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This picture is an illustration from Russian governmental social site http://deti.wwwerh.ru/ which deals with different family issues. It looks ok - like a simple family, with lot of kids etc.
But people noticed that it’s an exact copy from the poster of Nazi Germany. Look on the photo below - that’s a German propaganda poster which was used widely during WW2, appealing to Racial dominance of German White Race.
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Heh. I’ve been saying for a while that Russia is sliding into Nazism. Surprise surprise…
You are quoting this ridiculous example of individual`s ignorance as an example of political course of country?
yes. IT IS A GOVERNMENT website. The government charts the course of the country.
The old communit regime is back and ready to crack down on its people.
Cool, I’m a graphic designer for government websites. Nice to know my mood-boards determine the future of the country. KNEEL BEFORE ZOD(s futurist aesthetic)
*falls on knees*
Mah old kommunist mastah!
This is fake site not from russian gov. Anti russian faggots must die
thats exactly the nazi garbage people are talking about. well done you uneducated russian idiot for proving us right.
This isn’t govermental site. Look http://deti.wwwerh.ru/index2.html - this is just a blank page on a webstudio site.
… and it’s designer is an idiot, imho
A bastard is a bastard no matter what…
I just read an article about Russia falling more and more fimly into the grip of neo-nazism. How last year, there were 54 racially motivated murders - about 1 per week. This year, there had been seven by the end of January. How Moscow’s mayor had ordered all Caucasian-looking (not in the American sense of the term) people off the city’s open-air markets, which only resulted in markets becoming devoid of ANY people and goods. How a government official claimed that in no area, concentration of foreign-looking people should exceed 20%, because it could make native Russians “uncomfortable”. How last year, there were government-sanctioned mass deportations of Georgians from Russian cities.
What makes this especially ironic, in addition to being plain sick; is that Russians (just look at the comments on this site) claim to be the great liberators who rid the world of the horror of Nazism.
continue listening to mass media and let it wash your brain totally… good luck!
if u are so interested in Russia, u would find a bit more information than what they give to you…
and if u’re so tolerant and anti rasist… then go blame Baltic countries first and then whole Europe, as all countries here have same imigration problems as Russia…
This is just another clumsy attempt at propaganda. I searched for омс россии and got nothing. Just some construction agencies and stuff. Russia DOES need more birth rate, but you must be a fool or an American to believe they would rip off a NAZI poster.
try this url - http://deti.wwwerh.ru/
I though that Putin announced legislation that provides women with extra income to have children. The incentive is being given because birthrates have declined rapidly.
Not only does the Russian poster look bogus, but the Nazi poster from which it has been copied is NOT about “racial dominance of the German white race”…it’s about Winter Relief. The Cold War is still with us!
The same happend in Germany some time ago.
They started a campaign called “Du bist Deutschland” (You are germany)…
http://www.muenchen-surf.de/lex/blogbilder/0509/du-bist-deutschland.gif
But the same Sentence was used by a guy before…
http://frankenschulz.de/blog/images/DuBistDeutschland35.jpg
Hey Nazism!!! Welcome back in germany!!
What does the first image say?
“enter the site”
The nazi one says “winter help work — a people helps itself!”. The Russian designers must have known, because they took the Hitlerjugend uniform off the boy…
Haha the man on the russian poster looks like some psycho serial murderer
The german poster is definately better…
Yes, and the two little boys look all “Village of the Damned” on both posters. Hey ladies: find a psycho and breed some scary babies!
I think that the father on the Russia versions looks black or possibly Muslim.
another:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jnthn/400750087/
ps. “stalin” as the anti-spam word is a nice touch…
Hmm… another what?
And this is Wal-Mart selling a t-shirt with an SS skull on it. Weird.
http://www.bentcorner.com/2006/11/09/wal-mart-is-selling-shirts-with-a-nazi-ss-skull-on-it/
Refering to:
“that’s a German propaganda poster which was used widely during WW2, appealing to Racial dominance of German White Race.”
This is not correct. The “Winterhilfswerk” was “a Nazi charity program with the slogan “None shall starve nor freeze”.” (quote: wikipedia)
The slogan under the poster is something like “Folk helping each other”
Sorry, in this poster is no racial dominance.
Eh, you’re mostly right. The slogan underneath literally translates to “A People Helps Itself”
One can take that with racial overtones (I.E. A superior People needs no others)
You are right that Winterhilfswerk is a charitable program “Winter Helping Works” or “Winter Welfare Organization,” but odds are they only helped a specific population.
well. . . artists steal from each other all the time, especially in the field of “commercial” art, or industrial design (if you consider yourself a serious artist, but have to work doing commercial art, why waste your best ideas on adverts or state agencies?)
Please provide a link to the source of this image because it looks like pure bs. I couldn’t find it.
ОМС most probably means “обязательное медицинское страхование” - “compulsory medical insurance”. Here’s the official OMS fund site: http://www.ffoms.ru/ffoms/ - it has nothing even remotely similar to that.
- it’s not a governmental site
- the second poster (which is the original, 1935) was used by a lousy design company to create a logo for the new site. I’m sure they’ll have to redo the whole thing
- the photoshop processing is quite boring and isn’t worth to look at
May be smb would notice that it is not a site at all? It’s only a proxy, may be a draft, created by some web-designer.
@Long - yes, it exactly looks like a mockup of a website
This is a fake site! It is empty and contains stupid grammatical mistakes: “Сделано в 2007 году для Общероссийской Общественная Организация «Объединение многодетных семей России» ОМС России”. This is antirussian propaganda itself and it is done really bad.
I mean the site http://deti.wwwerh.ru
It is empty and was probably made by a person who does not speak good russian.
Can’t we all just get along. If you feel the need to bitch about this site don’t come here its pretty simple. The picture is a ripoff but there are no racial overtones in it. And to the other critics if you have a more realistic view of Russia we’d love to see it.
Was this addressed to me? Do you think I am “bitching” the site? But how is it possible for me to make no complaint when there is so much evil lie here about my country?
Anna can you explain to me whats so bad about the poster. Even if its a false one I don’t understand how its anti-russian. I don’t read russian can you translate please. I’m not trying to start a fight I’m just trying to figure out whats so bad about it. And no my post was not directed at you personally. There aren’t very many web sites that show what daily life is like in Russia and I would like to learn more about the country. If you know of a better web site please direct me to it Thank You
Love that “terminator” eye
Again anti russian propaganda. Mather fucker who post this go suck your own nazi dick on your fake site Суки пидорские за это ответите
Ты неграмотное, тупое, отвратительное животное. Как раз из за таких мразей как ты во всём мире не любят русских.
Good job on not getting a proper translation or the cultural context. You are just repeating propaganda mischaracterizing both Germans and Russians. How does that help anyone? It’s fine if you want to have ignorant hate towards others, but please don’t accuse innocents of the same.
ACK!
Эх, журналюги…
Не поленился сходить на этот самый deti.wwwerh.ru/, рассказываю. Это не сайт государственной организации. Это вообще не рабочий сайт, а заготовка. Он выложен на поддомене дизайнерской конторы. Откуда дизайнеры повзаимствовали эту картинку остаётся только догадываться… Судя по остальным картинкам, из клипартов и халявных сборников.
ЗЫ. Желающие могут перевести.
The German poster is interesting in that the males are all looking at the viewer while none of the females are. Also the adult male has the most intimidating stare and is the most “at-ease”. As you go down in age the stares are semi intimidating as well as semi curious (sort of like they’re building exactly into their dad).
Well, the women wouldn’t fight in the war would they. So it’s as if the poster is beckoning the men, leaving the women to what they do best, making babies.
@Kevin: f found your insights beautiful. i didnt really LOOK at the picture that way.
Seriously, that’s just a graphic designer looking for a picture to illustrate on the internet and he found that one which is quite fitting. Maybe he didnt realise it was a Nazi propoganda poster? It wouldn’t be that easy to know that fact unless you researched it.
I think that site is a joke about Putin’s birthrate policies. Everyone knows that if Russia just wanted more people, period, they could open up the borders to Tajiks, Uzbeks, and Kazakhs, who will have babies without getting paid, but they don’t. Instead they are paying- knowing that it will not change the birthrate of Russian Muslims, but possibly encourage Slavic Russians.
I am pro-immigration but even I can understand this policy. It’s much better than kicking out all Central Asians- after all the Russian policy towards Tajik workers is still a million times better than the American policy towards Mexican workers.
Elizabeth, it is very dangerous with immigrants. They bring with themselves new language, new religion, new culture. It is possible to have a new Kosovo from where the serbian people were finally kicked out with the help of NATO.
But of course money will not help much. In Europe people are quite rich but the birthrate is very low. On the contrary, people in Russia had very many children in older times, also right after WW2, when the economical situation was more difficult than now. There must be changed something in the moral of society.
Anna- Yes, I am not saying Putin’s policy is a bad one. I support it.
However Islam is not new to Russia- it has been a part of Russia for centuries. Tatarstan, for example, was Russian. Even Rakhmaninoff (Rahmon, from Bismullah RAHMONI Rahim) was from a Muslim Tatar family that Russified itself.
And in Kosovo, this is different because those people were living side by side. Neither Albanians nor Serbs were immigrants in the same way as Caucasians or Asians are. If Russia wants to keep out immigrants it will be in the same position as the United States, France, Sweden, Japan, and all other rich countries. No complaints from me.
I think you are mistaken.
Well, if you strip all politics out of the pictures and reduce it to what it is, an artist trying to draw emotion to a message, and whatever the previous message was, the artistry still does an excellent job of conveying a powerful concept like family. I think it was a great choice of work to ‘borrow.’ Whether the original has thinly disguised Arian connotations or not, that message is stripped of that and stylized into a nice piece of art that apparently was recognized by someone. It’s not a swaztika, it’s not Hitler, no one is forwarding a “Nazi agenda” here, and on that I say that it’s not condemnable. Whoever recognized the original after the work done to it, and after 60 plus years after the fact, either has a great eye or an odd collection.
Hats off to their observational skills
Root says (translated) that it is not a site from the organisation.
“appealing to Racial dominance of German White Race.”
No.
“Winterhilfswerk” literally means “Winterhelp”foundation”" (”Werk” in this case means that people gather to help).
“Ein Volk hilft sich selbst” means “A Nation helps itself”.
Now where does this appeal to the dominance of the german white race?
But yes, it bears a striking resemblance…
LoL! englishrussia.com at its best!
This one just got digged. Congrats again to our great moderator!
I’m in the New Media field, and I see this sort of thing from time to time. It’s called plagiarism. The artist for the Russian site was probably too lazy to do anything on their own and decided to put a spin on another’s work. Plain and simple.
How many times have you seen the Mona Lisa reused for another artist’s needs? The Venus de Milo? How about the former Soviet Union’s distinctive hammer and sickle? You can find examples of ‘plagiarism’ like this everywhere. The only difference I see here is that the art used was 60 years old, not 600.
IMHO I don’t see anyone looking at the Russian rehash and seeing a plea to breed and breed their race purely. That’s barely visible int the original without the context of being in Germany around 1939-1945.
And in the copy I see a man or woman who has no time to paint for hours and make their own ‘proud family portrait’ just to make a clickable button. That would make the Internet either an expensive or boring place to be. Like it or not, ‘plagiarism’ is what Photoshop does best.
Hmm, does this mean Gladiator is a Nazi movie because it reuses some of Leni Riefenstahl’s imagery from Triumph of the Will?
What a surreal debate, does anyone seriously think Russia would want to be paying homage to the Nazis? Don’t you muppets realise the Nazis killed 20 million Russians? National Socialism didn’t exactly endear itself to the country.
Coming from a Jewish Background I can Say, that Jewish people have much more freedom and better standards of life and opportunities now, than they ever did during the Yeltzin years, not to mention the soviet days.
However, I can see that racism and anti-Semitism increases in Russian. And Russian government must introduce tougher laws to combat this problem.
Peace!!!!!
if you pay attention to the news you would know that putin is ex KGB. if russia goes anywhere other than free market it will be communism. yes there are “nazis” in russia just like any other country. they are not in power. they are mostly street gangs that dont care for the new wave of 3rd world immigrants into russia. and i dont blame them one bit as the common people have no say in immigration policies (as in every other western country)…its sad. but that breeds anger and then you get violence.