Some Russian cars Were Replicas
In Soviet times there were only a few models of cars produced and all of them were produced on the factories belonging to Soviet goverment, actually there were any other form of property - all the property, both commercial and resedential belonged to the state.
So at that time nobody much cared about copyright stuff so even some Soviet cars are replicas of some foreign Western cars.
Here are the examples:
This car is German Opel Kadett, was in production 1936-1940.
And that’s Moskvich 400, probably the earliest Russian car replica. Also check the road on which it’s standing.
This is the famous American Ford AA.
And that’s Russian Gaz AA.
This is Italian Fiat 600.
And that’s first Russian “Zaporozhets” car.
This is also an Italian Fiat, but 124.
And this one is probably the most popular replica car ever. It was in production since early sixties until 1987! A lot of these cars were done, and a lot of them are still can be met on Russian roads.
That’s Soviet GAZ 69.
And this is ARO M641 from Eastern Europe. Some experts say that GAZ was the first and this ARO creators replicated GAZ.
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Gaz AA and Lada 2101 were produced by the license.
Even the first Opel Kadett was builded in russia,if you ignore that,and VAZ was building fiat 124 by liscence cause all the state italian car makers were importing steel from russia.they are not copies.
Tajak,
Your statement is not very accurate actually: The Opel kadett was produced in Germany until 1940 but production ceased because of the war. After World War 2 ended the Soviet Union along with other allied countries (USA, France, GB…) were pillaging Germany (it’s decently called war trophies).
The USSR took (among other stuff) the Opel Kadett’s production facilities and rebuilt them back at home. The first Moskvitch 400 prototype was in fact the Opel Kadett built in USSR. the sole modification was the addition of a second pair of doors for the back passengers because the Kadett was a two-door car. This is how the Moskvitch 400/420 was born.
This Opel/Moskwitch was produced on a German equipment taken to Russia after the WWII as a part of retribution payment scheme. Nothing is wrong here either.
Why do the russians always say that American’s copy them when the truth is the Americans are the most copied culture on the planet then?
Russia still doesn’t care about copyright issues. It is a major stumbling block for Russia’s entry into the World Trade Organization, and many Russians are actually proud of their ability to buy movies before they come out in theaters and CDs at a fraction of the price Westerners pay. It’s (yet another) signal that Russia is not a civilized state and has no respect for the rule of law.
> It is a major stumbling block for Russia’s entry into the World Trade Organization
You’re way behind the actual news, La Russophobe. There are only two major “stumbling blocks” for Russia’s entry into the World Trace Organization - Georgia and Moldova and they don’t even dare to think about any copyright issues.
@la russophobe
yes a country that sent first man in space, give us a nobel prize winner every year or two, and stood up against every army from napoleon to now on surely cannot be civilized. russia has it’s own problems but this post is (yet another) signal that you’re a moron
keke
JF and Yuri nailed it down in the first 2 comments, yet in the third there came the ever oblivious LR and posted something without even taking her own head out her arse.
Hello!
As for “joining WTO” problems, I believe it’s obvious that you have very little understanding of what it takes to become part of the organization. Let me hint: the success or failure lies in a totally different plane than dealing with “copyright issues”. Let me hint some more: it begins with P and ends with S, and has “OLITIC” in the middle.
Another moronic comments that these cars are replicas.
These cars were built by license. Fiat built a factory in Toylyatti to build Ladas. Americans sent many cars to Soviet Union and allowed them to build their own.
licence or lack of it. who cares?
My mother’s friends were kicked from russian technology exhibition in Warsaw (mid ‘50). What they did? going trough the photocameras part they called each and every camera with its ‘original’ name. All of them were copies of western designs.
Moreover- in the flight institute near Warsaw was a place when almost all american planes taken down (or just crashed) were moved from russia territory. Reverse engeneering rulez
However we can not forget that russia didn’t spend zylions of rubels on inventing “space ballpen” they’ve just used pencils
usa pirates our AK and sell them in inner market about 5k per gun and nobody cry about copyrights. about airplanes - it’s industrial espionage. usa tried to raise a sunken sub, etc
About pirate video and audio. A lot had been done in past several years. About 3-4 years ago it was really easier to buy a pirate version of an audio or video production, because it was much cheaper and there were a lot of sales outlets selling this stuff. I was buying it also. But now i can say that situation had changed. Licensed copies became much more available (i mean not only the prices, but a lot of new shops were open). And at the same time there was a strong pressure on those who was dealing with pirate business in any way. The main problem was the price. The difference was huge. And now it’s minimal.
I can’t say that we have not such problem now, but we are moving in the right direction.
LR: Yes, in the West people are so fond of the “rule of law” that they don’t try to evade taxes and hide their incomes, or, a better example, upload, download and share songs and movies in internet. No, they don’t do that!
And also, strangely, all the new movies and albums are stoled IN America and BY the Americans themselves, who then sell them to the rest of the world. Now that really shows how “civilized” America is.
Dre i don’t agree with you )
If one person steals smth and sells it, it’s one problem, but if everyone buy the stolen goods it’s another problem.
dRE, actually, it’s illegal Russian immigrants who do it.
/sarcasm
I think Volga Pobeda was copy of 1st generation Opel Kapitan ( and that was copy of some American GM).
ZAZ is only similar to Fiat 600. ZAZ has aircooled boxer and Fiat has classic 4 inline water cooled engine.
Also, some russian luxury limo’s like “Chaika” were copy of American cars.
Beside cars Russians copied much complex stuff like Concord plane.
ZIS-101 of 30s was indeed a copy of American “Бьюик”, but ZIS-110 (111, etc.), ZIM, Chaika, different ZILs were original, though their design followed the world trends.
And I can’t understand who is La Russophobe. Is she (or he) really mad?
Two cars between “Opel Kadett” and “GAZ 69″ were produced in Soviet Union by license. They are both Fiats. Opel Kadett production lines were taken to Russia after WW2, along with other booty. GAZ 69 was constructed in Soviet Union, and was exported to Eastern Europe.
Yes– Fiat had an agreement with the USSR. I remember a friend here in the US had a Fiat with all cyrillic dials. So it’s not fair to point at the Fiat copies as illegal.
As for Russians buying bootleg copies of western films. . . it’s done all over the world, as much in China as Russia, and here in the US people do it all the time (just in small quantities for personal use, as opposed to in large quantities for re-sale). Unless western companies are going to start pressing the cds and dvds over in Russia, there will continue to be bootlegs– why pay HUGE prices for the legitimate import version when the fakes are so cheap they are practically free? Plus we are talking about a country that went through very hard ecomomic times in the recent past. La Russophobes comments are just another example of her trying to pin “evil” behavior on Russians, when it’s not “Russian” behavior but HUMAN behavior– it happens all over the globe.
SAVARA: You need to read more, idiot. The US obstructed Russia for years over this issue, otherwise it would be in the WTO right now. And it looks like Russia’s outrageous imperialism and racism towards Georgia will keep it out of the WTO forever.
AAA: America has ten times more Nobel Prizes than Russia and very strong copyright protection. The reason Russia has so few is that it won’t protect the legal rights of inventors. Think before you write, darling.
AB: Russians always make excuses for their lawbreaking, and they never work. Oh yes, of course, it’s just a worldwide conspiracy against Russians. No need for reform! Russia is already perfect! Whole world is just jealous! What classic Soviet stupidity.
URGAT: You are right!! AK is often stolen, and Russia can’t complain or get justice because it steals so much itself. Think about it! That is why so few Russians make inventions although they are clever enough, because Russians won’t protect legal rights. Instead, Russians just make excuses, as you can see in this forum. Perfect example of failure!
DRE: If you want to delude yourself that Russia has the same legal protections as the West, go ahead. USSR said the same, and look where it is now.
4EMIST: You are very wrong. You have no idea what you are talking about because you don’t speak to those who try to get copyright protection in Russia, you just repeat Kremlin propaganda. Why does Russia have one of the lowest rates of foreign investment in the world? You can’t dictate to foreigners, you have to accomodate their concerns. If you don’t, you lose. Russia hasn’t done nearly enough to correct the problem, and if you keep making excuses it never will. Russian metro is FULL of illegal material. Just go and see.
La Russophobe
)))) HA HA hA
Stupid bitch
2 La Russophobe
Every hour American CIA steel shit of russian people
to cook Cola and burgers for american people And never pay for license. It’s fact from http://La_Russophobe_is_cock_sucker.com
“La Russophobe” is so jealous of Russia’s successful upcoming that can only flame it. He is YAA (Yet-Another-Asshole for the ignorants) :-)))))))
haahahah
http://la_russophobe.justgotowned.com/
“La Russophobe”, a.k.a. Kim Zigfield, posts her insanely hateful diatribes on just about ANY public internet forum concerning Russia.
All her posts are roughly the same in tone, a mixture of egotism, petty hatred, and virulent xenophobia. She often completely misrepresents other commentor’s arguments, and not necessarily to prove her own points but rather to belittle her adversaries. Nearly anything regarding Russia, no matter how inane, can be twisted to show “what a pathetic country” it is, or “what an ignorant people” Russians are. She occasionally tries to claim that she cares about Russia’s future, or bemoans Russia’s lack of stature in the world, when at most other times she very publicly wishes for Russia’s demise. Furthermore, she is CONSTANTLY posting her diatribes, to such an extent that some bloggers have suspected “her” of actually being a Putin-hired plant, to drive up positive commentary on Russia as a reaction to her ridicule (How could anyone have that much spare time? Is this ALL she does?). Arguing wth her is about as intellectually stimulating as playing solitaire: entertaining at
first, but ultimately pointless.
She has already been banned from several other blogs, and I imagine several more bans will be forthcoming.
Thanks, Ilyich! Can you tell me anything else about her? She looks really insane - or I can’t explain in any other way how so much thilth can be in a human being. I pity this dirty creature uses in its mad speculations the names of Paul Khlebnikov, Andrey Kozlov or Nikolay Guirenko, who were killed for their defence of Russia.
I even couldn’t believe the author of the dirty blog was frank, and I was shocked with the thought it can be a very stupid provocation of some FSB officials or somebody like them. People, who think the evil can be discredited in such a way, risk to meet a new Azef.
READ ALL ABOUT IT!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic#Examples_of_moral_panics
Perhaps our hunches were correct afterall!
I live in an ex-soviet state and it is true that they copied a lot of western designs (without permission, most likely).
For instance, there is a soviet stereo amplifier that is an exact copy of a japanese amp. Therefore it had very good sound quality and is still valued today. They sell for something like $50, but are quite rare, and sound like an entry level western amp, which however are greatly overpriced around here at about $250.
That’s just sick.
(Not the cars, the Russophobe.)
ILYICH: So let’s see, ANDREY who says “stupid bitch” is just fine, but I am “insanely hateful” right? No wonder Russia is such a total failure if you are its champion! Solzhenitsyn was also banned, and Lermontov . . . does that mean they are also human garbage? Sure does . . . Russia killed Lermontov and sent Solzhenitsyn to the gulag. And you continue the same pathetic rhetoric to this very day, witness your own empty words.
BAD ASS: Upcoming? If you think so, why not go live there? Then you can live less than 60 years like average Russian man, and earn $300 per month average salary.
2 La Russophobe
Russia killed Lermontov.
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It’s shit. You’re stupid. You don’t know history and his biography. You always say lie. Why do you say lie? Where have you got that lie?
You’re out off your mind. Go to hospital) It’ll be better for you.
We do what we do because you always say lie. You’re redneck.
You can’t think. Thoughtfulness is not for you.
Lermontov was duellist so it was killed him….
2 La Russophobe
May be if you had possibility to watch russian TV I could see as Solzhenitsyn supported Putin….
2 La Russophobe
May be if you had possibility to watch russian TV You could see as Solzhenitsyn supported Putin….
I am starting to think that LR dooesn’t know anyone except soljenicin and lermontov.
She has to know about Pushkin, and his bloody (native-russian fo` sho`) murderer, Georges-Charles d’Anthès, the Fag Baron.
It’s not true about Concord plane. Soviet constructor created TU-144 plane, which had fallen on the airshow in France, I suppose. It was shown at the same time when Concord was!
Concorde first take off was after 2 month after Tu-144 first take off.
REPLY TO COMMENT 17 (La Russophobe)
Did you know that “ROSOBORONEXPORT” and M.Kalashnikov tried to solve this problem using the UNO organization (in New York)? The Uncle Sam didn’t heard it… So as “Arsenal”, Bulgaria.
I am La Russophobe and I say: Putin is alien from galactic “zidron 7″ and Rasputin with Lenin help him to rule Russia!:)
2 4emist
La Rus… doesn’t know anything about soljenicin and lermontov also.
2 4emist
La Rus.. is pipiska
2 Andrey “pipiska”
lol! Она хоть по русски шарит?
2 Dance’n'kill
:) 
!!!! It is great!! Кстати,кто нибудь читает сайт LR?
нет! там столько говна- даже нам не разгрести его
||oxoDy ETA ||u3Da CBALuLa, 9| EE CDELAL )))
В следующий раз надо делать специальную тему и она будет называться “срать на La Rusophobe”! И еще: на ее сайте уже самое прямое обсирание русских!!
Там есть тема,которая называется “Russia in 2050 year” и фотка,на которой грязь и лачуга!
Удивительно, как с шитым белыми нитками розенберговским двуличием можно призывать “прикончить эту сраную страну” и тут же “помогать её освободителям”! Я, признаться, в какой-то момент с ужасом предположил, что это очень глупая эфэсбэшная провокация, и подумал: “Ребята рискуют получить своего Азефа”. Такое дерьмо разводить не стоит даже для того, чтобы окунуть в него “оппозиционеров”.
The mark ARO 641 is bad, ARO 461 is right.
По поводу Ту-144. Зайдите на ависим.ру и скачайте два фильма по Ту-144 (один советский и один российский). Там среди прочего весьма понятно для далеких от авиации людей показаны различия Конкорда и Ту-144. К сожалению, фильмы весьма объемные.
For those of you who wish to know more about Tu-144: visit aviasim.ru and download two movies about it. One is from soviet times, the other one is made more recently. You’ll find a differense between USR and Russian points of view, also, the second movie explains, in really simplified terms, the differense between those 2 aircraft.
Best regards,
ARO was a Romanian trademark - i think they closed now (financial collapse)
ARO got bought upon privatization by some shady american characters that practically dismantled the whole factory and transferred production to South America under the name Cross Lander. In the 80s ARO was creating awesome SUVs (for that time) and even had a winning car if I’m not mistaken in the Paris Dakar race in the early 80s.
Yes, that first car is a GAZ replica, but I think it was built under license.
I own a zhiguli,( exactly the same picture of the Fiat 124 but yellow) it is 25 years old, and it has managed the worst of the third world ( floods, roads, loads), now i have a Honda too, Mitsubishi etc, but, Zhiguli has the most important place in my parking zone. Others are for good roads, Zhiguli is for ever.
Not one of you mentioned the Chaika.
It’s a 1958 Packard!
I think you must mean a 1956 Packard. The 1958 Packard was just a glorified Studebaker…
to “la russophobe”
At 1920’s and 30’s GAZ was built under official Ford lisence.
Gaz M20 ‘Pobieda’ from 1948 has completly new-design body and technical parts from the GAZ M1 from 1943 - and it’s Russian (soviet) construction.
Fiat 124 and ZAZ - somebody wrote earlier.
Gaz 69 - it’s also soviet construction, and ARO - this model is Muscel named - is Romanian car. Gaz 69 and this ARO only looks similar. ARO was built under soviet lisence, but Romanian engineers built completly new undercarriage and engine and improved the body. If you take a Gaz 69 And ARO Muscel the only parts which are the same, are front fenders and engine hood - really!
If you want’s to find cars which are copies in fact (improved copies ]:-> ), check soviet 6×6 truck ZiS 151 and american Studebaker U.S. 6
The car was from ARO factory, Campulung Muscel, Arges, Romania.
ARO was first. And it is from Romania. It is a famous 4×4 car.
bullshit, ARO was made under licence, as well as Dacia is Renault. May be Chepel-Ponnonia motorcycles were original constructions.
GAZ-69 is actually replica of 3/4 ton Dodge and yes, ARO copied GAZ. there are a lot more copied cars, Zil 110(Packard), Moskvich 2141(Talbot), for example and even tanks(BT series) and planes(Li-2 comes into mind but this was made under licence)
But it’s all right now,
(in fact it’s a GAZ?)
Latest news item I heard, re: one automaker owning another? FIAT and “Crisisler” are discussing a take-over. So the next FIAT-licensed minivan made in Eastern Europe just might have some Plymouth parts. Should you care? Should we? I have owned a few Chrysler-Corp vehicles that were pretty well hammered (but not yet sickled) when I bought them. The Slant-6 engine they used to make–just might last forever. The Torqueflite® model A727 automatic transmission was nearly bulletproof, too (and I am not, as a rule, fond of automatics).
More recently, the Chrysler 2.2-liter 4-holer (middle 1980s) was no hot-rod unless you have the right shoehorn and an Invalidka body. But, unlike most popular OHC engines, if your 2.2-Chrysler has a timing-belt failure, you will only need a new timing belt. Unfortunately, we in the U.S.A. have all these faceless, non-engineer, non-mechanics making laws our national-legislators want (but not with their names on them). So many of our GOOD cars and small trucks can’t be made HERE any more, because some college-boy who majored in ceramics thinks they’re bad for the planet. So I hope they can still serve somebody.
Before GM stood for Government Motors, it dropped the Oldsmobile brand–spitting on its corporate history. That was not the same as Chrysler ditching the Plymouth name, when for every Dodge there was a Plymouth clone for decades. But (just my opinion, and I know what opinions are like) If I ever learn of a new Russian Oldsmobile or a new Russian Plymouth, I will applaud. If GM is commanded to get rid of Hummer® or its other monster station-wagons, I hope some smart Russian or Chinese buys the tooling and the names. Our own Workers-Party will be too busy blaming their plight on George Bush to notice. Best regards.
That Model-A knockoff, the Gaz-AA (?) looks to have been designed better. With the crappy mud roads of the era duel rear tires were a damned good idea. Was the transmission and engine beefed up? I’ll have to research it, just curious if other designs were improved upon.
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Ha ha! I’m English, and I always find it funny when Americans get wound up! They think they know everything about everything. How can they comment on Russia? Most Americans don’t even have a passport! Most people I know have been to at least three or four countries, but wouldn’t comment on the culture of somewhere they’ve never been!!!
The connection between GAZ and Ford is fairly well known. The USSR was looking to start producing cars, and so they took competing bids for a factory, parts and cars from Chevrolet and Ford. Ford won the contract, and built the GAZ factory for them under contract. The actual construction firm who designed it was also American, but the name escapes me right now. Initially, the built the Model A, the AA truck, and later the newer Model B. However, the Russians later modified the cars to suit Russian road conditions and cold temperatures as the Fords were not well insulated from the cold. Sadly, many Americans came over as technical assistants for the GAZ factory. Most of them were later killed in the Gulag system when they no longer served the purposes of Stalin’s government. The American Government abandoned them there and did nothing to help their plight. He US ambassador was complicit in this as he was being bribed with art work confiscated from previously wealthy Russians who had since become non-persons. There were also US POW’s that had been “liberated” from German camps by the Red Army who were sent to their deaths in the gulag. In all, it is estimated that 30,000-50,000 Americans died in the Gulag. The history of this is both interesting and tragic, and well worth reading about. Just remember to never trust your government no matter which government it is. Politicians never have your best interest at heart and do not care about you.
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