% the mortgage payments are now low and they are paying off the capital. Of course if you want to have the state do everything and do nothing yourself then it will be hard times. Socialism is the most free? We have passports and can travel, we didn’t put up the berlin wall, we don’t have secret police. We might not be perfect but we are certainly free to choose.
Statues positive for Russia are most probably negative for Estonia? If there would be Estonian statues in Russia removed (I guess there aren’t any anyway, as Estonia did not occupy Russia). I can’t see what’s hard to understand.
I forgot to finish my 2. sentence…
…Estonians probably wouldn’t care much if they were removed in Russia.
Russians destroyed ALL Estonian monuments when they invaded in 1939.