Moscow, Police and People
On Saturday November 4th, 2006 there was some civil disorder in centre of Moscow.
This day is some sort of Russia holiday devoted to some historical events of liberation of Russia from Polish and Swedish occupation back in medieval times.
So there were group of people who wanted to express their opinion about liberation of Russia nowadays from ethnic groups they consider to be enemies now occupying Russia.
Moscow authorities banned this events so everybody expressing his attitude on Saturday in the centre of Moscow were arrested.
You can see some photos from this event.
People were taken from streets. Some witnesses say that anybody could be caught even without participating in expressing opinion action.
Moscow Police is not shy of the cameras.
Some streets were totally blocked.
She also participated.
Young guys in Russian police uniform are not very happy doing this. But order is order.
Numerous army trucks were found on Saturday in centre of Moscow.
And regular army entered the city too. In Russia army is compulsory for every guy at age eighteen, so no surprise that soldiers look so different.
This look like an attack.
Impossible to hide from all-seeing-eye of Moscow police.
This line is not for some exotic shop, it’s people being caught on the street are now are being put into a truck and transported to police office. There they would get a clarification that it’s not a best thing in Russia to violate a prohibition of expressing their opinion. If it is forbidden to express the opinion - you should not do it.
Army soldiers were also blocking streets.
No trespassing!
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yet i don’t understand how some russians can turn far right and even shout heil hitler as exactly one year ago on november 4th. it’s strange to see young people shouting nazi slogans while it’s quite possible that their grandfathers were fighting against nazism. twisted world, really….
Looks like some guys are going to spend their weekend in the prison…
Admin is once again distorting and abusing the facts…
The good thing is that this “Russki March” wasn’t allowed by the authorities (at least in Moscow) and its organisers failed to attract any significant number of people (only about a 1000 turned up).
admin of this site obviously doesnt know much about current russian holidays. he writes: “some sort of Russia holiday”. only one look at the newspapers could give him information that it is “national unity day” (день народного единства). more here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_Day_%28Russia%29
DRE: You are mistaken (or simply lying). Nearly 2,000 fascists marched, and only about 500 anti-fascists showed up to protest against them. The fascists were led by Belov, the anti-fascists by Gannushkina. What’s more, the whole purpose of this holiday (which 92% of Russians can’t identify) is “national unity” — only a Soviet moron could think unity can be achieved by banning demonstrations, and in fact the authorities obviously do not have any power over the fascists, since they marched anyway. If you think that your rationalizations and propaganda show that Russia is making progress, that is really pathetic and clear proof of how dire Russia’s current situation really is.
KATJUSHA: The BBC has reported that 92% of Russians have no idea what this holiday is about, so the author of this blog is in fine company. Instead of condemning the fascists, like a classic neo-Soviet you condemn the person who condemns the fascists. No wonder Russia is such a basket case! “Pride goeth before a fall.”
I wonder how long it will be before these police start seizing the cameras of people who try to take pictures like these, and how long before taking pictures can get you thrown in prison. If it happened, would Russians stand up and stop it?
I wonder how long it will be before these police start breaking into people’s homes and hauling people off to prison before any such events occur, claiming they are “about to start trouble.” Perhaps Garry Kasparov will be one of the first ones they grab.
Well I don`t understand what do you want to show? When some nazis are beating peole - it`s bad. And when a lot of nazis come to the center of town and shout that they want all not russians to leave - its good.
Last picture is great!!! “Supermen want to fly” or “Power of ten soldiers”!
La Russophobe: everyone has idea what this holiday is about! All TV programs speak abot this holiday! I live in Russia and i know!
ciuvak, ja smotriu u tebia opilki v golove, ne pozor naciju
I have always been fascinated about Russia and in my youth, the Soviet Union, as a huge mysterious country that I would love to someday see for myself. As an American, I feared one day there might be war between our countries. Today I am delighted we have better relations and have met many wonderful people here, who have come from Ukraine or Russia. I could listen to their stories for hours.
If any people know the meaning of surviving hardships it is in your part of the world.
Love this website! Whether true, false or somewhere in between, it’s great to see the pics and read the posts!
Perhaps ‘La Russophobe’ would be more authoritative if she weren’t a prime example of bigotry and racism.
Wohoo! LaRussophobe showed up! C`mon, show some teeth!
Nobody knows about origins of this holiday because it was made up just a year ago to swap a 7th of november, so why wonder?
LMAO at the Russian people.
Heil Hitler!
Shut your mouth. Fucking rich American sucker. Why post “Heil Hitler”? I´m from Germany and to me it´s not very funny as you think it is.
And russia is a great country, you´ve never been there, so shut up. I hope other people understand my bad post.
seems like La RussofoP and admin the same person…some of you could discover it before. Really guys… just tired of this bullshit Bye
As a Russian I appreciate our police in this situation. They worked really well that day and prevented all possible fascists’ actions. People that were caught are miserable. They have no real education, they are from poor families, and they think that they can improve their standards of living by getting rid of different nationalities in Russia. They are not smart… if not to say that they are stupid mostly.
Any other country wants fascists to march on their streets? Or may demonstrations in the name of Ben Laden? Neither do we. I hope as standards of living are getting better we’ll have less people like that.
Oh, I forgot, Baltic countries are quite ok with nazi marching there, SS killers are heroes there and EU doesn’t care about it.
Just to add, as you can see, there was no problem to photo or video that. What I don’t like, is that EVERYONE who were arrested were set free on the next day. I really think that some of those nazi should be in prison to prevent others from actions like that.
You can’t keep them in for the rest of their lives for just marching. They have to commit some violent crime….but than again Russian judges would let them go anyways.
What I don’t like is that Russian’s fought so hard during WW2 against the Nazis’ because they understood it was a fight to the death. The Nazis never liked the slavic race and they never will. These people are unfortuanately not the uneducated people as you stated.
I have read in articles that these people work as engineers or business men.
They are educated, what is wrong with them is that they are filled with hate. Hate for thier lacking so they blame others. Nazis’s breed when people realise how easy it is to blame someone else for their problems.
owner of this blog is a moron.
the “”group of people who wanted to express their opinion”"
were nothing but group of nazi people who shouted nazi slogans (like RUSSIANS ARE COMING, or RUSSIA IS FOR RUSSIANS) and raised their hands in nazi salute.
And it’s surprised me that la_russophobe didn’t say anything about coward russians ,dostoevskiy and soljenicin. I’m amazed, really
But she could not help saing this: “Instead of condemning the fascists, like a classic neo-Soviet you
(katusha) condemn the person who condemns the fascists.”
As i can see Katusha condems the author. And author condems russian police forces who try to stop nazi march.
draw your conclusion…
I don’t know, should I be happy or sad.
Happy because our sick slovian nature is to be happy when our neighbor has bigger problem than we have.
Sad because it looks like some kind of illness.
I still cannot understand how it is possible that people from countries attacked by hitler’s army are able to scream ziegl hiegl (or whatever) and rise their arms in this special sign, and then claim that they are “nationalists” !!!
Do you know what was the answer when one of the polish politicians were caught in such pose by photographers? “I was ordering a beer”. 10 of them were ordering at the same time.
this is incredible how stupid our people can be.
2 La Russophobe
What do you have against Russian people? And why?
i agree this is terrible..
Hi, dear brainwashed Russian nationalist. Perhaps you could point out at least one concrete example of “SS killers” and nazis marching in our countries. All I see is drunk old commies waving their fucking red flags and drinking vodka on 9th of May and whatever other days they celebrate. You know, every year I see life getting better and better in my country; democracy and freedom working to provide rich soil for the growth of prosperity and a strong society; recovering from the effects of 50 years of criminal Soviet occupation. While Russians only seem to be capable of spouting meritless propaganda while watching their country going down the drain.
Don’t bother Flanger. She will not answer that.
But I wonder is she the admin of this site?
Am I the only one who believes that the majority of Russians’ are backwards people. And things like this only back that up. I have been to Moscow and St. Petersburg. The Russian’s are really nice-at least the ones I talked too-but they all seemed rather stupid. All complained about their living conditions. Which was rather silly seeing as to how they can improve their lives if they worked hard and smart.
These nationalists have no desire to work hard or be a benefactory to society. The Russian’s should all be offended by these people because every family in Russia lost one member or knew of someone that was murdered by the Nazis.
SHAME ON YOU RUSSIAN PEOPLE!
to pld
“All I see is drunk old commies waving their fucking red flags and drinking vodka on 9th of May and whatever other days they celebrate”
are you talking about our veterans who fought against Fashizm?
2 La Russophobe
You conduct absolutely unscrupulous policy. Say lies Much. That you speak all has no under yourself of the bases.
P.S.
You just stupid bitch.
You would need to fuck more what to not be such malicious and to not be engaged in any nonsense. À àhaa! I have understood! You nobody the necessary ugly creature on whom even at a pig will not rise;-)
With the best regards!!!
to pld
Estonia had established monuments in the name of SS.
People how were in SS now has status of veterans in all three Baltic countries.
About your democracy… how many millions of people have a status of “alien” in Baltic countries? They can’t vote simply because they had nationality “Russian” and people who are 70 or 80 years old, who lived all their live in the same place now have to pass exams(!!!) to become a real citizen. Yep, that’s great democracy.
For sure only a democratic country will change all Russian surnames! You can’t be “Ivanov” or “Petrov” or etc anymore. You’ll be… “IvanovS!” or “PetrovS”. This is a real democracy: we won’t give people who spoke Russian language a right to vote, a chance to study on national language, we’ll change their names… just because we are outnumber them (evil laugh here).
You guys really like letter “S”, probably SS is good for you in that way. Farewell.
you did exactly the same with them for the last 50 years!
to pld
You are Nazi already
Ever though about what happened after USSR collapsed? Everyone had USSR passports… but people with nationality “Russian” are still “aliens”. While everyone who had nationality “Estonian”, “Latvian” or “Lithuanian” got new passport immediately. It’s a real Nazi style of working. Yep, that’s a real democracy – a rule of the most numbered.
Oh… one more about Baltic countries.
Another part of their democracy policy was to arrest Russian WWII veterans and judge them for the “evil acts” and “occupation”! Yep, imprisoning 80s old people who were simply soldiers during war was a great moment for you countries. Sure.
You sir are so deluded and impregnated with propaganda that I’m actually amazed. Do you huff glue or is the neo-soviet Russian propaganda machine actually that powerful?
I mean, I can’t even answer to you, because your claims are so incredibly absurd. I’ll just address one vaguely intelligent point - about arresting “war veterans”. Actually, the people you have in mind were not “simply soldiers” but people who gave orders for mass deportations during the 1940s. You know, where TENS OF THOUSANDS of men, women and children were sent to die of malnourishment and cold in the wastelands of Siberia; some lucky ones were just shot on the spot. Such people were sentenced to death by hanging in the Nurenberg trials, here they get at most a few years in jail.
The ironic part is that you call me a nazi while seeming to condone people who sent other human beings to concentration camps en masse.
As I said, I won’t bother to reply to your other claims; no sense in attempting intelligent discussion with your kind.
P.S. I have to add that those allegedly repressed and outcast fellow Russians of yours in the Baltic countries seem to have no interest in returning to the glorious Fatherland even though the Great Leader has called upon them to do just that. Perhaps life’s not that bad in the fascist, nazi-infested ‘Pribaltika’?
So basically in Russia young men (the ones in gray uniforms and without guns) can be forced to do service in the “Militia” (Police) instead of the army? Some of them look very young and not even happy about being there.
Men,
Pictures like these could be taken on the streets of Budapest, Hungary.
Hungary is still fighting against the commies…
pld
From that I can only see:
1) You have nothing against people who are still “aliens”
2) SS monuments are acceptable for you
3) SS “veterans” marching on streets is a normal thing
4) Imprisoning WWII veterans is welcomed (though everyone in USSR suffered during Stalin’s times, not only Baltic. But only those 3 countries are judging and only Russian people. Or may be none of Baltic nationalities ever worked on government at that time?)
5) You have nothing against forcing people to change their names.
6) You really think that German nazi were 10 times better.
What propaganda are you talking about? Type any of those things in google and you’ll get to world news about it. You are just a blind (nazi or xenophobia is you way of thinking, choose what you like the most)
Main difference in Russia and Baltic countries in this situation is that Russian police PREVENTS fascists actions like that. And Baltic police PROTECTS fascists actions.
People, don’t bother with PLD - he represents a pathetic troll country (like the admin of this site) which was always (and still is) fascist in its nature, so no wonder they took the side of Nazis in WWII. USSR made a big mistake dealing with them. We have nothing in common with these “people”, so we should have as minimum connections with them as possible, and preferably get all Russians out of those countries and close the border.
LR: It’s just so hard to please you, isn’t it, woman? First you accuse Russia of racism and xenophobia, then you accuse its government of banning the racist “Russki March”?? You’re contradicting yourself… again!
There was no march, it’s been banned by the authorities. Those who didn’t agree were taken by the police, as shown on these photos. 1000 or 2000, doesn’t matter, it was nowhere near to what the organizers had planned initially. So they failed and that’s good. And the authorities and the police made sure the situation was under control. Good job.
Pld has nothing to say on someone’s comment..
I have a feeling that the admin is a closet homosexual. He is taking all his anger and frustrations on bashing Russia and distorting the facts. Real “Pidor”.
Some questions:
1. Why don’t their uniforms match? (even the guys in blue have different camo- patterns, and BLUE CAMOFLAUGE? when does one ever need to hide in BLUE forests anyway?).
2. Is “OMOH” (Omon?) an acronym for something? (Organizatsiya Militarya. . . ?)
3. Can “La Russophobe” explain to me why Putin’s government stops the fascist demonstration if Putin is himself a fascist?
4. Can you provide the name, address, phone number, email address of the cute female “soldier” in the 5th picture?
Oh, hi dRE. I was starting to miss you and your amusing comments already.
As I’ve already hinted, most people of Russian origin don’t want to go anywhere from here. The standard of life is at least double that of Russia, no wonder. You’ll protest that fact, I’m sure, but try looking up official statistics of UN, IMF, US government, EU instead of propaganda materials for a change.
Luckily nobody has the ambitions to close down borders besides brainwashed and narrow-minded individuals such as you. But I happen to know that there are intelligent, cosmopolitan Russians who wish to visit our countries, conduct business, study in universities. I myself would like to visit St. Petersburg again sometime soon. Sad that your kind drag down the reputation of the whole Russian population.
Oh, and nice arguments! You people really know how to give substance and weight to a discussion:
- “I have a feeling that the admin is a closet homosexual”
- “You just stupid bitch. You would need to fuck more /—/ You nobody the necessary ugly creature on whom even at a pig will not rise”
someone, I’ll answer to you, because you made such a nice list. Please answer to me too; my questions are marked in bold.
1) No country in the world lets foreigners flock in and grants them citizenship automatically. Why doesn’t Russia give citizenship to Chinese coming over the borders in the Russian Far East?
2) Don’t know any SS monuments in Baltic countries. Please give an example from a reputable news source. Though I’m sad to say that there are still some monuments displaying Soviet symbolics. Hopefully they are removed soon. A statue of a soldier in Red Army uniform is just as bad as a statue of a soldier in Wehrmacht or SS uniform.
3) Waffen-SS veterans have the same right to march as Red Army veterans in a democratic country. Both were used as tools for oppressive, criminal regimes. Look up Nürnberg trials, regular Waffen-SS soldiers were aquitted of any crimes - they were just that, simple soldiers.
4) I already answered that, it’s not war veterans, and it’s not only Russians. Local people committed atrocities as well. Yes, I believe that people should be tried in court for crimes against humanity. Do you believe that criminals should not be punished for crimes against humanity?
5) Absolute rubbish. Please give an example from a reputable news source.
6) Absolute rubbish. Please give an example from a reputable news source.
To “pld” and other ignorant Jello-like organisms that post on this website:
There is no point of having an intelligent discussions here. I’ve tried in the past, so as other people, but the descriptions and explanations on this site still remain infantile and contain a great amount of slander with malicious intent. So the only thing left to do here is look at all the pictures and videos, and call the webmaster a closet fag.
Speaking of people from Russia not wanting to leave United States. I happen to know lots of people who do not want to live in US, and also know 7 people that went back to Russia to a better jobs. I also know 2 American lawyers than went working in Moscow, and said that they would not want to return to United States. May be “the Russian Rednecks” who have nothing to go back to would love to stay in US and never look back. But many educated and intelligent Russians would love to go back to Russia. It is their home, and home is not all about financial stability and great restaurant service, it is also about state of mind and social interaction.
U.S. does provide a good quality of life from financial point of view, and there are tons of other great things about America. But, don’t be ignorant and call this country the greatest in the world.
to Pld.
example for question № 5 about changing russian names
this is news from russian first central tv channel
http://www.1tv.ru/owa/win/ort6_main.main?p_news_title_id=92652&p_news_razdel_id=9
this is from some news site
http://www.km.ru/magazin/view.asp?id=5512423E38BC4D3C993E0D42344B0ABC
“There is no point of having an intelligent discussions here.”
–AGREED!! that’s why from now on I will only have silly discussions. Let the madness prevail.
(I am still waiting for answers to my questions, particularly, number 4)
Да и вообще. Заебали эти англо-саксы со своими “умными” высказываниями. Не хрена не знают и лезут в жопу без мыла.
To pld:
Okay, life in your great baltic democratic european free-of-soviet-rule countries is perfect, why do you even bother coming to sites about Russia and leaving your useless comments on how much do you hate the russians? Isn’t raising above our level the most smart thing to do, as you’re claiming to be more than we are?
And one more thing - regims in Russia may have always been unsuitable for one or other group of people, but the russians as nationality remained one of the strongest in the world, if not the strongest one, despite all of the military and political failures, if it wasn’t for Russia, most of the world would be in slavery camps now, and the rest would be drinking beer, learning german and eating wursts or whatever.
so to sum it up
russia>*
I’d like to say a word as well. I am Russian and here’s my opinion. It is importatnt not who participated in this meeting, but what were the actions of police. Russia is a police state. It’s always so if you are in the opposition to the government either you are a nashionalist, communist or soicial-democrat. During such demostrations policeman act like zombies. They do what they are told. They don’t think why they do it and whether they should do it. Nevertheless we shouldn’t stop fighting against such “democracy”.
Gina you are an idiot. Russia is a great country for the CIS. Other than that Russia sucks. Living with money if i had to choose btwn mexico or russia. I would choose mexico due to the beaches and ancient history. Russia wouldn’t come close.
Russia is land full of beggers and drunks. Thankfully the Russian people are stupid. They will die out in a hundred years because they don’t have children. YAY die RUSSIANS!!;)
Is anyone else reminded of Half-life 2 when they look at these pictures? I am. Especially when looking at the pictures no. 9 and 14. The cops look like the combine soldiers and the buildings in the background look like the ones in the game as well. Life imitating art?
We’re russians never die. It could be understood from our history.
We have rich history and culture.
We’ll rock every enemies.
AntiRus, La Russophobe where are you live?
Is anyone else reminded of Half-life 2 when they look at these pictures? I am. Especially when looking at the pictures no. 9 and 14. The cops look like the combine soldiers and the buildings in the background look like the ones in the game as well. Life imitating art?
don’t forget about posters on buildings on russian language and broken russian cars in some levels ;)))
PLD: Glad you’ve missed me… I really can’t say the same about you. But I am glad you’re not denying the fascist nature of the Baltic countries.
And NO, Waffen-SS veterans DO NOT have the right to march as Red Army veterans do. It’s forbidden in most (if not all) DEMOCRATIC countries (unlike the Baltic states). Europeans at least tried to fight the Nazis (although some took their side), and surely they will never accept SS veterans on their streets. It happens only in Baltic countries which is a fact!
Shiiaate, I just realized that PLD writes exactly like La Russophobe…
You fogot write that was NAZI march!
don’t know about Latvia, but NO SS MARCH HAS EVER TAKEN PLACE in free Estonia.
the closest thing to that was some stupid bitch from a volunteer organization who put a swastika in her ear (and was kicked out of there for that).
to PLD
This is a random news about Estonia establishing momunemnt in the name of SS (on Russian).
http://www.rg.ru/2005/10/17/esstonia.html (on Russian)
Use google or anything else. Use keywords:
“estonia SS memorial”
http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20061023/020998.html
http://www.ncsj.org/AuxPages/082404JTA_SS.shtml
…
What’s more, it’s SS memorial, exactly SS, not for Estonian soldiers or something. Baltic countries welcome nazi soldiers no matter what, just because they hate Russian people.
to PLD
1) No country in the world lets foreigners flock in and grants them citizenship automatically. Why doesn’t Russia give citizenship to Chinese coming over the borders in the Russian Far East?
They lived there all their life! They didn’t come there AFTER USSER collapsed, they lived there for 10s of years BEFORE. And people with nationality “Russian” were called “aliens”, while others got new passports.
2 Andrey
I live in Chicago, IL USA.
Where do you live?
AntiRus, I think he means your *exact* adress, so he could send you anthrax letter or something…
damn, Kane, can’t you read properly?
quote: В поселке Лагеди под Таллином был открыт памятник эстонцам, воевавшим во Второй мировой войне на стороне фашистской Германии, в том числе в составе 20-й дивизии СС.
This is a memorial for fallen soldiers, not SS. No point of arguing here, because I live here and I know, so stop believing in Russian (as in Russian state) propaganda.
So, I still haven’t gotten decent answers to my questions. I don’t consider Russian news sources to be ‘reputable’, because Russia does not have practical freedom of speech. I had BBC, Reuters and the likes in mind.
Oh yes, the ‘Estonian SS monument’. This is a godsend, a lucious piece of meat to chew on till eternity for Russian propaganda. So let me tell you the truth about it. This monument was erected by a small group of people who raised money and ordered the statue. I’ll translate the caption - it says: “To Estonian men who fought against bolschevism and for restoration of independence in 1940-1945″. Nothing about glorifying the Waffen-SS. Kane claims that “it’s SS memorial, exactly SS, not for Estonian soldiers or something”. WRONG. It’s exactly for Estonian soldiers; who unfortunately had NO CHOICE but to fight in Waffen-SS uniform, because the Red Army had OCCUPIED Estonia in 1940 and naturally abolished Estonian army. These men sincerely believed that they were fighting for their country’s independence. Now, it’s unfortunate and ignorant that the Waffen-SS uniform was depicted on the statue, not to mention illegal and the statue was removed in a police operation a long time ago.
Nobody here seems to mind that there is a statue of a Red Army soldier, in Red Army uniform in the center of Tallinn, capital of Estonia. So here is another question, though I don’t expect this one to be answered either: Do you believe that one criminal, oppressive, sadistic regime (Soviet Union) is acceptable and worth remembering while the other (Third Reich) is not? I personally believe they both should be condemned, and display of their symbols be illegal outside museums.
I’ll reiterate what I said before. Look up the Nürnberg process. Waffen-SS vets of Baltic countries were aquitted of any crimes, it was recognized that they were trying to fight for their independence, and they have any right to march on the street just like Red Army veterans. That’s what DEMOCRACY is about, not selective freedoms for certain groups of people. dRE, you don’t know what democracy means. Which is a shame.
I have never claimed to hate Russians, in fact, I have known many smart and friendly Russian people throughout my life. Another example of you nationalists living in a black-and-white delusional world where you generate your own truths and believe in them whole-heartedly.
I have Russians friends and they are all nice and intelligent. They even complain about how stupid Russian’s are sometimes. I really have nothing wrong with Russian’s, my fiance is a Russian. She is really beautiful and that wouldn’t be because she is Russian. Women everywhere around the world are intelligent and not just because they come from Russia.
I’m saddened that the nation that lost the most people from the Nazis, are now Nazis sympathizers. It is really pathetic and shameful to not only thier background, but to the older generaion that fought against the Nazis.
I bet if the older generation had a little bit more youth to them they would go to the streets and beat the shit out of these stupid Nazis.
BLOODMAN (#47):
You wrote:
I’d like to say a word as well. I am Russian and here’s my opinion. It is importatnt not who participated in this meeting, but what were the actions of police. Russia is a police state. It’s always so if you are in the opposition to the government either you are a nashionalist, communist or soicial-democrat. During such demostrations policeman act like zombies. They do what they are told. They don’t think why they do it and whether they should do it. Nevertheless we shouldn’t stop fighting against such “democracy”.
You, sir, are a true Russian hero, a patriot and the only hope your country has for survival. Your country needs you now, so move to her defense! If there are more like you, there may be a small glimmer of hope for Russia’s future. Pozdravlayau!
I believe that complete freedom of speech is essential; the Russian authorities should not have stopped people from going on the street and protesting as long as there was no violence. Stopping them only creates media attention to their cause.
I disagree with the people protesting on the other hand, their claims are racist.
to AntiRus
you wrote: >I have Russians friends and they are all nice and intelligent. They even complain about how stupid Russian’s are sometimes
Don’t you think those rather stupid things to say , to show that russian people are stupid.. Russians complain about how stupid are russians.. In every country, in every nation there are different people. Don’t you know any dumb people in your country? So let’s just not make russia the country of the stupidos..
to BLOODMAN
you wrote: During such demostrations policeman act like zombies. They do what they are told. They don’t think why they do it and whether they should do it.
I’ll just say that, in common , if every policeman or armymen thought about orders that he has recieved and decide wether he should carry it out or not, or should he act different, there would be no army or police.
2 AntiRus
I’m from Moscow.
You say: I’m saddened that the nation that lost the most people from the Nazis, are now Nazis sympathizers. It is really pathetic and shameful to not only thier background, but to the older generaion that fought against the Nazis.
Do you thing it’s better then GULAG? Have you watched “Faringeit 9/11″? Who is native american? I think you should have a look at yourself and comment it.
It’s really ugly. But there are no lots of things like this. It’s social problem of capitalist country. It’s new problem for our. Coz it
was impossible for CCCP. While may be our government can’t resist it. I think it’s solution for time. But you (AntiRus), may be you don’t know Nazis are in USA also. And you have ugliest thing in your country. For instances: schoolboys shoot each other in schools, my friends who lived in USA told there were lots of people living in trailers, they were homeless, districts like Harlem.. Do you know smthg about reservations?
Tell me Who is bitterest enemy of muslims? Do you know Why it is?
Who is bitterest enemy of countries of South America?
Do you know that american people the fattest in the world? Why? )
PLD: The Soviet regime that you’re calling criminal and oppressive was under Stalin. I agree with you that it was comparable in its atrocities to the one of Third Reich’s. Most people in Russia think it was horrible. But Stalin didn’t rule for 70 years, so I definately disagree with you comparing the whole of USSR to Nazi Germany. They’re just not on the same line.
Today fact is - the way Baltic countries are treating normal Russians (NOT Red Army veterans) living there is just as oppressive as the regime you’re trying to condemn. And the only possible explanation of such treatment is - you just don’t like Russians, all of them, whether they fought in the Red Army or not. And such behavior is not acceptable in truly democratic countries, which the Baltic states do not represent.
It seems like all of Baltic countries have the inferiority complex of “little penises”. It’s like they have little penises so they are envious and oppress russian , they have larger and they are minority.
2 Andrey
Yes, I know about all that. And I also know that 20% of the people here have a standard of living that is not even comparable to what Russia has to offer for its 20%. Who earn the most money.
And saying that all Americans are fat would be a lie and I have seen an equal amount of Russian’s who were obese. Maybe you guys don’t call it obesity, but a beer belly? Or maybe a vodka belly?
I like to live in US there are many resources here the average person has compare to anywhere else. Most are just too stupid to take advantage of what they have.
2 AntiRus
It’s myth, that we are
Vodka belly? It’s smthng new what I’ve ever heard. : -)))
About bear belly and russian alchogolizm
russian made to say anecdote each other. ) But you should know germans
drink alchogol more then russian. One german drink alchogol >=200l per year. Russian do less then 100. It’s average statistics.
And also there is average statistics about the fattest country in the world. It’s USA. There is a film of an american good journalist about that. I dont remember the name. I can check. He told about american food system in schools, univers.. etc And Also what several people ate. It was of coz burgers and Colla. Is it our traditional food? We think It’s good?
About Vodka: It’s our nationality drinking and just we can drink it correctly). When our american colleagues were in Moscow we had a party. Just American wonted drink Vodka. It was terrible they got out of control wonted more and more…))) We had to help them to be in hotel.
I like living in Russia, there are lots of sightseeing, friends, good people, traditions, history, culture, enough resources, beautiful girls, lots of abilities, writers, painters.
When I was a child I was proud of my country. She’s the biggest in the world. And russian was first in space )))
“The Soviet regime that you’re calling criminal and oppressive was under Stalin”
That’s crap. Remember 1953, 1956 and 1968 when German, Hungarian and Czech aspirations of breaking free from occupation were violently drowned in blood? Remember GULAG? Political prisoners? Soviet Union was a criminal regime with no regard for any human rights throughout its grim history. This seems to continue in Russia today, luckily not in my country.
“Today fact is - the way Baltic countries are treating normal Russians … blah blah”
Yes, you’re proficient in pulling ‘facts’ out of your ass, yet I still haven’t received answers to my questions brought up in this thread. Let me give you a fact: most people of Russian origin in the Baltic countries are way better off than they would ever be in Russia. Yes, Russians or representatives of any other nationality will never get citizenship if they don’t even bother to learn the official language. Try waltzing in to Germany or France, demand to become a citizen, I wonder what will happen. I’m willing to bet that you will be ‘oppressed’ there as well. If your loyalty lies with Russia, go live in Russia. Don’t claim to be oh so persecuted and downtrodden. Another fact: the EU has found no wrongdoings regarding human rights in the Baltics. Of course, you’ll gleefully bash EU now as well and accuse them of supporting fascism. Go ahead, no point in stopping half-way on the path to complete ridicule.
And the penis size argument was another splendid example of the unparalleled intellect of Russian nationalists, well done.
2 pld About penises.
It wasn’t a argument it’s just visual observation. ))) If you sow it had been in inverted commas. Does it mean enythng? It was told figuratively and it doesn’t mean what you think)
It means you are illiteracy and see only that is on outside and don’t see things which is on inside.
LOL, harsh words about “illiteracy” from someone who can’t even spell right
If Baltic states have small cocks, then Russian state has a large cock but no working brain, as all the blood is drawn from the brain into the penis during erection
Probably that’s why you see so many people here from Russia acting like complete arseholes.
PLD: I wonder how you’d be talking if your Nazi friends won WWII? Really, that’s an interesting question! I mean, sure, Baltic states would get their freedom and independance much earlier than it happened under USSR. And you wouldn’t get oppressed all these years and thrown to concentration camps, etc., etc. Sure, you human rights would be very much protected under Nazis! I mean, your whole land would just be burned down with your people in it, and your place would be occupied by some proud Aryan. Yeah, hooray to that, let’s celebrate the heroism of Baltic SS-soldiers, fighting for independance of their countries! And hooray to EU for supporting that!
End of discussion.
2 hck
English isn’t my native language and it’s my third…
The speech wasn’t about cocks. You didn’t understand. The situation is
hypothetical. Your speach means you haven’t got any brain. You’ve never read any books.
They have such nice chicks in the police,
shit, where is the recruiting office,
i waaaaaaaaaaan in.
Yes Andrey, we understand that you tried to use a clever phallic metaphor … but instead made a fool of yourself. And hck went along with you and constructed a similar analogy … which sadly went over *your* head. Gee, I wonder who’s the one lacking a brain here?
dRE, you were trying so hard, so hard to be ironic. Quite a feeble attempt unfortunately; because one could replace ‘Nazi’ with ‘Soviet’, ‘SS soldiers’ with ‘Red Army soldiers’, etc. and the paragraph in question would not change in sarcastic effect.
I mean, is this the definition of hypocricy or what? A denizen of a country where Nazism is rampant, people wave swastika flags and almost epidemic killings of dark-skinned people mostly go unpunished accuses the Baltic states of symphathizing the SS.
2 pld Yes He went along so He’s like 12 years old child.
There is no epidemic killings of dark-skinned people, There were a couple of killing.It doesn’t mean epidemic. I think for you country it’s also true. Your mass-media doesn’t say it to you to make your sleep well. )
pld,? Are you from Poland?
Andrey, English is not my native language, either.
pld, save your breath, it’s not worth arguing with imbeciles, because, if you can read in Russian, try this: http://ds.ru/ss1.htm. A long read, but worth it. It’s sad though that idiots like Andrey or dRE, create a negative image of all Russians.
2 hck
Интересная статейка. )
Наш охранительно-агрессивный настрой ответ на такую же агррессвиную необразованность и самодурство). А мнение о стране сложно составить по людям пишущим в интеренете. не понятно кто за них тут пишет? )
Очень. очень интересная и смешная статейка )))
Sorry for writing it in English, because I’m not used to Russian layout and too lazy to use tools like translit.ru - if you answer me in Russian, I will understand though.
Anyway, isn’t this site supposed to be informative for foreigners to share their experience of Russia - and you can’t expect everyone to know all the nuances which may seem obvious to you? So why bitch and moan at them for not knowing things?
Since Russia is our neighbour, and we share a common history, we (in our country) need to know things which happen there. And what Russian government does, is creating a totally false image of its’ former territories to re-gain some kind of control over them. So the common people tend to “know” that Russians are considered “untermensch” in Baltic states, that Baltic governments are pro-nazi and anti-Russian (also because they are members of NATO and EU, US allies in Iraq and Afghanistan), etc etc. Luckily, most of the rest of the world does not buy this rubbish.
As far as I understand, most Russia’s problems are because suddenly, after collapse of USSR, the governmental control weakened, private property was re-introduced, etc - and when in (pre-Gorbachev) USSR nearly everything was under direct government control and people didn’t have to do much thinking by themselves, it created an illusion like “hey, government takes care of most of the things anyway, so we must not worry”, everything was standardized. One example - apart from some high-rank party members there were no rich people officially. In independent Russia people actually had to work and struggle for their own good and some people couldn’t cope with a new situation. It was the same here as well (former USSR). That’s why people tend to think of USSR as a nostalgic good memory - what they don’t understand is that the system was rotten to the core and was supposed to collapse anyway. And it’s damn hard sometimes to take a different approach, look at things from a different angle, whilst sadly thinking “why on Earth can’t we live on like we’re used to”.
What illustrates Russia’s relationships with other countries, especially former vassals - complete lack of empathy. Instead of understanding Russian government takes the crude bashing route. There can’t be a true and one and only point of view, truth is, there are different ones. Russians can’t see the historical events, let’s say Latvian or Lithuanian way, because aren’t Latvians or Lithuanians. Official Russian point of view is very black and white, like Bush’s - if you’re not with us (either as our territory or our ally somewhere far away like Cuba), you’re against us. Russian govt. point of view is something like “we’re a major mighty empire (maybe experiencing some temporary difficulties), you have to agree with us”. I wonder if GWB is Putin’s long-lost brother, actually.
? hck
То что ты пишешь, дешевая туфта. )
Не потому такая агрессия, что вы члены НАТО и ЕС…
Да просто знакомые есть. бежавшие из Прибалтики. из-за хорошего отношения там к русскому меньшинству…
И правительство поэтому так относится…
Look, my father is Russian, the first language I learnt was Russian and I have a Russian name. I didn’t get citizenship “by default”, it was given to me in a simplified manner in 1994 due to the fact I was learning in an Estonian school. All of this because none of my direct ancestors were citizens of pre-1940 republic. All that didn’t stop me to work in “native” (why it’s so important, anyway?) firms, well, wherever I wanted to work, never experienced any problems. So I should know better than you, it seems that your friends are pathetic moaners who seek excuse from anywhere else but themselves. Can’t start the business properly? Yes, ofcourse it’s because the evil natives are blocking your way because you’re Russian. Can’t get a job? Ofcourse it’s because you’re Russian, not because knowledge of native language is a BASIC REQUIREMENT at most job interviews. Et cetera. This kind of people probably catches the flu and blames it on the natives, too.
It appears that to “clinically opressed” Russians the “nationality” is far more important than to the so-called natives.
This is the typical excuse - blame everyone and everything else and not see your own mistakes.
2 hck
Жить там где ты живешь и учить эстонский - твой выбор. Так же как других, покинуть страну, сохранить свою самобытность, язык, не покоряться… Жить в своем государстве. Да к вопросу о работе. учебе. Полно в моем инстетуте училось людей из Эстонии, у меня есть среди них друзья. Так вот не хотят они обратно в Эстонию, заканчивают тут ВУЗы, находят работу так же просто. Возможностей тут больше, что очевидно. Моска!
If they are happy with their choice - good for them, really. People shouldn’t be made to live where they don’t want to live. And as far as I know, no one forces to live in Estonia or in Russia anyway. But speaking loads of crap about harassment etc, that’s just low. No one is trying to exterminate the Russian culture here, nor forbid the Russian language. Small catch of having Estonian citizenship - you *have* to know Estonian language. And since most of the population speaks Estonian, people who don’t undestand the language may find it difficult to get a job. If that’s “harassment”, then… well, I have no words.
One sad point is, that because of Stalin’s regime there are many places in eastern Estonia where most of people speak Russian. Not that Russian is bad or good, it’s just historical unfairness. Narva, for example. Before WW2 it was a city where most of people were either Estonian, Swedish or German. The city was completely destroyed during the war, then re-built and now 95% of people there speak Russian, because Soviet government did not allow its habitants to return, but instead sent some to Siberia, and… you get the idea. But it still is Estonian territory and it would be kind of absurd to create a special regime there, because Estonia itself is not that big and the population does not exceed 1.5mil; besides, Estonians have lived there for ages anyway.
As of me personally, although I have relatives in Russia, I consider Estonia my home. I actually like it here and I sincerely think that I have all the opportunities here that I need - I might live elsewhere for a while, but eventually return here. So far no one has been able to prove me wrong. You will probably never understand that, because you come from a different culture. But at least you could try to do it, without prejudice. For example, I don’t like nor agree with most of the things Russian government does, but I don’t think of Russia itself as a barbaric or hostile country. Most of tensions are very artificial anyway.
So now you gotta see russian SOBR!
You will like it.
Андрей, у меня тоже очень много друзей в Эстонии и большинство из них хочет оттуда уехать из-за скотского отношения к русским.
photoshop for rever
What a terrible site! I thought I could find here something interesing and I was pleased when I knew that there exists a foreign website about my country… But now I see it would be better if it would not exist. Only shit and rusophobia everywhere.
“She also participated”
Borat influenced reporting?
that is hurt ful
y would anybody do that
Russia suck
No, Hungary fights, but not against commies. MSZP can be anything, but surely not socialist, and not communist.
Yes i like russian omon
These are fascists! The police did a great job stopping this riot.
yeah fascists should burn, and who the fuck is saying heil hitler. your kind disgust me why are you even looking at websites like this!? just keep it to yourself and your own revolting kind. russia is possibly the most beautiful country in the world, who are you to disrepect it!?