Uncle Sam was friend of Russian Ivan
It’s interesting but just before the communist got to power as a result of October Revolution of 1917, there was a USA friendly propaganda in Russia.
For example this poster is from 1917, a few months before the communist’s takeover. It says: “Friends-Democrats - Uncle Sam and Ivan”.
But just a few month later uncle Sam became a negative hero and stayed so 70 years.
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To be continued at least 70 years more. It is brainwashing now going on in Russia, exactly like during previous 70 communist years. “Halop” will never be able to think without assistance.
Anti-Americanism in Russia has new energy now days. It is even modern now.
Common, Anti-Americanism prevails not only in Russia but in the majority of the world, for obvious reasons. Heck, even australians, who are traditionally allied with the USA, dont like americans - what message does it give?
I agree with you, only Russia is little bit sick with that.
Happy New Year to everyone!
By the way.
Yes, Bush is bad and the majority of voters elected him as our President. We made a mistake that we now regret. Here is something interesting. Now look at how the majority of people in the US think about Bush.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/12/28/ap-poll-bush-1-villain-of-2006/
Happy New Year!
We talk about Bush?
Some people on here are anti-Bush and others just hate all Americans. Oh well.
Not until the end of the Great Patriotic War did relations fall apart. Remember, the US and the USSR were allies!
Jews destoroyed Russia and now they will destroy the US
There were natural alliance between USA and USSR and other allied countries during WWII (but after 22.06.1941 for USSR).
In fact, USSR was governed by the same kind of criminals as Nazi Germany, so it was good for free world (and eventually, for Soviet people, too) that the alliance was stoped by Truman in the end of 40thies.
Roosvelt didn’t have much enough political sense and his politics was directed to a true friendship with Stalin. It was stupid. Stalin wasn’t friend to anybody including Stalin’s “friends” (most of them he executed).
Tens milion people suffered by tens of years because there had been much of friendship atmosphere in Roosvelt negotiations in 1944-1945.
P.S. Anti-Americanism is characteristic rather for young, stupid people related with left wing of politics.
Clever people rather appreciate the role of USA in the world politics.
Darek, do you study in the US?
There seem to be many Polish and Russian students studying in the US. However, the Russian students mainly come from mafia families. As soon as they get over here, they rush out and buy an $80,000 Mercedes-Benz. They have pretty good stories though and they always like to pay.
Texas1, I don’t study in USA. I’ve finished my study in Poland many years ago (I started at “soviet” time) and now I live and work in Poland.
Studing history is only my hobby.
Well, it is good to have at least 1 comrade on here!
Could the USA have influenced the USSR more by being its ally, or its enemy?
Someone in the US made the choice in the early years of the USSR to consider them the enemy, and thus they became the enemy. Perhaps I am too optimistic, but I believe maybe the US could have tried to help the fledgling Soviet government and push them to be more humane to their own citizens. Considering how close we came to nuclear war in 1962, maybe trying to befriend the USSR would have been wise option. But of course hindsight is 20/20, as they say.
Illich, dreams are good but not in politics.
If someone is criminal you don’t change him through friendly behavior.
Bolsheviks wanted to made a world communist revolution - number of estimated victims was unessential (Poles as first did ascertain about soviet intentions during war with soviet Russia 1919-1921).
By analogy, German national socialists wanted to made an european/world area for “ubermenschen” - number of estimated victims was unessential.
After Ribbentrop-Molotov pact III Reich and USSR became an allies, the first collective undertaking was attack on Poland in 1939 (Hitler and Stalin didn’t expect it, but it was the beginnig of WWII) and from that time they became the borderer. Sometimes it’s good for criminals to join and make some ‘undertakings’ but criminals together always means a problem for one of them or for boht of them.
P.S. Success of trying to befriend anybody don’t depend on you but it depends on opponent.
Come on!, anti-americanism is a normal thing in all the world. The exterior policy of the USA is terrible, only wanting to expand their empire all along the world. I’ve met a lot of americans and they’re great, but US politicians are terrible…
I’m from Spain and here, en Europe, everybody has a little bit of anti-americanism at least. In the former USSR too, and it’s normal because americans were their enemy almost 70 years. And in the middle-east… no comment.
Peter, you reduplicate a leftist bullshit.
USA durning ocupation of West Germany or Japan didn’t shoot to people who cross the borders, didn’t shoot to political oponents in dependant countries.
I live in Poland where NKWD (secret police of USSR) did shoot to thousands of polish patriots from AK (greatest partizan army in Europe)) after WWII.
Fu..ing sons of the … from NKWD which cooperated with nazi GestaPo in 1939 durning common (III Reich - USSR) attack on Poland (1939) and cooperated during period 1939-1940. Fu..ing sons of the … from NKWD which executed 25.000 polish officers as POW in 1940.
What you want to compare, Peter.
Maybe you think that rescue of South Korea from communist attack from North in 1951 was incorrect action ? Maybe you think that every Korean should die from hunger after care of Kim Ir Sen, now ?
Maybe you compare death of 50.000 Yanks who defend South Vietnam against communist attack from North Vietnam whith ‘brave’ actions of NKWD ? Till now fools from left never apologize South Vietnam citizen (US soldier, too) for fu..ing pro-communist propaganda in 70ties.
Peter, take any historical book (not only one, much more), acquire some historical knowledge and then probably you will put away a leftist bullshit propaganda.
Peter is real donkey in history. All he knows is to weep noisily about “exterior policy of the USA” in spite of failure to understand things.
“I’ve met a lot of americans and they’re great, but US politicians are terrible…”
Have you met a US politician? ddd
I’m also from Europe and I have nothing from anti-Americanism. Only little bit of anti-Peterism.
Lol, Poland. ^_________^
Hey, you polish guys should remember your country being great european power fo` real. Because now you all just act in the way your media acts - you whine and whimper, and work as waiters in London.
HAY, Where`s “Solidarnocz” shipyard workers, building huge proud fleets?
(Also, cocks.)
For the poor fool called “… Atrocity”.
I don’t work as a waiter and have good enough standard of living to pay no attention at guys as you with some mental complex. I presume from what ‘proud’ nation you originate (lol) so I excuse you that you will not come clean.
P.S. If you have any elementary knowledge about economy you will know that ordinary shipyard business is developed in countries with workers salary lover then $300 per month.
If you have any elementary knowledge …
Hellow, I’m russian student, I’m 18 years old and living in Moscow. I want to discuss with you interethnic attitudes…
You’re talking about anti-american propaganda in russia, but it’s not true…Russians are friendly to all turists and guests include’s US or Enaglish people…But american people not friendly to russians. For example I’ve got a friend which come to live for a long time in San Francisco with her parents. Her parents are urists and they come in US by the business trip. I’m regular talking with her by the icq, and she tald me that americans think that russians are another rase people, like chinese or latinos…
Almost all of americans knew just some stereotypes and few words about russia and russian people like: vodka, bears, putin, lenin, Boris and babooshka! It’s so sad…
P.S. sorry for mistakes, it’s just my school english…
Even a waiter in England would make more than a lousy $300/month. Many can make that in a day.
Hey Acts_of_Stupidity,
What country are you from?
Not from yours`, Mr. G.(W.)B. fellow countryman, for shure.
Hey Acts of Stupidity,
I hope you aren’t from the USA because that would mean that our education system is even worse than yours! By the way, the word is spelled sure.
Poland has always been somebody’s waiter. Don’t you, Poles, know your own history? Under the rule of Lithuanians. Working for germans in concentration camps. Licking Soviet Union’s boots and so on and so forth…
Texas1, our mediocre students get A marks in US. You have nothing to be proud of
Nopasaran,
Are you crazy? We have had to fight many wars on our own soil. We have fought the English, Indians, French and even a civil war. But back to Afghan, Russia looked like a coward.
Russia got its butt kicked in Afghanistan by a bunch of starving men on camels! Ha ha
14,453 dead soldiers
118 jet aircraft shot down
333 helicopters shot down
147 main battle tanks destroyed
1,314 IFV/APCs destroyed
433 artillery and mortars destroyed
1,138 radio sets and command vehicles destroyed
510 engineering vehicles destroyed
11,369 trucks and petrol tankers destroyed
Nopasaran,
If you guys are so smart then why can’t you be an economic power like the US? Also, why can’t you manage to spell a 4 letter word correctly? I think all of that Russian pollution has made you retarded.
Nopassaran,
If Russia is so great then why can the rest of the world buy Russian brides on the Internet? How pathetic! I feel sorry for stupid people like you.
If the USA is so great, then:
1. Why is the head chickenhawk running your country into the ground with “socialism for the rich” aka Keynesian-militarism ?
http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm
2. Why are there more than 35 million food insecure Americans ?.
3. Why was Cuba’s infant mortality rate lower than in the USA’s in 2004 ?
http://www.cpa.org.au/garchve04/1173cuba.html
4. Why does Amerika incarcerate black people at six times the rate of the most openly racist nation of the last century, South Africa ?.
5. Why does the USA own the dubious honour of having the largest gulag population in the world in private for-profit uberprisons and state-funded gulags
6. What’s with all the torture gulags around the world and Gitmo ?.
7. Why is Bush such a wanker ?
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/bushnonazi.html
lol this had deteriorated to a kindergarden level
OMFGZORZ, i haev mizspeled teh w0rd SURE!!!
My dear “USA education system product”, just how smart do you think you are? I would really like to know. And I would also like to know, can you little grammar nazi speak Russian?
BTW, who said anything about fighting on whatever soil, and about being proud of it? (puhhlease, dont make me post US Vietnam casualties here.)
Hello mate. Please come back we need your comments again.
Nopasaran:
>Poland has always been somebody’s waiter. Don’t you,
>Poles, know your own history? Under the rule of
>Lithuanians.
Nopasaran, you just presented lack of basic historical knowledge. I give you, now, a short lesson of history.
There was Union of Kingdom of Poland and Dutchy of Lithuania. It started in 1385.
From 1569 to 1795 there was a state called Republic of Two Nations (consisted from Kingdom of Poland and Dutchy of Lithuania).
Till now Lithuanians say that the Republic of Two Nations was dominated by Poles. How did you set conclusion that Poles was slave of Lithanians ? Do you know anything about ‘logic’ ?
I presume you’re Russian and you still use a ‘marxist dialectics’. In ‘marxist dialectics’ thing had absolutly diffrent meanings as meanings used in free world.
>Working for germans in concentration camps.
In fact Russians lost much more people from hand of Germans than Poles lost from hands of Germans and Russian togheter.
Difference was that Poles said loudly about german manace from 1933. Russians as fools helped Hitler to start WWII afeter Ribbentrop-Molotov pact, and next was on the worst lost position (lost of 27 mln soviet citizens - it has effect till now).
>Licking Soviet Union’s boots and so on and so forth…
Poor fool. Poles smashed stupid soviet system and everybody (even, you) avails oneself of that.
When 26 years ago Poles started to break communist system and when Poles did pay no attention of communist propaganda, in Russia, in DDR and in rest of Soviet Bloc milions of chicken-hearted people was still afraid of communist functionary.
Do you think I don’t remember of frightening fear of Russians, East Germans, Czechs from that times ? I don’t say they had no reasons ! I only say, that fending of Soviet Union and communist system is so lamentable, now, as fending of III Reich and nazi ideology.
You, Russians, should read careful. I don’t criticize Russians I only still say you had very fool leaders and you lost most of all from communist system. Fending of such piteous guy as Stalin and tens of similiar comarades is so lamentable as fending of Hitler and similiar creatures.
Darke from Poland and Reader. You talk about history, so lets go:
I didn’t say anything about Vietnam, but… do you remember Irak (yeah, Sadam was a friend of the USA), Chile (yeah, the killing of Salvador Allende with american money and resources), Bahía de Cochinos (yeah, Cuba, again with money and military training from the States), the nuclear support of Israel or India, and so on…
I only exposed what is true: the exterior policy of the USA sucks! And the whole world agrees with me except ultra-conservative polish people (sorry for the spelling).
America was the first and the only country that used nuclear weapon. America also destroyed Yugoslavia (not saying a word about Iraq and the other countries). And look at this site and the comments that you post here: there is much more negative to Russia from USA than vice versa. You all hate everything russian: history, culture, people, nationality… You search for every little cause to show how you hate everything russian. The negative attitude towards USA that is clear in Russia now is mostly due to America itself. And I hope this attitude will become worse with time.
1. Why is president Dubya running your country into the ground with “socialism for the rich” aka Keynesian-militarism ?
http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm
2. Why are there more than 35 million food insecure Americans ?.
3. Why was Cuba’s infant mortality rate lower than in the USA’s in 2004 ?
http://www.cpa.org.au/garchve04/1173cuba.html
4. Why does Amerika incarcerate black people at six times the rate of the most openly racist nation of the last century, South Africa ?.
5. Why does the USA own the dubious honour of having the largest gulag population in the world in private for-profit uberprisons and state-funded gulags
6. What’s with all the torture gulags around the world and Gitmo ?.
7. Why is Bush such a wanker ?
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/bushnonazi.html
The west should have let Russia have their revolution in 1917. It was all due to the crises of capitalism. Laissez-faire capitalism collapsed and died in 1929 around the western world, and it collapsed without a cold war waged against it - without world wars or 25 international armies and mercenaries invading as occurred from 1918 to 1925 as was the case in Russia. Massive destruction and loss of life.
My father volunteered to go overseas in 1939 to fight fascism. He fought with le regiment de trois rivieres in Africa, Italy, Holland and finally Brussels in 1945.
Many Canadians are thankful for Russian sacrifices in standing alone against Nazi Germany’s corporate-sponsored military machine for over two years