The Mig Factory
Russian MIGs are the most famous Russian jets.
They were in production since 1959. They become true legend of Russian aviation and were exported to many countries.
Sometimes they were used to fight against American or French jet fighters like in Vietnam or in Israel.
Mig factory was always top secret place during the Soviet Times. Such photos like we are having here today were impossible to make or publish at that times. But not now.
So this is how Russian legend is being born.
photos by strizhi.info
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junk, wouldn’t survive 2 minutes against F-16, let alone F22
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Sometimes it pays off to be a smart ass!
First, nowdays missiles have more important role than planes, if your missile has bigger range, and you have AWACS support the other one is going down.
Second, if F-16 and MiG-29 would combat in real dogfight, not with 70km range fire and forget misssiles (Where you have to take too much things in account to calculate the winner), F-16 would go down in 70% of the encounters. (I assume that pilots have same level of experience).
While practicing in Germany (after the fall of the Berlin wall of course), 29 achieved lock on much much easier than F16.
Americans (NATO) just get used to attack countries who have few MiG-29s with six or seven hundred fourth generation fighters (F16 included)with AWACS support and then, when they shut down 29, they brag like they shut down SU-47 in the heart of Russia.
What you say about the Mig 29 has much merit. It is an incredible maneuverable aircraft with an immense weapon capability, however, It would be foolish to assume that pilots have equal ability, experience and training. Russia has produced incredible war machines since the great patriotic war (the Su-35 Platypus being my personal favorite) that are reliable and soldier proof but it seems that when their machines are put against the opposing Western fighters in the numerous wars and skirmishes since the introduction of the mass produced jet aircraft they have not done as well as may have been desired. I don’t think this is the machine’s fault but that of the pilots and commanders of them. In general pilots of these nations have not had the extensive (expensive) training that those in Western aircraft users have gone through. This makes a huge difference in dog fights and other encounters. My evidence for this is the skirmish in Vietnam where the United States, depending on one’s source, shot down Migs at a rate of roughly 11 to 1. Other evidence can be drawn from the many conflicts between the Arabs and Israelis where the Western supplied Israelis completely dominated the Russian equipped Arabs. Another would be the more recent problem in Iraq. Again I do not fault the aircraft for their defeat rather the lack of training for their crews and commanders and the tactics used. It would be interesting to see a match-up of the opposing aircraft where the pilots and commanders have had equal experience and training.
Partially correct on the kill ratio:
Kill ratio in Korea: 12 to 1
Kill ratio in Vietnam: 3 to 1
Dummy, have you seen F22 conopy being cut down in VA by
firefighters in VA a year ago when pitot has been trapped in the plane. Lockheed answer was: call firefighters.
Conopy cost ca. $200k. I’ve seen pics at abovetopsecret.
firefighters cutting conopy with the saw.
Hey smart, have you seen F22 conopy being cut down in VA by
firefighters in VA a year ago when pilot has been trapped in the plane. Lockheed answer was: call firefighters.
Conopy cost ca. $200k. I’ve seen pics at abovetopsecret.
firefighters cutting conopy with the saw in the post on
above top secret. I’ve made great plane with bad lock
release, what about ejecting pilot in such case. Also
latest F-16 made for Poland have lot of crappy problems.
Cables are burning, radar and refueling in the air not
working. What about B-2 crash in Guam, almost 2 billion
gone in smoke.
Yeah, well, now that the United States of Obama Politically Correct Lunacy has scrapped the F22, I for one want to go run the IT dept. at Sukhoi.
Rogue Bolo
The one before the last.
Cool jets, ive seen one at a uk airshiows and there awesome.
I believe that MiG started sometime around 1940 not 1959 and around 1947 they started producing jets.
Yeah, MiG-3 fighters participated in WWII, so the company was obviously started earlier. And the plane in the pictures is a MiG-29, and those haven’t been around since 1959, either.
wrong.
MiG started even Before WWII.
and not: this not last, and not even rel recent model(but photo fresh)
they improme its in wrong direction:competing with Su entercaptors badly hurt Mig ligh planes capability as frontline fighter.
just imagine, suddenly, F35 creators, decide to “upgrade” it to F22 capablilty level. dumb and pointless.
better finism 31BM fine, which is more fullfil this gap.
especially with modern, 400km-range, missiles and new generations of guided and unguided Air-Go-Ground weaponry.
Your speakage hurts my brain…
This is a hidden advert of “Neo Immunelle” :))
No comments to this post, but I like the new EnglishЯussia headline.
Yes - the new banner EnglishЯussia rocks!!
In russian the backwards R is an A.Россия-Russia.
Maybe you already knew that when you reversed your R with a translator.
Your poor knowledge of Russian hurts my brain….
The backwards R is Я and that is the last letter in russian alphabet. It sounds like “ya”.
Excuse me,I am still learning the Russian alphabet and language from the ruska married to me:)
Mig and suckhoi are the Best of the Best
what new headline ?
“ngnix error …” from monitoring MITM Gov station ?
i like it too.
for years.
and your mom wouldn’t survive 2 minutes against my cock, let alone if it was erect
MIG such a crappy aircraft, rightly dubbed flying coffin by the press.
No - it wasn’t.
That’s why it’s so widely used around the world. I recommend downloading a brain patch for your empty head, otherwise you make people from India sound dumb and retarded.
mig or pig who gives a damm
Israel had fuck off hundreds of those crappy Russian jets in hours in the six days war
ISRAEL RULES
Israel destroyed 85% percent of the aircrafts ON THE GROUND, in the dawn of the 5. June 1967, in the pre emptive air strike. Egyptians were so damn genius not to turn on their radars and pay more antention to air defense before official declaration of war from their side. Only I can say is that Arabs are not made for modern warfare.
Also one year before the six day war, one of the Iraqi pilots defected to Israel with MiG-21F-13 compromising the tech to Israelis.
I WOULD ALSO RULE IF USA WOULD FINANCE ME!
mig or pig who gives a damm?
Israel had fuck off hundreds of those crappy Russian jets in hours in the six days war
ISRAEL RULES
The MIG-29 UB,code name (Fulcrum) would not be complete without the red stars on the tail fins!
These photos bring back fond memories of when my good friend Putin gave me a tour of this facility to impress upon me the high level of scientific research and exceptional engineering used to produce Russian weapons.
However, I was distracted by the four women you see in the third photo. They are, from left to right, Sofia, Natasha, Svetlana, and Irina. In the photo you see their usual method of production, which consists of Irina and Svetlana doing the work, under the supervision of Natasha, and watched by Sofia, who doesn’t have any technical or scientific training, but spends a lot of time in the factory manager’s office with the door locked in order to secure her job.
Each of the ladies were excited when Putin entered the factory – Irina and Svetlana for patriotic reasons—proud that Putin was re-arming Russia, Natasha for career advancement purposes—hoping Putin would be impressed by her managerial skill and send her to Sochi to help oversee Olympic Games preparation, and Sofia for reasons best understood when one looks at the photos of Putin while on vacation last summer, posing for the people on horseback without his shirt, his bare, muscular chest daring the western world to attack his beloved Motherland, and causing the birth rate in Russia to skyrocket over the next 10-12 months.
But then I entered the factory, and pandemonium broke loose. It was like a concert by Elvis, Michael Jackson (who dances much like me), or Englebert Humperdink. I thought I was going to have to jump inside one of the completed jets to escape from the clutches of the women! I knew Russian women were attracted to Persian men, but their lusty passion led them to claw at my clothing like an eagle snatching a fish from the water, and they pecked at me with their lips like mad chickens chasing bugs across the ground.
Yes - you can defintely see that they are lovers of the inheritor of the Peacock Throne.
Mr. Ahmedjinad,
I must confess your comments are one of the biggest reasons for me to visit this site
Thank you, my friend. Your comments are very refreshing.
Usually I have much more trouble getting “confessions” from people.
Hello my dear running mate Mr. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, These comments that you have made regarding the Russian MiG factory are precisely the types of comments which will cost you your seat in the elections. I am looking forward to seeing your defeated face in the upcoming elections. As you may have already noticed I have launched an extensive televised and highly publicized smear campaign against you. Thanks again for providing me with more dirt, saves me from having to do the digging.
In yer dreams, pal.
Rogue Bolo
No “FOD Kills”* signs around the production line.
*Foreign Object Debris (FOD)
Along with “Trains of Russia” this must be one of the most interesting posts. Stop arguing about MIG vs F-16 you morons, enjoy this amazing photo report (besides, it’s obvious that F-16 would win =)
What do you think of all the war games NATO had with former East German MIG29’s?
The pilots said that the MIGs were good aircraft, but “like tractors, in handling - compared with American planes; also only able to engage targets within about 5 miles because of their design” <- soviet doctrine was that air combat was to be directed from the ground radar only, hence such design.
In short, I think Mig-29’s are cool looking, but inadequate garbage compared to F-14s/F-15s/F-16s.
“inadequate garbage” and a quote from a moron that believes MIG-29’s handle like a tractor, there goes your credibility. A relative is responsible for much of the air force of one of the NATO countries. He would beg to differ.
Hm, both our opinions are influenced by 3rd party sources - neither of us is a pilot having tested the Mig-29.
So… why exactly “there goes my credibility”?
Yeah, ok, a relative of mine is responsible for overseeing most of the space-monsters and intergalactic space-robots. You sir, are either a shrieking teenage bonehead or just another typical angry russian angry moron, suffocating in his own shit.
OK, IANAP, (regretably, fucked up eyesight, or I would have been flying F-4’s in ‘Nam), but, F-16, I doubt it, barring unusual circumstances. F-14,18, all other things being equal, maybe,(30-50%,respectively), but F-22 or late-lamented F-23 and others, derivated, (sorry for vaguenes, but the boys and girlz at NSA, NASA, etc. will understand), “No Fucking Way”
Just talking interceptor here. Ground support, A-10, much less F-16, F-15, etc, and so on. win, hands down.
Keep up the good fight, Russians. I have no luv for the Evul Empire, but that’s ancient history, right?, and somebody got to keep the fucking Nazis in check.
Rogue Boli
Well done pics! is the reason for what am keep coming to this site.
Am a little curious, some pics depict the MiG-29 while others MiG-AT, but one apparently is the airframe of a Yak-141 (4th from bottom to top).
What is doing there?!
It’s not Yak-141 its MIG-31, probably the M version.
Spooker, I noticed that too. My guess is that they are Mig-31 fuselages. I didn’t realize Mig-31s were still in production. If that is the case, then for who and what for?
For Syria maybe.
Yes both are right is a MiG-31 the 3rd pic from bottom to top confirm your assertion.
i can not wait to see the 5th generation fighters of Russia!
Israel had wiped off hundreds of those migs in few hours during the six days war
(after all, it was hold by Arabs…..)
ISRAEL RULES!!!
Hezbulla had wiped off hundreds of Merkava in few days during the 2006 war. 700 vs 35000 jewish braves.
(after all, it was hold by jewish…..)
ISRAEL CAN’T SUSTAIN ITSELF WITHOUT OTHERS
As an American, I can verify this. Israel is just a puny country the size of Tennessee, they derive their entire existance from the benevolence of American taxpayers like us. It hasn’t worked out so well though, it seems we’ve helped create a nation of petty and childish jingoists obsessed with causing others pain and then mocking their pain. The party won’t last forever though, maybe another 20 years and they’ll be done as a nation, LOL.
It seems that neither can Hezbollah sustain itself without the financing and weapons supplied by Iran and Saudi Arabia.
Is that a yogurt at the third pic?
Ted from Ohio:
you wrong.
latest 29’s defeat md f-15, and F16&F35 counterpart.
F22 ? another matter. in this class and type - Su-37 comes to play and leave almost not chane to Raptor.
of course, with well trained pilot.
You’d think they would have installed decent lighting to a factory as important as this..
That’s communism and lack of workspace regulations for ya!
show me your intestines, baby!
i think i’m in love.
the cyrillic Я = pronouced ‘ya’. So try now pronouncing EnglishЯussia.
It should be EnglishRussЯ. Morons rule once again.
Nice post btw. I don’t know why there is a teddybear in pic #9, anybody ?
It is much easier to speak russian then to write it.
If the я = ya what does the и =?
That could be a misha bear from the 1980 Moscow olympics for good luck.
What do you think Kirov!
1959? I believe that’s wrong, for what I know the MiG started even before WWII, with the MiG-3 already in service by the time Germany invaded the USSR…
And it was actually during the war in Korea that MiG jets saw combat for the first time with the MiG-15 (A freacking awesome aircraft), being the the most advanced fighter aircraft in the conflict at the time of its introduction (though some American with a F-80 still managed the first jet to jet kill in history), and it remained superior in many aspects even after the famed F-86 (Some other really danmed nice aircraft too) entered the conflict, and while Chinesse and North Korean pilots didn’t had good enough training to match American pilots on their Sabres (Which is why the kill ratio favours the Sabre), the top aces of the war, and this is a fact, were Russian pilots posing as North Korean pilots, a single squadron of them raised an impressive kill reccord, proving that the MiG-15 was as good as the Sabre in the hands of a competent pilot, but anyway, but Soviet and Western efforts on aircraft building at the time were amazing :).
Nice pictures too :).
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Factory? No… looks more like these MiG’s are being refurbished, almost all parts look used: see pic #5, #6, #9 and especially #12. The only new part is in pic#4… They are however doing a very good job, replacing even all the rivets, see pic#18. At least good to see some people caring for these great aircraft!
I love thrust vector mig.no one can match his cobra maneuvers.Soviet Russian planes are the best in the world.Rough tough and Enough! ! !.
aaaAAAAAAA!!! RUSSIA BEST! RUSSIAN PLANES BEST!!
SO WHAT IF SOMETIMES WE FEED OUR CHILDREN SUGARED CATTLE FODDER BEFORE SCHOOL, BECAUSE WE ARE SO DIRT POOR,
WE CAN STILL PROBABLY MAYBE MAKE A COMPARABLE PLANE!
“inadequate garbage” and MIG-29 “handles like a tractor”, that does not sound like informed, credible opinion.
A military pilot uncle in a very high position is a much more credible source than the bullshit you got your opinion from.
A relative running a NATO air force, so most likely I’m not Russian.
“Russian”_NYC, I’ve been going to this site for a while and I’ve noticed your posts. I suggest you be careful with your “anonymity”, as you might piss someone off. I wouldn’t do this but there are some sensitive people out there that would get your IP or email from the admin (or another source) of this and other sites I’ve found your comments on and trace you down. I’ve learned not to write to people in a manner I wouldn’t use in person. And I guarantee you wouldn’t talk like this to me in person.
ooOOOO you told me!
What you’re doing is trying to impose your personal opinion. Why is it that my opinion is gotten from “bullshit” if it’s based on interviews of NATO pilots after test-flying Mig-29s.
How is your supposed pilot uncle’s opinion more valid than the opinions of several pilots giving their feedback?
By the way, your ‘uncle’ seems to be upgrading with each of your posts - so now he’s a military pilot? Are you at least going to promote him in your next post?
How do you know I wouldn’t “talk like this” to you in person?
In conclusion, please do your military-space-commander uncle a favor, and stick your needle-dick into a wall socket.
The mig-29 was a superior plane in many ways to the f-16 early models like the a&b.
The f-16c and d models are in current use and much better in many ways then the early f-16 I flew.
Lets be honest - ok? The Russians built and still do a damn good plane!! The real sad things was their inabiltity to produce parts to keep them all in “air-worthy” status much of the time and lack of pilot experiance in flight hour training.
Now that is a reasonable (and informed) opinion.
My uncle says the F-16’s are prima donnas while the MIG’s can be stored in a wood shed and flown off a country road =)
I believe “Russian_NYC” has good reasons for criticizing his own people (if he is indeed Russian) but he goes overboard most of the time.
http://blogs.technet.com/photos/gray_knowlton/images/2998979/original.aspx
Very good!!!
Exactly how I feel when I read most of your posts!!!
Tell us - do you really have any Russian blood running through your veins?? Inquiring minds want to know…..
My wife Tatyana says too many Russians in New York!!!!
Maybe we rename it Moscow on the Hudson???
Yes, friend, I’m 100% Russian.
Only dimwitted individuals would assume that:
since I criticize Russia -> therefore I must be either a jew or some Lithuanian guy. Unfortunately, the adjective ‘dimwitted’ characterizes most of modern russians.
Also, please stop pretending that you are a former F-16 pilot. I counted 2 misspellings in your last post alone, I’m not even mentioning the rest of your child-like posts. It’s OK to fly in your imagination (heck, you can even be a submarine commander!) but it’s futile to try to actually persuade people with your intelligence.
Fox one, fox two… bullshit.
I’m saving that. That was very good. I thought I was the only one suffering from that. he he
Also, Russian_NYC, it appears you are the epitome of the person portrayed in the comic.
I’ll take your word that you’re 100% Russian and won’t question your Russian Soul any longer, just as I believe Viperman that he flew F16’s. It’s not like he’s claiming that it’s snowing in Hell.
Clearly though, that comic is very applicable to you, but you don’t see it, you are too arrogant.
It’s not that Viperman and I want to correct you, I assume on his part, it’s just that we’re drawn to you in the same sense that many people are morbidly drawn to car wrecks. Can’t avoid staring and commenting. Also, we’re irritated by assholes like you who spout from behind the safety of their screens.
Let’s all play nice. Do you enjoy insulting others? Isn’t it a better feeling to make someone see the light? You’re not going to enlighten anyone by insulting them.
I can’t believe it, your link just described me replying to you 10 minutes ago. How embarrassing, I must show wife =)
Your uncle is half correct!!
The pilots of f-16’s are primma dionnas too with most having egos larger then their manhoods!!
Talk to a pilot of a A-10 and you can see a great difference!! Never flew one but always dreamed of it! Actually one of my best friends flew one during gulf war 1. Now, he is a stock broker in New York - not sure that career move worked out for the best!!!
ha! =)
Well, you definitely seem to have humility!!
Heck, I’ve only “flown” those things on my computer =)
BTW Have you played anything on the computer that even remotely resembles real F16 flight, or any other plane you’ve tried?
I’m a software developer, I wish I could tell my co-workers that I’ve done something exciting in my life like fly military jets.
Now you are talking…the A-10 is a pilot’s aircraft!! I don’t know of any military jet as maneuverable on the hard deck below 5k ft. When I was in ROTC I had the opportunity to speak with two A-10 pilots(after watching attack demonstrations which they participated)and they could not praise this aircraft enough. I was very tempted to leave rotor wing training in order to pilot this aircraft. It may not be a beautiful aircraft but it is a phenomenal performer for it’s designed role on the battlefield.
??
The reason I posted the caricature - is because I think it’s me too often (can’t help it =)
However:
“assholes like you who spout from behind the safety of their screens” <– you’ve just described yourself very well, so please stop projecting it onto me. You were the one who found it unbearable that someone else dare have a differing opinion. Asshead.
So, “behind the safety of screens” or not, let me reiterate:
You. act. like. an. angry. douchebag.
I realize it must be difficult developing socially after what you must’ve went through in highschool, but try to have some respect for other people’s opinions.
Point taken.
As for “douchebag”, I haven’t made enough posts to justify being called a “douchebag”. You however HAVE made enough posts to justify being called a “douchebag”.
Enough name calling.
I haven’t said anything I HAVE NOT SAID to peoples’ faces. Admittedly I wouldn’t say anything like that to one guy I know who’s packing some serious heat and who knows how to use it. Probably because he has.
Also remember that you are the one that posts often. I post seldom and seldom do I read the comments, but this MIG thing was interesting, especially with people like Viperman on board.
I haven’t made enough posts for you to make judgements of my character.
You however, have made an ass of yourself enough times that I can make judgement of yours.
I don’t know what you went through “high” school but I’ve yet to be accused of being socially challenged. On the contrary.
For “Russian_NYC” to ask anyone to “have some respect for other people’s opinions” is downright hilarious.
I do understand what you’re trying to get at when you say many Russians (and others from the Soyuz) are “dim witted” as I’ve known enough (hundreds) of them to have come to the same conclusion. At least in regard to the non-Christian, uneducated youth who hate anything intellectual. Like these immigrant retards who beat up a multi-racial couple in Montreal. I told a friend of one of them (I don’t know them personally) that they should go back to where they came from. This is Canada and they’re guests here. Stupid kholkhozniki. That post a couple of months back about the Ruskis taking over Toronto streets really pissed me off. This is Canada, don’t even put your old country’s national flag on your car, or go back to where you came from. I’ve said this to a number of them. Anyways, gotta go.
Point taken.
“I haven’t made enough posts to justify being called a “douchebag””
^^^
If someone makes a stupid, angry, or insulting (like calling someone an internet coward) post - then yes, I’d say it’s only fair to respond. Besides, you kinda started this exchange.
In regards to:
“For “Russian_NYC” to ask anyone to “have some respect for other people’s opinions” is downright hilarious.”
^^^ I may sometimes say stuff that pisses people off, but I would NEVER aggressively try to impose my opinion - I would present arguments and respond to attacks, but never impose - I don’t argue for the sake of argument. Yes, I respect people’s opinions.
Also, I know I tend to embellish alot =) so, sorry if I went too far.
So, I’m a developer too, which environment(s) are you working in? Me: DB (sql), VB, Java
We should do tea.
Some much nicer to get along! he he
I do MS world; MSSQL and .NET, though I’ve done most of the other enterprise stuff as well.
MS is the best! (let’s start another war he he)
Right now I’m working on an Linux board Mono project. Fun!
So, Canada… Always wanted to visit. My ex g/f was Ukrainian and she has family in a Ukrainian catholic community in Canada.
You know that commentator broad Ann Coulter? She was once shouting that Canada and Mexico don’t even need militaries, since no one would dare come near this continent because of U.S. military =))
And you have a problem with Ann Coulter saying that? Whats your point?
Coming from a man who said I never flew a f-16 before - you speak in complete ignorance!
We as a country -(USA)already has signed agreements to protect both Canada and Mexico if attacked.
Your comment - “I tend to embellish a lot”? No fucking kidding!!!
You can’t be Russian!!! A Russian would never admit he was wrong!!
Childish you called me? Well lets see……..I was in a car accident about 6 years ago that ended my flying career when a drunk driver tore my car in half and I spent 6 months in intensive care and another 2 years to walk,talk and eat by myself again!!!!
Fuck you sorry ass Russian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get all your facts straight before you call someone a liar!!!
OK, so the reason you have hallucinations about fighting space-pirates in an F-16 - is because your brain is still messed up after the car accident? I feel for you, man.
Don’t drink and drive, people!
Just read any of Viperman’s posts - that’ll sober you up!
I’m in Vancouver, gang capital of the country. Other than that, quite nice.
A lot of old school Ukes on the Prairies.
Yup, definitely aware of Coulter; sometimes I love her, sometimes I hate her. I definitely don’t think Canada needs a massive military. A strong Navy, but not military. It’s only used for foreign adventures tagging along with the US.
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what is the point of writing in korean/chinese/japanese/, etc when no one here has a clue to what ur saying….
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Я живу в России. И в прошлом году в одном из наших городов проходило международное соревнование по высшему пилотажу. И как вы думаете, что занял первое место??
Российские летчики! На втором месте был Китай, а на третьем Украина.:)Некоторые фигуры высшего пилотажа, такие как - кобра или поворот на “колоколе” выполняли только Российские летчики на Российских самолетах 
what r they digging at the 3 pic ?
Risperdal….
Risperdal. Risperdal flash drive. Risperdal weight gain….
total BS, mig is dead, eaten by sukhoi for years already. That what happened when you can only produce jet with 2500 flying hours in it (compare to 4000 of f-16) with a famously smoky engine, short leg, and non-existence quality control. RIP!
I really enjoy reading English Russia » The Mig Factory . It’s very interesting. Hope you will post something like this again.
Very intresting job.
Russia good product…
Look, it’s a beautiful aeroplane, can we all just agree on that?
Rogue Bolo
Absolutely incredible pictures and I bet these wouldn’t have been in the public domain 20 years ago!! Russian aircraft would be such fun to fly… Relatively low tech (well, the older ones anyway) hand’s on flying, like sitting on two massive engines and throttling off at 1,500mph!
You guys are funny. It seems that this debate is several months old. Maybe you should get together at a coffee house in NYC and call it a day. By the way, the Russians that I know are very cool…arrogant as hell, but cool! Anywho, The Soviet era produced some of the greatest boasting by Soviet politicians that there has ever been. The boasting is all lies, as a military conflict between the Americans and the Russians would not go well for either side. Also, has anyone read the BS in Pravda or RIA Novosti, the Ruskis say they have a new ICBM that is impervious to everything American or NATO. Come on, building a good weapon is one thing, lying to the world is another. Also, when will the Russians quit being paranoid and stop thinking that the world is out to get them. Most Americans would love to love the Russians. This whole Cold War²is getting old. Let it go!