First Days of Invasion
First days of invasion into Russia seemed to be a piece of cake for Nazi German army. According to the plans of the German chief commanders the whole deal with Russia would take just a few months. They were hoping to take over the Moscow until winter of 1941 (the operation has started early summer, 1941). The invitations were sent to the higher officers of the German army for the celebration of the victory on Russian army in the summer, a few month before the planned victory.
And so there advancement into the Russian territory was really that easy for the first months. They moved fast, often leaving some pockets of resistance inside the conquered Russian land. Soon they got themselves right near two of Russian main cities - Moscow and St. Petersburg.
In Russia there is a popular belief, that Moscow shouldn’t be ever surrender to the enemy, because loosing Moscow can mean loosing of all the country. So the battles were becoming more violent and fierce as the Nazis approached Moscow.
And then winter come, that was the well-known old Russian winter, with horrible frosts and lots of snow. Before German army fought in the relatively warm climate of Western Europe and didn’t know what Russian Winter really is. It got demoralized them very much and possibly the Russian Winter saved the Russian people from being defeated right in the first year of the war.
Then the war lasted for 5 years more, and no holiday took place for which German officers got invitations, and frankly speaking at the end of the war mostly no invitation recipients were left alive.
And those are photos of the first days of the invasion, made by German soldiers.
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Well done for reaching your full potential asshole
Yeah you’ve stopped all the pages from loadings
OMG The Germans are soo cruel, they used russian kids to shine their shoes. Thats CHILD LABOUR! Illegal under Internatinal Law!
You’re an idiot.
You will stop pictures from downloading, klootzak..
A little remark to you : Houdt uw bakkes.
My language knowledge is sufficient to understand certain alien idiots
It was their biggest mistake, to invade Russia.
We celebrate this day the 9th of May
communists were worsed than nazi! Read about comunists crimes!
you need a Gasenwagen biatch
if nazis would won we would be living in a world where a race defines your social status, some nationalities would be annihilated, cool, ha?
the reds won and what? we have todays world, its healthy,ok?
30s stalin`s repressions were random, victims were random, their children survived, killings didn`t have such an epic non reversibility of nazis, who just cut out people not living a chance to escape (like jews)
you don’t know history, have you heard about tatars? stalin and other commies killed whole nations!
Вечная память героям! Мы знаем что вы сделали все возможное, и в плене вашем
нет ничего постыдного.
Hahaha, yes, i love the heroes from WW2 also, and fuck them all in ass by taking their pension money away. And no more privileges. More money and privileges for me, hahaha!
war veterans get very good pensions, my grandpa was getting 25000 rub per month.
oh yeah, its only about 700 dollars a month, oh those poor people. how do they live?
well you know what? On 700 dollars/ month one can live a moderatly wealthy life in russia.
Bullshit!
9000 rub ($250) is maximum of pension here.
Still perhaps slavich grandpa had been a KGB general.
Fascist and communist friends took themselvs by throats.
Andrey is right. It was the biggest mistake of Third Reich. But reason why you in russia celebrate that day on 9th is that Stalin was so paranoid that he had the peacedeclaration signed again, though western countries had signed it day before- on 8th…
They didn’t have much choice. The declaration of war specifically cited the concentration of Soviet troops preparing to attack. National-socialists should not have occupied Poland, together with the their international-socialist buddies.
Right.
Molotov in his speech after German declaration of war explicitly addressed Germans talking about concentration of Soviet forces at the border with Germany, which he, of course, called “complete nonsense” just like Putin’s foreign minister horse-face Lavrov would do today.
Molotovs’s radio speech is available on the Internet as MP3, though I have lost a link. If someone finds it, please post it here.
Trivia: Also it is funny, that while Soviets always have claimed that Nazis attacked them without declaring the war, there actually was such declaration, though belated by 1 hour or so. On other side, in 1945 USSR attacked Japan with whom there was a peace agreement, indeed without declaration of war. Well, that was a treachery.
So much for propaganda…
P.S.
You might want to see some pieces of video, generally related to the topic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8NIBMkzDIM&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPhT2H7aogE&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-FcVPZAIFI&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkkPZHjqa5Y&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8koqr0uUgs&feature=channel_page
https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol50no1/9_BK_What_Stalin_Knew.htm
Oh, yeah! /The declaration of war specifically cited the concentration of Soviet troops preparing to attack./ What a puslike degenerate you are? Screw you,fucking gook !
Is there a problem?
Is this something you did not now?
Oh, what a pity! They probably forgot to tell you about that in school!..
Source:
Вячеслав Михайлович Молотов - Речь 22 июня 1941г.
http://f1.army.lv/audio/133.mp3
So what? Is there wasn`t Britain and France in the game? Didn`t British intelligence spreading disinformation like Stalin plane attack Germany and where was all “concentration of Soviet troops preparing to attack” when Germany attack SU? Or Ussr have no right for military build up in a such hot danger times? huh? So FUCK YOU!
And put your “Soviet story” in your ass, mother fucker!
>Is there wasn`t Britain and France in the game?
Your point?
>Didn`t British intelligence spreading disinformation like Stalin plane attack Germany and where was all “concentration of Soviet troops preparing to attack” when Germany attack SU?
Germans had no intelligence of their own? And Germans planes weren’t flying over the Soviet territory? And German pilots did not see the troop buildup with their own fucking eyes? And Britain did not beg Stalin to attack? Still, here you seem to deny troop concentration…
>Or Ussr have no right for military build up in a such hot danger times? huh?
…and right in the next sentence you seem to admit it. Get your story straight, make up your fucking mind, or whatever you have.
…Incidentally, troop buildup near the border is easily the stupidest thing for defense, but damn near perfect for offense. You get my drift?
> So FUCK YOU! And put your “Soviet story” in your ass, mother fucker!
No fucking shit, so goddamn fucking civilized…
Again your “concentration of Soviet troops preparing to attack” you can`t proof it. Nothing to talkin about with you, goddamn crackhead professor.
A lot of commies explicitly admitted that in their memoirs. You can say what you wish about Suvorov, but you can not fault his sources. Would you like me to dig those up and prove to the whole world that you are stupid, delusional or evil, or possibly some combination of the above?
“Preemptive” german aggression may be considered cynical by people preferring such fascist propaganda and especially bastards preferring this fascist propaganda, but it isn’t.
Look up Vernichtungskrieg. Study soviet history.
Deutscher Dreck ist wieder wer und mehr und mehr rRevolutionär. In aller Welt.
Im Übrigen bin ich der Auffassung, wir sollten mal wieder Rußland angreifen. Das große Karthago führte drei Kriege..
Listen to Molotov’s speech once again or go to your local library and get folder of Pravda for 1940.
Pay attention: Molotov does not deny concentration of Soviet troops at the eastern border of Germany. What he says is “Germany so far has not had objections”.
He, actually, admits that there IS concentration of Red Army at the border with Germany, but he complains that it is not fair for Germany to attack USSR becaue of that, ’cause they so far have not complained about it.
P.S.
If will actually go to library (do you go to libraries? do you know what library is?) and if you live in ex-USSR country, do also pay attention how many pages will be cut and how many articles will be missing. It is called “censorship”. You might want to read “1984″ about it. “He who controls past, controls future.”
- “where was all “concentration of Soviet troops preparing to attack” when Germany attack SU?” - Read Suvorov’s “Icebreaker”. I know, that you ridicule him and think that he is a fool, but he tells about the facts well known to specialists, about large quantities of armament and supplies captured or destroyed by invading Germans in first hours of the war. And he is right pointing out that if you are in defense position, you never amass attack weaponry at the closest proximity of the possible enemy, because it is useless in defense. If you want defense, you do buildup in some distance and in several lines of defense. Not all at the border with shells nicely packed in railway cars for easier transportation. You do it only if you are getting ready for attack. (Remember Russian military hurrying to build railway track into South Ossetia in preparation for recent war in Georgia)
- “And put your “Soviet story” in your ass, mother fucker!” - Why so serious?
I personally very much like the movie. The first part of it mainly. The end is a little bit hurried and probably not so good, but the beginning of it is brilliant and excitingly interesting. And actually it does not tell us anything new - everyone in all the world (except most Rooshians, obviously) have known these things for all their lives. Sorry that it contradicts Stalin/Soviet/Putin propaganda. You must be feeling disappointed.
- “where was all “concentration of Soviet troops preparing to attack” when Germany attack SU?” - Read Suvorov’s “Icebreaker”. I know, that you ridicule him and think that he is a fool, but he tells about the facts well known to specialists, about large quantities of armament and supplies captured or destroyed by invading Germans in first hours of the war. And he is right pointing out that if you are in defense position, you never amass attack weaponry at the closest proximity of the possible enemy, because it is useless in defense. If you want defense, you do buildup in some distance and in several lines of defense. Not all at the border with shells nicely packed in railway cars for easier transportation. You do it only if you are getting ready for attack. (Remember Russian military hurrying to build railway track into South Ossetia in preparation for recent war in Georgia)
- “And put your “Soviet story” in your ass, mother fucker!” - Why so serious?
I personally very much like the movie. The first part of it mainly. The end is a little bit hurried and probably not so good, but the beginning of it is brilliant and excitingly interesting. And actually it does not tell us anything new - everyone in all the world (except most Rooshians, obviously) have known these things for all their lives. Sorry that it contradicts Stalin/Soviet/Putin propaganda. You must be feeling disappointed.
- “where was all “concentration of Soviet troops preparing to attack” when Germany attack SU?” - Read Suvorov’s “Icebreaker”. I know, that you ridicule him and think that he is a fool, but he tells about the facts well known to specialists, about large quantities of armament and supplies captured or destroyed by invading Germans in first hours of the war. And he is right pointing out that if you are in defense position, you never amass attack weaponry at the closest proximity of the possible enemy, because it is useless in defense. If you want defense, you do buildup in some distance and in several lines of defense. Not all at the border with shells nicely packed in railway cars for easier transportation. You do it only if you are getting ready for attack. (Remember Russian military hurrying to build railway track into South Ossetia in preparation for recent war in Georgia)
- “And put your “Soviet story” in your ass, mother fucker!” - Why so serious?
I personally very much like the movie. The first part of it mainly. The end is a little bit hurried and probably not so good, but the beginning of it is brilliant and excitingly interesting. And actually it does not tell us anything new - everyone in all the world (except most Rooshians, obviously) have known these things for all their lives. Sorry that it contradicts Stalin/Soviet/Putin propaganda. You must be feeling disappointed.
— What is wrong with this site, people!? Comments being delayed for more than a day!!! Fix the f*** cache!!! Or is this censorship? Then say so, so that posters are not wasting their time! —
http://mlyniv.net/2126-kto-proshljapil-nachalo-vojjny-2008.html
With a name like that, you should not be calling others “gooks”…
Don’t touch Russia…
Yes, it doesnt matter we make war on caucasus and we allmost attack baltic countries, dont touch us. (I really like my money and everything i stole from russian people, please dont attack me, i like my stolen things very much, dont destroy them)
I wish you had more balls, Mr. Putin, and finished the job like Bush did in Iraq. Instead you failed miserably, and left innocent Georgians to face their fate at the hands of a Tyrant. How can you ever guarantee that Saakashvilly won’t attack Ossetia again?
You are a coward Mr. Putin! You people are being repressed in Baltic Sates and you won’t even bat an eyelid, instead prefering to subsidise their gas, not to offend your friends in Bruxelles. Shame on you!
Ra Ra Ras-Putin?
Ga Ga Gaz-Putin…
Don`t worry Boris they love tyrants like Stalin and also chechen rebels
Oh yes, gas and its prices… The latest Russian propaganda blitzkrieg. It seems the Russians picked up the bait according to his expectations
Tell us more about the gas prices, my Czech friend? Don’t forget to mention how much Ukraine currently pays for gas and compare that to the rest of Western Europe.
One has to questions the rationality of Russian government giving gas away to an unfriendly country, when to this day, not all Russian homes have gas themselves.
Putin’s energy policy so far has been a complete failure!
Maybe I dont have much balls, but if i want you will get sick of your “bad” sushi tomorow.
Hey, I dont care about “my” people, HAHA, I dont even care about my mother!
Miss India isn’t Indian, but probably an American femenist woman (kim Ziegfield).
Just wanted to point that out. I’m tired of people bashing India because of that bitch.
miss india is some paki bastard/halal meat motherfucker.
Who made who?
Hitler=Stalin.
Excelent fotographs!!!
Fascist and communist friends taking themselvs by throats
So sad that germans didint succeed.
Great! I was just wondering how long it would take before Baltic Nazis would start commenting, exposing themselves for what they truly are - subhuman scum!
Hey Jaaks, come out… your friends are here!
Actually there are no Baltic Nazis, there are only some people I hire to act like, maybe I want to invade Baltic States without any legal reason again. capiche?
Have you been treated for rabies recently?
So sad national-socialism and international-socialism didn’t kill one another. Other than that, I agree.
So sad you did not die in childbirth.
You mess with the Russian Bear, you get the claws!
first days of the invasion and there are bodies covered in snow?
Another shit from site owner:/And then winter come, that was the well-known old Russian winter, with horrible frosts and lots of snow. Before German army fought in the relatively warm climate of Western Europe and didn’t know what Russian Winter really is. It got demoralized them very much/ Bullshit! German army was very well equipped for winter war and have good winter clothes.
Ah, did someone offended your fascist sensibilities?
Let me guess, you are ether from Latvia or Estonia, am I right?
Well, don`t know real you`re Boris or fake provocator
I`m not on nazi or German side, just wanna say what Germany lose war not because of Russian cold winter. This myth is distributed by western propaganda.
What do you think about Uschenko? Maybe he is reptilian http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwKcjRD1DNE
Well, don`t know you`re real Boris or fake provocator
I`m not on nazi or German side, just wanna say what Germany lose war not because of cold Russian winter. This myth is distributing in western propaganda.
What do you think about Uschenko? Maybe he is reptilan? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwKcjRD1DNE
What a f…?
In Russia there are more violent crimes commited by nazis than in all the baltic states together. Step out of your soviet dream and see whats going on in your beloved russia.
Лично передавил бы пидарасов ставящих в один ряд СССР и фашистскую Германию!! Не очернить вам суки нашей Победы давшейся советскому народу такой ценой! Спасибо Leung Chong, что обратил на этот момент внимание, если этот сайт и правда русский то владельцы его полные мрази.
Согласен. Интернационал-социалисты загубили кууууда больше народу, чем национал-социалисты. Читайте от Мельгунова до Аксенова. Т.е., в лучшем случае - Гитлер суть подражатель ленину-Троцкому-Сталину.
Зачем нам читать блевотину всяких пидарасов?
Помои данных авторов высраны сециально для таких духовных гнид как ты.
“Не читал, но осуждаю”, козлик? Впрочем, манкурты вроде тебя не знают, к чему это я.
…впрочем, манкурты вроде тебя не знают, что такое “манкурт”. Иди семки жри и жигулем запивай, духовный ты наш.
У toXa имеется “революционние сознание”. Зачем ему фсякие книжки неправильные читать?
a lot of people forget just how close the germans came to taking over the world. it really was frightening at the time… the russians and everyone else had to scramble to keep up! good job they lost haha. germans are gay.
I don’t know about Germans being more gay than others, but I agree that it is good that Nazis lost and will add that it is pity that Bolshies did not loose then and there as well. I believe it would have been better for everyone if Americans would have cleaned all that mess up in forties. World would be a better place now.
The world would surely be a better place if America controlled ALL world affairs, right? the world would be a better place?
pax americana?
P.S. I know soviet government did some terrible things! Soviet people won the war, NOT Stalin!. I’m just sick of people emphasizing that if the US declared war on the USSR things would be better. First of all, if that happened, Russia would be a tiny country right now, stripped of all territories necessary to it’s survival, the US would NEVER pass by the opportunity to gain from this conflict. I am not entirely sure that you mean well by your comment or just trying to justify American opportunism abroad like many of your politicians did and still do (Long after the end of the cold war!!)
why don’t you show pictures from KATYN?
If I were from one of the Baltic countries and had some short guy from Georgia with a big mustache demand that his armed forces use my ports and bases and then occupies my country and then tells his spectacled Georgian rapist NKVD cheif to arrest and murder all ‘enemies of the state’ (which could be anybody) then I would be a little pissed off as well.
They fought against communism. They died for freedom.
WEHRMACHT, SS, ROA, RONA, COSSACKS
Never forgotten never forgiven.
The red “liberators” can celebrate the 9′th of May all they want. IN HELL, with the whole communist party and the NKVD.
I am sure you are taking it over the edge here, though I guess I understand what you are trying to say.
Get rid of illusions.
Do not degrade the topic to absurdity.
nice trolling
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
This world in arms in not spending money alone.
It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.
The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.
It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population.
It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals.
It is some 50 miles of concrete highway.
We pay for a single fighter with a half million bushels of wheat.
We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.
This, I repeat, is the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking.
This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.
Address by President Dwight D. Eisenhower “The Chance for Peace” delivered before the American Society of Newspaper Editors, April 16,1953.
Dude, concrete highways suck.
there is ne need to fight russia. just let them drink and drug to death. they are close already.
Here in Brazil, it is not uncommon to answer some stupid suggestion with something like “After, let’s invade Russia!”
Last foto show famous talking Soviet horse with no legs. He was no fun to ride because you feet drag on ground. Also he not good to pull cart. The soldiers trying to push him to market.
Exactly so, colleague.
We just have to add, that this is a female horse pictured here.
Male horses were not really fun to ride, because they kept on getting stuck to the ground, for obvious reasons.
My Dadushka knew hime well, His horse name was Mr. Evgeny. He a Talk very well for a horse. I am sorry to tell you his man-pride worn off the way a cigarette is rubbed out in ashtray. It make him a sad horse.
I understand westerners stole idea and make TV programme about Mr Evgeny. They call it Mr. Edward.
The worst part of being famous talking Soviet horse with no legs is to not be able to eat tall hay. He felt very sad about this.
Previet comrads,cock de la!
Where is miss India?I have not seen her comments since she was told off by CCCP!
I am here. I have changed my mind and decided to stop posting anti russian stuff anymore. Most of my posts were the same (I had to post my views on so many sites that I ran out of anything interesting to say) and even I got bored with myself.
So, adieu, EnglishRussia. I’m sure that you will miss my well presented arguments. The best one I could think of was “omg such a backward country no wonder they dont know how to drive :(”
Miss India
P.S. If anyone posts anything like “OMG, Russia is such a poor country :(” or “Poor Russia so polluted/ruined/corrupt etc.) It’s not me - it’s a bot.
Dont take any comments too serious.You have your own style of comments that you write.They most likely were not serious anyway.You were just having fun:)
Hi Miss India,do you still read this site:)
write back please :):)
Post link to this post by CCCP
Bilosh, you crack me up!!
actually your all wrong
Hitler lost Russia when he alienated the ‘white Russian’ population that largely threw down their arms and surrendered not willing to be involved in any more of Stalin’s purges.
Had he incorporated these men, rather then leaving them to stave or treating them like animals he would have had more reinforcements that would have fought all the more harder as they were fighting for their own territory. As an example I am going to remind you of the heroic performance of the Nazi divisions at the kurland pocket in Latvia. The advancing Russian army gave up and went (well can’t be polite about this) raping hapless women around them. (crime statistic show that currently in 80% of all rape that occurs in Russia is a pack rape, so some things don’t change in fifty years do they?)
As for me, I hate hate hate the Japanese. Had the Japanese not attacked Pearl harbour there would have been no need for the USA to enter the war thus leaving Hitler to do what he set out to do. Next time Germany goes to war (not that it needs too, with the invention of the European union) it needs to pick its allies a bit better, its really sad that they didn’t win and we had to wait another fifty years for the European union and we still have to put up with Zionist bombing schools in Lebanon.
Which brings me to my next point. The origins of WW2 were all in the Great war which was started by some jumped up Serbian. Instead of throwing comments about ‘facist’ and ‘communist’ why don’t we all join hands and hate Serbia?
I think this site is fantastic and cannot get enough. Well done to the site manager. bring on more pics. We need some of Gregory Zhukov on his white horse called?
We also need a regular column dedicated to Hot Latvian traffic police cause those red ties get me in the mood for a bit of rape and pillage.
Oh and I loved Ra Ra RAS Putin……..I haven’t stopped laughing yet.
“Hitler lost Russia when he alienated the ‘white Russian’ population” - Oh, yes. I completely agree.
There was so much hatred against Bolsheviks all around after all the mass murders and conquests they had done up till June 1941.
If Germans would have treated people nicely, they would have won the war. But then they would not have been Nazis anymore, so that would have been a completely different story about a better world.
Just an example of how easy it is to fu*ck up things and lose everything if you have bats in your belfry and keep making enemies instead of making friends. That is something Putin might want to try to learn from…
This has to one of the most hateful and twisted posts I have witnessed on EnglishRussia.
One positive that is coming out of this post, however, is that more people will now see what terrible damage Baltic Nationalist propaganda has inflicted on the young minds of Baltic States.
Bearing in mind that I hear such sentiments on the daily basis, partially for Latvians and Estonians, the situation really is critical. What’s even worse, is that people are not the ones to blame - Racism, Xenophobia and anti-Semitism are the very basis on which current Baltic governments are holding to power.
Something must the done, and must be done now. We simply can afford another Fascist stage in Europe.
Everyone here knows your long lasting “love” for people from Baltic countries, so better keep your xenophobic chauvinist delirium to yourself.
“Hitler lost Russia when he alienated the ‘white Russian’ population” - Oh, yes. I completely agree.
There was so much hatred against Bolsheviks all around after all the mass murders and conquests they had done up till June 1941.
If Germans would have treated people nicely, they would have won the war. But then they would not have been Nazis anymore, so that would have been a completely different story about a better world.
Just an example of how easy it is to fu*ck up things and lose everything if you have bats in your belfry and keep making enemies instead of making friends. That is something Putin might want to try to learn from…
все кто тут угорает над людьми пережившими то время - просто тупые дебилы которых надо мачить в сартирах метро и везде где увидишь
А ведь смешно, правда? Ведь так хорошо все начиналось - и Польшу с немцами поделили, и у Финляндии и Румынии куски отхапали, Прибалтику всю загребли - а это 3 страны сразу. А потом вдруг - БАЦ! - друг и товарищ Адольф как даст под дых! Еле оклеймались! Кабы не ненавистных американцев с англичанами, смотри, еще Ленинград бы назывался Герингбургом или чем то вроде того. Жаль только что планы по успешной советизации всей Европы вылетели в трубу. Абыдно, да?
hehehehehehehe smeshno skazal.
Agreed.
Hear, hear! Тыдра аж заткнулась от огорчения.
Дорогая духовная мразь. Если кто-то и заткнулся, то только от наплыва пидарасов, вроде тебя. С пидарасами общаться - себя не уважать.
Так что ж ты общаешься, засранчик? Себя не уважаешь? Уябывай нах.
Cynical Bastard, you just showed you have 0% Idea of what you are talking about. Facism and Communism are two different things, you idiot (they even stand for the complete opposite goals..).
PS. I don’t care what brainwashed US swines think about USSR.
USSR was a great nation, and everyone with a brain would agree. (And US “Dark sides (imperialism which lead to many, many million dead innocent people) ” are equally bad as the Soviet “dark sides (Stalin era/civil war)”
“Facism and Communism are two different things”
Maybe in theory.
In real life they look exactly the same.
Besides, Nazis were Socialists, just like Communists. Fascists lived in Italy.
Let’s see…
Both have red flags
Both used swastikas
Both are socialist
Both declared innate superiority of one group of people over the other
Both declared primate of state over an individual
Both are dead set on government control of the industry
Both have charismatic leaders
Both declared their goals as “taking over the world”, and actively tried to implement them
Both killed a shitload of people
Looks like six of one, half-dozen of the other to me.
…there are, of course, differences. National-socialists were killing people based on race, international-socialists - based on class. National-socialists managed to off a lot fewer people. National-socialists’ conquest plans were much more modest. Still, looking at them, Nazis seem to be only a pale reflection of commies…
Cynical Bastard, I have time to kill, so I’l debunk your garbage (which is only fit to be used as material to force a throw up).
*Let’s see…*
Yes, let’s see your “arguments”.
*Both have red flags*
No, not really, but this argument is too retarded to debunk.
*Both used swastikas*
Are you an idiot or something? Swastikas were banned in the USSR (PS. Before Hitler, Swastikas were a sign of peace).
*Both are socialist*
Err… NO.. Nazi Germany was far right, and was a capitalist nation. USSR was far left, and was a highly centralised nation.
*Both declared innate superiority of one group of people over the other* USSR DID NOT, Nazi Germany DID.
In early years or revolution, Czarists slaughtered Communists and vica versa. It was a bloody civil war, which you fail to comprehend.
*Both declared primate of state over an individual*
So did every great empire in it’s prime time..
*Both are dead set on government control of the industry*
Nazi Germany was a deeply capitalist nation..
*Both have charismatic leaders*
Are you serious?
*Both declared their goals as “taking over the world”*
No one in history have declared that..
*, and actively tried to implement them*
FACEPALM.GIF
*Both killed a shitload of people*
And capitalism killed a hell of allot more. What’s your point?
*Looks like six of one, half-dozen of the other to me.*
Question: Are you educated?
*…there are, of course, differences. National-socialists were killing people based on race,*
There are pretty much ONLY difference.
*international-socialists - based on class.*
No you retard.. Or wait, are you suggesting there were no upper classes in USSR?
*National-socialists managed to off a lot fewer people.*
In 4 Years, Nazi Germany killed 2 times as many people as Stalin did in 30 years.
*National-socialists’ conquest plans were much more modest. Still, looking at them, Nazis seem to be only a pale reflection of commies…*
You need your head examined. Please visit the closest available doctor.
PS. Sorry if I was a bit rude, but idiotism like this pisses me off more then Pole nationalists playing the victims of evil Russia..
*Both have red flags*
No, not really, but this argument is too retarded to debunk.
Are you telling me it’s not true?
*Both used swastikas*
Are you an idiot or something? Swastikas were banned in the USSR (PS. Before Hitler, Swastikas were a sign of peace).
OK, so I can’t find the original reference, so I’ll concede this one. Go pour yourself a drink of whatever moonshine you drink.
*Both are socialist*
Err… NO.. Nazi Germany was far right, and was a capitalist nation. USSR was far left, and was a highly centralised nation.
OK, simple question… What “S” in NSDAP (Nazi party) stands for? Hint: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, National Socialist German Workers’ Party. Almost like РСДРП, Russian Social Democratic Labour Party
*Both declared innate superiority of one group of people over the other* USSR DID NOT, Nazi Germany DID.
In early years or revolution, Czarists slaughtered Communists and vica versa. It was a bloody civil war, which you fail to comprehend.
For your education: Serge Petrovich Melgunov, Red Terror in Russia, Hyperion Pr (1975), ISBN 0-883-55187-X
*Both declared primate of state over an individual*
So did every great empire in it’s prime time..
…and every other two-bit tyranny. Fair enough.
*Both are dead set on government control of the industry*
Nazi Germany was a deeply capitalist nation..
So was Russia before Bolsheviks. See comment above.
*Both have charismatic leaders*
Are you serious?
Yes. Prove me wrong.
*Both declared their goals as “taking over the world”*
No one in history have declared that..
See The Communist Manifesto, Marx and Engels, The Communist Manifesto, introduction by Martin Malia (New York: Penguin group, 1998), pg. 35 ISBN 0451527100
*, and actively tried to implement them*
FACEPALM.GIF
Sure, if Hitler’s 6,000 tanks is the evidence of world conquest plans, then 20,000 Stalin’s tanks is the evidence of WHAT? Peaceful intents?
*Both killed a shitload of people*
And capitalism killed a hell of allot more. What’s your point?
Show me the numbers.
*Looks like six of one, half-dozen of the other to me.*
Question: Are you educated?
I am. Ph.D. in Science. Have you ever managed to graduate from the special-ed elementary?
*international-socialists - based on class.*
No you retard.. Or wait, are you suggesting there were no upper classes in USSR?
Theoretically, there weren’t. In practice, there were. So? The point is, your beloved commies killed people just for being born into a particular class, as same Melgunov witnesses. Nazis killed people for being born into a particular race. Once again, it’s six of one, half dozen of the other, or, in a beautifully cynical Russian phrase, “я в сортах говна не разбираюсь.”
Дорогой малолетний долбоёб. Твои “доводы” говорят о том, что ты ещё не переступил порог 15-ти летнего возраста.
“Both have red flags” - ДА!!! ЭТО ВЕСКОЕ ДОКАЗАТЕЛЬСТВО!!!
Бляди, чьи книги ты рекомендуешь, используют примерно такие же сравнения.
Я ж тя, пидора, один раз уже нах послал. Ты чо, тупой, с первого раза не понял?
Stop whining about Katyn you Polish swine. It was so long ago. Maybe I should start whining about Polish crimes against Russian civillians in 17th century?
“Stop whining about Katyn you Polish swine. It was so long ago.”
And you, Rooshan whatever?
Why don’t you stop whining about German invasion?
As you yourself say - “it was so long ago”.
(As a matter of fact, it was only 1 year and a half after Katyn, with “Great Patriotic” Thing actually being only logical continuation of all the other events at the end of thirties.)
Stupid durak.
We’re talking about WWII here, when the Katyn massacre was committed by the communists and you’re comparing this to bringing up crimes from 400 years ago?
Inconviniet truth, unlike wtv shithole you are from, Russia is currently prospering and growing - FAST.
go to russia countryside and show us the growth. it’s the 3rd world country with atomic weapon
Kirov, you are an ignorant fool! Go drink some vodka and then get some rest in the ditch. That`s where you belong!
The title “First Days of World War 2″ is fundamentally wrong. Because what the article is about is the so called “Great Patriotic War”. Which is basically days of WWII glorious for Russians, with the days not so glorious for them before that (Poland, Finland etc.)conveniently forgotten. Selective cognition. They see only the things they want to see. And get mad if you tell them that.
There are many haters here who come here to insult and dishonor everything and everyone. Why would you come to EnglishRussia if you are not interested or in anyway fascinated by Russia and it’s people? Don’t like Russia and Russians? Don’t come here! Why get upset and nervous because of something you do not like? I have not fought in WW2 and most of the people who did a long gone now but I would never ever disrespect it or anyone who fought in it on any side. Does not matter if you are Russian, American, German , Japanese, Italian, Hungarian, Ukrainian, Polish, British, French, Georgian or Armenian. It does not matter who are you!
In my opinion people who are stirring shit here are just jealous sons of bitches! They want to see Russia on it’s knees, week ,beaten, defeated. Why ? It is simple! When Russia get off it’s knees … usually like history shows the rest of the world gets on theirs. Because Russia and Russian soul are the most powerful things on this planet. No matter… Communism, Capitalism, Monarchism, Russia will go through all of that shit and will emerge on top anyway, it will take time and people will die in process many if which will be Russians them self’s. All these little countries all over Russian border are like bees all over bear they talk the talk but they cant walk the walk. I’m an American and I can tell you that My motherland USA is not better than Russia in anyway and in many ways even worst than Russia… my country BUYS another countries with money! And then Starts WARS with those money! The point is.. these are pictures of WW2 look at them, take in as much info as possible..learn not to start new wars and shut up!
P.S. Often person running this web lacking proper English (because he or she is Russian) and sometimes explanation are little off, Be thankful that there are explanations in the first place. And if you don’t like something I dare you to start a website called “RussianEngland” or “RussianUSA” and write all the comments in Russian and then we will see how you will do. Ignorant FUCKS!
Spasibo, tovarisch! (Thank you, comrade!)
I started to weep.
Let us drink 100 of vodka to celebrate Mother Russia rising from its knees about to make all the others to get down on theirs!
But, if seriously, you, dear “American”, are a good example of how shitty ideas are transferred to other countries. I bet you are a son of some emigre from USSR or Russia who run away from his beloved Motherland to the place where it is brighter+warmer, were people are nicer and he is better fed. Then he grew up you and fed you stories about the Paradise Lost, the Great Russia humiliated by the evil West.
That is not unlike islamist radicals in Denmark and elsewhere, they despise the country and the people and would better see them dead, but they like to comfortable living conditions there so they stay and keep on bitching.
So do you. In post-Soviet countries, in Europe, in USA, in Israel. Everywhere. You hate the West as it is, but prefer to live there. Because it is nicer than hole your originally came from.
Do world a favor, get back to your freaking Russkie Wonderland and rot there rising from your knees sky high!
Actually, judging by your “them self’s”, which would have to read “themseves”, I doubt if you are any close to America at all.
Possibility that you are one of those agitators from Russian teenage Fascist organization “NASHI”, posing as foreigner (a practice, which has become very common), is much more probable.
Agitprop. Lenin highly valued cinema because of its value for propaganda. Dr. Goebels admired Soviet practice of installing a loudspeker called “radio-point” (”radiotochka”), spitting out Communist brainwash hour by hour day by day. Putin, seems, has correctly estimated a value of anonymity and accessibility of the Internet for propaganda purposes.
…And all of the sudden Internet is full of strange people speaking broken English pretending to be what they are not, but all and every of them being crazy Russophile ready to kill and to die for the Great Russia. Just amazing.
O! ‘zacly!!! You might enjoy this, although I suspect you might have seen it already.
Вот, вот …
Internet is very affordable and increasingly effective medium (as more and more people spend there their time and get their information there), and so ideal for Russian propaganda by “astroturfing”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing
Gena, I somewhat agree with you but it’s obvious you’re a Russian immigrant living in the US, and not very long either because your long post also lacks “proper” English.
That said, we need a strong Russia. Screw democracy, Putin should take over permanently. Though this oil price crash might cause some serious issues.
No, Russia most ertainly should not “Screw democracy”. Just beacuse US and UK have decided to do so, doesn’t mean Russia should follow suit by becoming a Police State.
ID cards, 32 days detention without trial, continuous deteriorations of civil liberties - give me “Russian democracy” any day!
Chris, you are bashing Gena about his English?
I have been teaching the English language for 10 years, and I see plenty of grammar mistakes in your post.
I thought you never graduated from an elementary school for the mentally deficient?
russia is not better then usa… hahaha
half of russians dream about moving to usa. do you know americans moving to russia? hahaha
i have a friend married with russian girl (they are in russia yet) and i know what the shit the country is.
and yes, russians are very good in living and surviwing all the shit in the country they create
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Care to elaborate how they look the same? Because in real life, they were more different then capitalism and planned economy..
PS. Nazism is Fascism…
Is it Poland under Soviet occupation on photos no 1,5,6,7,8,10 ?
Russianlynxy: …if the US declared war on the USSR things Russianlynxy: would be better. First of all, if that happened,
Russianlynxy: Russia would be a tiny country right now,
Russianlynxy: stripped of all territories necessary to it’s
Russianlynxy: survival…
- Germany used 85% of her military resources fighting the Russians
- Germany lost 88% of her soldiers fighting the Russians
- Russia had 460 divisions in the European war
- The US had 16 divisions in the European war
Please explain how “…if the US declared war on the USSR things would be better. First of all, if that happened, Russia would be a tiny country right now, stripped of all territories necessary to it’s survival…”.
Kirov : Chris, you are bashing Gena about his English?
Kirov : I have been teaching the English language for 10 years,
Kirov : and I see plenty of grammar mistakes in your post.
I’m sure there are some, but plenty? Please outline all grammar mistakes in my post.
Gena was writing as if he’s an American, which he is not. He is an ehtnic Russian judging from what he wrote.
Please outline all grammar mistakes in my previous post.
i cant believe people are still arguing about who did more in ww2 russia or the US
RuSSiaNThuG : i cant believe people are still arguing about who
RuSSiaNThuG : did more in ww2 russia or the US
The war on the Russian front was larger than all the other theaters combined. The American contribution to the fight against the Germans as understood by most Americans is ridiculously overblown. Just trying to set things straight. I’m Polish so please no accusations of being pro-Russian, but a strong Russia is necessary in the grand scheme of things.
Most of your comments suck and show little knowledge of Russia and its history. Russia will in time distruct unless they find a way to make more babies - their population is on the decline.
Lets solve all issues here and just post more pictures of sexy Russian girls and we can all fight over something much more important - which girl is the hottest!!!
Give us more girls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Russian girls are awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know….I got one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got one too!!!!!!!!!!
She is HOT, SMART and just a SWEETHEART!!!
Bilosh : The worst part of being famous talking Soviet horse
Bilosh : with no legs is to not be able to eat tall hay. He
Bilosh : felt very sad about this.
Quit while you’re ahead =)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6753179241338483263&ei=mflmSa6YO4yA2wK6mbCLDg&q=soviet+story&dur=3
This puts some events of WWII in to perspective. Like the Finland’s winter war for example.
And despite of the rather propagandist take I feel it´s one to watch if you want to broaden your outlook on WWII history.
америкосы вам песда я был щаслив когда вас бомбило собственное правительство 9/11
Пшел нах, Тыдра. Заебал тему переводить.
пашол сам нахуй мудаебище
ты был зачат анально скатина
ты и твоя жызнь это сплошная реклама кантрацептива
Ну ты и баран Lutra Lutra . Типичное русское быдло!
нормально гонит,всех проамериканцев ф топку!
И ты баран!
Слышь, ты бы ебало своё завалил. А то до ХУЯ “умный”.
И ты пошел нах.
Еще одно животное на горизонте появилось
Да и правителство России бомбил собственных гражданин. Книгу Литвиненко читал? Про девятиетажных дом помниш?
I wonder how people like you or REx is pissed off about Russia, Putin and NASHI LOL What a bunch of unhappy morons from eastern Europe
If that makes you wonder, that means you do not know and do not understand a lot of things. Good for you. The life is easier if you are a happy moron, does not matter either from Western Europe or wherever else. There is Russian saying - “the less you know, the better you sleep”.
Actually you should be a happy moron from Putin’s Russia, ’cause few people in the West know or care about “Putin Jugend” NASHI, so would not mention them.
Thank you.
Your identification of “Nashi” as “Putin Jugend” was the definition I needed to google out the meaning of “Nashi”. Until now, it was a puzzle I did not understand on this forum.
Welcome!
I am happy there was at least some use of my comments here.
Take care!
no one and has never been able to and will not be able to conquer Russia. Learn history.
…except for Mongols. For 300+ years.
Everyone lies about their history. This way the bad guy is always out there, and not in here. So lets take it easy. Will never get the whole story right unless we have supernatural powers.
Nice pictures on this website
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Ok, let me hear your “expert” opinion. Tell me why Fascism was the same as Communism.
*Are you telling me it’s not true?*
Facepalm.gif Yes, I am. Last time I checked, only Nazi-Germany had red on their flag.
*OK, simple question… What “S” in NSDAP (Nazi party) stands for? Hint: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, National Socialist German Workers’ Party. Almost like РСДРП, Russian Social Democratic Labour Party*
Ok, you say Nazi Germany was soscialist because it stood in their name.
“Democratic republic of North korea”. Does this mean NK is democratic?
*For your education: Serge Petrovich Melgunov, Red Terror in Russia, Hyperion Pr (1975), ISBN 0-883-55187-X*
I’m sorry, but I don’t read propaganda. These people never accept anyone who don’t think like they do about USSR.
Facts are, neither USSR or Czarists where nice. Actually, early USSR was quite a bit capitalist, before Stalin took over.
*So was Russia before Bolsheviks. See comment above.*
So Czarist Russia was communistic & socialist? What’s wrong with your head?
*Yes. Prove me wrong.*
I mean, are you serious in using that as an argument?
*See The Communist Manifesto, Marx and Engels, The Communist Manifesto, introduction by Martin Malia (New York: Penguin group, 1998), pg. 35 ISBN 0451527100*
Facepalm.gif x4
The early communists THOUGHT communism would take over the world. But this is irrelevant anyway, as I was talking about USSR.
*Sure, if Hitler’s 6,000 tanks is the evidence of world conquest plans, then 20,000 Stalin’s tanks is the evidence of WHAT? Peaceful intents?*
Omg, I just lost a braincell reading that.
I guess USA is planning on world conquest as well, considering they have a 600 billion dollar military budget.
*Show me the numbers.*
Let’s see…
Near complete extermination of natives in Amerika.
Incredible brutality in European colonies in Afrika (especially Belgian Kongo).
Strong nations invading weaker nations because of economic profit (British wars against China, Japan, “gunboat policy”).
Fabric owners doing what they can to maximise profit, ignoring all other things.
I can’t come up with more in this minute, but there sure are more.
PS. I can’t provide numbers because all the dead cannot be counted. There were to many.
*I am. Ph.D. in Science. Have you ever managed to graduate from the special-ed elementary?* And I am the king of Britain. From what I have red, all your education about this subject comes from tabloids and cold war propaganda.
*Theoretically, there weren’t. In practice, there were. So? The point is, your beloved commies killed people just for being born into a particular class, as same Melgunov witnesses. Nazis killed people for being born into a particular race. Once again, it’s six of one, half dozen of the other, or, in a beautifully cynical Russian phrase, “я в сортах говна не разбираюсь.”*
What the HELL are you talking about? Communists didn’t kill wealthy landowners in civil war. They killed wealthy landowners if they fought Communists.
“Fabric owners doing what they can to maximise profit, ignoring all other things.”
You have made a funny mistake, Comrade. “Fabrika” in Russian is not equal to “fabric” in English. What you said is “The linen owners doing what they can to maximise profit…”. Obviously, you wanted to say “The enterprise owners… etc.”
Unfortunately, I must inform you that the accounting department was informed to deduct 100 Euro from your secret EUR account.
Next time you make similar mistake, your brother will be sent to serve his 10 years for calling The Wonderful Democratic All-Russian Presidential Elections “a farce”. Your grandmother will cease to receive the lousy pension for her no-good husband. We know very well he died in 1945 in Berlin by the hand of his own men after trying to stop them from raping a 12-years old girl.
Your wife will be assigned the job of a cleaner in the barracks of our glorious Red Army.
Beware, Comrade!
Check your dictionary before you make a post!
The enemy never sleeps!
We’ll continue this discussion when your brain phimosis is under control. However, I suspect it is untreatable as this stage, with a very low probability of even a temporary remission.
cynical bastard, Kirov is totally brainwashed retard. Leave him alone
Heh, I am arguing out of sporting interest… and for the benefit of bystanders. It’s not like he got the brainpower to convince me one way or the other.
Ok
OK, since the weather is not good for sailing today, I am going to cut you some slack…
*Ok, you say Nazi Germany was soscialist because it stood in their name. “Democratic republic of North korea”. Does this mean NK is democratic?
Yes it does. There is some democracy within the ruling party (WPK). The same sort of “democratic centralism” bolsheviks were so fond of.
*Re: Melgunov. I’m sorry, but I don’t read propaganda. These people never accept anyone who don’t think like they do about USSR.
Well, fuck you then. Melgunov saw all that with his own very eyes back in the 1920s (first edition in 1924, IIRC), and was writing using documents from both the commies themselves (lists of those executed as well as the direct orders to take and execute hostages - all of which, incidentally, is still a matter of record) and the official reports of bolshevik atrocities investigations. And, yes, after all bolsheviks have done, the Whites should have been summarily executing them. They didn’t. Big mistake.
*Actually, early USSR was quite a bit capitalist, before Stalin took over.
Oh, you mean like NEP? Well, gee, even Lenin realized that communism didn’t work, so he introduced some elements of capitalism - following a period officially known as “military communism”.
*So Czarist Russia was communistic & socialist? What’s wrong with your head?
Lay off your bong for a minute. Where did I imply that?
*I mean, are you serious in using that as an argument?
I am. Giving you a taste of your own medicine, by making an unsupported assertion and challenging you to prove me wring. Only, unlike you, I am explicit about it.
*The early communists THOUGHT communism would take over the world. But this is irrelevant anyway, as I was talking about USSR.
From the Declaration of the Creation of the USSR (translation mine): “new state… shall become… a decisive step towards unification of the workers of the world into the World Soviet Socialist Republic.” Sounds like a declaration of war on the civilized world, dont’cha think? We all know by what methods those workers of the world are united into a “World Soviet Socialist Republic”, right? Never repealed, by the way, so since 1924 and until 1991 Soviet Union was, in fact, in the state of war with the rest of the world. But then again, commies admitted that.
*I guess USA is planning on world conquest as well, considering they have a 600 billion dollar military budget.
Somebody has to the job of keeping assorted scum in check. Better Pax Americana, than Pax Arabica (see recent events in France), Pax Africana (see Zimbabwe/SAR) or Pax Russica (Chechnya, N. Korea, etc.). And if Europe is not willing to chip in, well, I guess we’ll have to carry that burden alone. Now, back to the original topic: WHAT was the reason for the Soviet Union to have 20,000 tanks, while facing allied Nazi Germany with only 6,000 tanks of very low quality?
*I can’t come up with more in this minute, but there sure are more.
So, nobody is an angel. The truth is, U.S. has not been involved in genocide in the 20th century (and don’t you trot out that Indian affair - that’s 19th century). Both Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany have been. The difference is, Germany is ashamed of it, Russia is proud of it.
*And I am the king of Britain.
You are not, and I can prove it
*From what I have red, all your education about this subject comes from tabloids and cold war propaganda.
You ain’t so edumacated yerself. “Red”? Is it a Freudian slip, or you simply don’t know how preterite of “read” is spelled? In any case it’s irrelevant. Those in the know are well aware of my credentials, and I don’t give a shit what some anonymous prick on the internet thinks about me.
*What the HELL are you talking about? Communists didn’t kill wealthy landowners in civil war. They killed wealthy landowners if they fought Communists.
Commie bullshit.
Omg, I just lost a braincell reading that.
I am sorry. Did that diminish your mental capacity 50%?
“Communists didn’t kill wealthy landowners in civil war. They killed wealthy landowners if they fought Communists”
What an amazingly ignorant moron you are. If someone shines flashlight into one of your ears, the beam should come out of the other one.
Long live Russia! With citizens like this its future is glorious!
Госсподибожемой…
Rex, when you are sober, come back to me. Facts are, Bolshevics killed only those who opposed them. They needed all the support they could get.
PS. Stop using google.translate. It makes you look like a jackass.
“Bolshevics killed only those who opposed them”
Oh, yeah. That’s right.
Unfortunately they thought that it was every man, woman and child, who opposes them (though often they were not too much far off in their judgment in this respect), so they took “preventive measures” so to say, and killed or put people in GULAG camps in their thousands with a total bottom line of many millions dead.
Remember Lenin, who explicitly demanded wealthy farmers hung, publicly executed in large numbers just because of them belonging to certain class, to show how serious Bolshies are in their intentions.
Remember the people hunt by NKVD, when they had “plans” (quotas) which they had to fulfill in deporting people to GULAG camps. Local Commie officials even tried to beat one another in deporting larger number number of people to show how effective they are. Some sport, eh?
It was not uncommon that when a NKVD headhunter team arrived at a certain location and did not find those people in the list whom they ere looking after, they just took ANYONE they could find in vicinity, so that the “plan” (quota) is reached.
I remember a case when a honored Red Army officer, who had just returned from the front, was arrested in this manner - just to fill in empty seats in a NKVD truck they used to bring people away. Luckily for him he had some friends in Communist authorities who helped him put. Many thousands of others were not so lucky and died in Siberia at freezing -50C.
Bolshies had a certain NUMBER of people to be executed or sent to a camp. They did not even care who you are. Had Nazis thought about anything like that? It is amazing, but probably Nazis were not apeshit enough to get this far.
P.S.
Nice name you have - Kirov - one of the Commies fat cats.
Were your parents Communist activists? You sound too fanatical and stoned (обдолбанный) even for a stupid Putinland teen.
I never whined about anything. I only bash idiots, like Poles who think they are victims of everything, and hate Russia for no reason.
PS. Why do Poles always bring up Katyn, but never bring up German atrocities? Why do Poles never bring up the fact that the USSR saved them from complete extermination by the hands of the Nazis? Use your brain, idiot.
- Isn’t is strange, that nearly every nearby nation “hate Russia for no reason”? Really strange, isn’t it?
- “Why do Poles always bring up Katyn, but never bring up German atrocities”. They do. They bring German atrocities before Germans, and Russian atrocities before Russians. The fundamental difference, though, is that Germans admit that there was time when they f*cked up, whereas Russians not only don’t admit it, but even are proud of what they did.
- “USSR saved them from complete extermination by the hands of the Nazis”. Oh? When in 1939 Poles were heroically fighting against German Nazi invasion, Russian Bolshies took a surprise attack on them from behind. That is some real saving, isn’t it? Not even mentioning that the Nazi invasion of Poland, which is generally acknowledged as the beginning of WWII was possible only after Das Reich and USSR concluded Molotov-Ribbentrop pact with its secret part on partition of Europe.
Indeed, you sound like a cannibal asking for sympathy.
“Why do Poles always bring up Katyn, but never bring up German atrocities?”
Because this is a forum about USSR and the proud heir of its traditions - Russia.
Simple.
Chris, get out of this. We AREN’T DISCUSSING KATYN you idiot. Just some idiot SAYS: WHAT??!! THEY SAY SOVIET UNION WASN’T EVIL??? THEY POST POSETIVE IMAGE OF IT? WHY ISN’T KATYN MENTIONED HERE, STUPID BIASD ENGLISHRUSSIA!!
PS. I don’t hate Poles. I’ve been in Poland, and it’s filled with nice people and hot chicks.
I just dislike very much retards who use every occasion to spew their russophobic propaganda.
“russophobic”, Russophone”.
Nice buzzwords.
Universally useful.
Very handy when you run out of arguments.
Saves on thinking.
Inconvenient truth, I have been in the Russian countryside (unlike you). They got TV’s, food, heating etc. Sure, unfortunately they are quite a bit poorer then city dwellers, but they also grow much of their food themselves, and gas & electricity prices are low.
Russia in the dark, I would love to do that (sounds fun), but unlike you I have some intelligence and responsibilities.
Ah, so you have been to the Russian countryside? Really? How sweet! Where was it? You should be a great Russian countryside specialist now. Possibly they could even invite you to “Russia Today” to pose as an expert.
You say, they have got “food”! This is great!!! Let us thank the Great National Leader Vladimir Putin for providing food to the Russian countryside! So nice of him!
You say, they even have a TV? Amazing!!!! Fascinating!!!! It is so great to live in the New Proud Russia, Rising From Its Knees!!!
I am crying hot tears of joy and pride for the Great Country of Russia.
I have to stop this comment ’cause tears are blurring my vision and I can’t type anymore…
I also want to thank you for the revelation - Great Country does not need freaking supermarkets! Supermarkets are a sign of fat ass rotten West. Wealthy and healthy country, especially if it is a Mighty and Great Country, like Russia unquestionably is, need none of that. Why would you need the freaking supermarkets, when you can very conveniently grow your own food, like potato or garlic, in your back yard and keep a goat in a shed along with some chicken. Voila! See how the Government and the Great National Leader Vladimir Putin have all arranged for you? Do not forget, that you have to be grateful to them and show some obedience in return. Or else.
Besides, growing your own food makes you less vulnerable in case of another Great Patriotic War with the Evil West led by devilish USA who envy the Great Achievements of your Great Country Mother Russia and want to take all your oil and gas away from you. That is some Strategic Thinking on behalf of your Great Leadership. No one will be able to bomb you into Stone Age if you are already there!
I’m not really in position, since I told you I was “teaching” English language for over 10 years, while what I was trying to say I had been “learning” the English language for 10 years (since I choose to teach English in school).
I’m sorry, I said it again, I choose to “LEARN” English in schools.
Anyway, Chris, I noted some comma mistakes. And I don’t understand why idiots say Gena was Russian. He spoke a hell of allot better English then many American posters do.
But of course, he was pro-Russian and tired of retards saying Russia must be destroyed. That means he is Russian?
Stop posting BS.
I CHOSE# Not choose#
No. I have been on internet forums, and it is always Poles calling Russia evil for whatever reasons. Never Germany.
My comment adoring your extraordinary knowledge and wisdom has been lost somewhere in the cyberspace.
I don’t care. For some reason, Poles dislike Russians many times more then Germans.
You had to say “For some ABSOLUTELY UNKNOWN WHATSOEVER reason Poles dislike Russians many times more then Germans”.
Of course, when we are telling you about the reasons, which, actually, are well known to everybody except you, you are not listening. So go on. Be strong. You will have to deal with this mystery for the rest of your life.
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You know what? I come back here 2 days later and wow… 100+ replies to my post and all of them except one is… rather upsetting.
#1 Yes.. I’m an immigrant living in US
#2 I’m US citizen
#3 I do love US as much as I love Russia
#4 I live here in US equal amount of years that I lived in (USSR) Russia
#5 No I dont fucking have sweet life here motherfucker ( you know who are you) I work here like a fucking slave from 8am to fucking 9pm and pay my motherfucking taxes like everyone else does.
You have no idea how does it feel to be an immigrant, you have no fucking idea how does it feel to be rejected and called names by other brainless assholes like you in HS.
Not one fucking day in US me or my family have spend on welfare or fucking foodstamps. We worked and worked and worked! I’m grateful and thankful to USA for welcoming me and my family on it’s territory and than fucking flushing us in the toilet. Everything that I have I got it myself! and nether you or your relatives in fucking Nebraska gave me anything so STFU!
I’m defending Russia here just because I see how many people are attacking it at the same time, and poor Russian visitors here who are trying to defend Russia are only doing so much because they don’t really understand any English.
On the comment where people say that I’m like Muslims in Europe live in the country that I hate..
You are very very wrong my friends.. I would go and fight for my country like everyone else does. You cant even imagine how many Russkies like you call them are enlisted in US army and navy.. and trust me.. they get respect there.. ohh yea.
The rest of you gentleman who can not STFU … go to the mirror look in to it and ask yourself .. what makes me such a great “Citizen of the world” that I can go and insult other peoples believes and nationalities.
Last but not least.. before insulting me and my ability to write in English.. I must first tell you that I was writing that during my work..(I hope you have one) which prevented me from doing my best and second I was just pissed. Now tell me… mr Zhorik… you must be proud Jewish immigrant yourself … from Bobrusk… so STFU хуйло ти сука вонючее.
P.S. Kirov check my spelling again. Сука.
Cool off, baby.
I believe it is hard to live in USA but love Russia, to be American citizen and to hate America for not treating Mother Russia with proper respect, to live in democracy, but try to explain why totalitarian system is OK. And after all it is hard to defend why Russia is such a great place when you yourself had run away from it.
In short - it should be hard to sit on two chairs at the same time, isn’t it?
Relax. After all, I believe, after some more saber-rattling, one or two more colonial wars and few more jolly speeches of Tzar Putin, some more truth of “Russia Today” instead of evil Western lies, Great Russia finally will earn proper respect and will take its deserved place among World’s Superpowers. Unless it is H-bombed into oblivion after some Russkie provocation gone too far, of course.
As for people without knowledge of English coming here - so possibly they should not come here after all, if they can’t read and write? Better they hang around Russian “Patriotic” sites then.
P.S. There would be no need for you or anyone to defend Russia, if it would not behave like a madman itself, insulting and abusing everyone.
Kirov ignore my P.S to you. N/m
Mighty Cynical bastard, I understand why you stop. It’s pretty hard arguing that Nazism = Communism on basis like: “Both had charismatic leaders, both used red in their flag etc”.
So start going to school again.
I go to school every day, teaching little shits like you. See my response elsewhere.
Wow, you are a teacher in the US? Let me guess, a history teacher?? I really want to see proof.
Tell me, is it true that 11% of 18-24 year old kids can’t find the USA on a map? I guess your one of those 18 year olds?
Why do I have to prove anything to you? My credentials are well known to those whose opinion I value, and I simply don’t give a shit what some anonymous two-bit whore on the net thinks. BTW, I stated that my Ph.D. is in science, so I am most definitely not a history teacher.
And, yes, I would buy that 11% of those kids would not be able to find U.S. on the map. I am not going to comment on WHO exactly those kiddies might be, but hey, somebody has to shine my shoes and pick my garbage. Back at you - is it true that 32% of Russians believe in magic?
Not on magic, but on folk beliefs. Like not whistle in a room with others.
I guess all those who believe in god believe in magic as well.
PS. You sound like such a quality teacher, calling your students “little shits like Kirov”. I now understand why 11% can’t find their own country on a map.
Lemme quote (translation mine): “32% of Russia’s residents believe that an individual’s fate could be influenced by magic”. If that ain’t voodoo, then I am the fucking Julius Gaius Caesar. Woulda given you a link, but that delays the response (where the hell is my big post?)
And, yes, I take that back. You’re the little shit here. My students are a lot better prepared than an average college graduate in Russia.
OK, provide some link.
PS. Are you dissing Russia? 62% of Americans believe that the world was created LITERALLY as it stands in the bible.
PS. You called your own students little shits. I wonder, are they smarter or stupider then you? I hope the first option, because then they probably prove you wrong all the time.
Read any Russian? Here. About two screens down. A lot of other interesting facts, too.
Are you saying the the Bible is not true?
How many hours of the history channel do you people watch?
There we go again, everyone knows it better and tries to impose their truth to the others, while others are doing thesame.
Guys, just live with it, it’s history and it can’t be changed.. It been like 60 years from now, and those people were and are heroes. As every patriot is a hero in the eyes of his people, aslo is their history.
Like russian saying goes: You only tell the good things about the deceased, and if you haven’t got anything good to say, you just shut up.
“Yes it does. There is some democracy within the ruling party (WPK). The same sort of “democratic centralism” bolsheviks were so fond of.”
AWESOME! You say NK is democratic because it stands in their name! WHAT an awesome argument!
“Well, fuck you then. Melgunov saw all that with his own very eyes back in the 1920s (first edition in 1924, IIRC), and was writing using documents from both the commies themselves (lists of those executed as well as the direct orders to take and execute hostages - all of which, incidentally, is still a matter of record) and the official reports of bolshevik atrocities investigations. And, yes, after all bolsheviks have done, the Whites should have been summarily executing them. They didn’t. Big mistake.”
Smartass, when did I say Bolshevics weren’t bad? I said Whites were equally bad. And you say Whites took PRISONERS?? BWAHAHA!! They executed whoever they got their hands on. Communist supporting communities were completely destroyed at their hands.
Try to use your brain and read both sides of the accounts.
“Lay off your bong for a minute. Where did I imply that?”
Read your post.
“I am. Giving you a taste of your own medicine, by making an unsupported assertion and challenging you to prove me wring. Only, unlike you, I am explicit about it.”
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And when did I make such a “retarded” argument (NOTE: Saying USSR was good doesn’t count)?
PS. We all know you tried to use it as a real argument. Stop hiding your incredibly stupidity with attempts to weasel out.
“From the Declaration of the Creation of the USSR (translation mine): “new state… shall become… a decisive step towards unification of the workers of the world into the World Soviet Socialist Republic.” Sounds like a declaration of war on the civilized world, dont’cha think? We all know by what methods those workers of the world are united into a “World Soviet Socialist Republic”, right? Never repealed, by the way, so since 1924 and until 1991 Soviet Union was, in fact, in the state of war with the rest of the world. But then again, commies admitted that.”
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You stupid moron, it means that many more Socialist states will start. USSR was the first. How the fuck did you get to be a college teacher?
“Somebody has to the job of keeping assorted scum in check. Better Pax Americana, than Pax Arabica (see recent events in France), Pax Africana (see Zimbabwe/SAR) or Pax Russica (Chechnya, N. Korea, etc.). And if Europe is not willing to chip in, well, I guess we’ll have to carry that burden alone.” Wow, I ask again, how did someone with this IQ get to be a college teacher? The local garbage men are smarter then you.
Oh wait, I know, you are a redneck Texan. That explains it.
Seriously: That logic is pretty retarded, since neither Afrikans or Arabs tried to “take over the world”.
But of course, retards like you still believe Saddam had WMD’s.
“Now, back to the original topic: WHAT was the reason for the Soviet Union to have 20,000 tanks, while facing allied Nazi Germany with only 6,000 tanks of very low quality?”
What was the reason for Britain having such a great navy? Use your brain, fucking moron.
But I know you won’t so: USSR was large, and Stalin knew that most of the world hated it, and tried to destroy it from the start. That’s why.
“So, nobody is an angel. The truth is, U.S. has not been involved in genocide in the 20th century (and don’t you trot out that Indian affair - that’s 19th century). Both Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany have been. The difference is, Germany is ashamed of it, Russia is proud of it.”
1. Idiot.. US haven’t been involved in a genocide, but it has been responsible for many times more deaths then USSR has.
2. You idiot, USSR/Russian Federation was not involved in any kind of genocide (aiming at destroying a certain group) in the 20th century either. But go ahead, I have good time, post bullshit I can debunk.
“You ain’t so edumacated yerself. “Red”? Is it a Freudian slip, or you simply don’t know how preterite of “read” is spelled? In any case it’s irrelevant. Those in the know are well aware of my credentials, and I don’t give a shit what some anonymous prick on the internet thinks about me.”
1. Dude, I know 3 languages. You know 1. Who is smartest?
2. Facts are: I haven’t finished my education. But I still mange to debunk whatever tabloid bullshit you throw at me.
“Commie bullshit”
Go back to your cave, redneck.
Miss india your comments are kinda pathetics
“- Isn’t is strange, that nearly every nearby nation “hate Russia for no reason”? Really strange, isn’t it?”
Yes. Why? Because Russia pwnd their country before, and now they are angry.
“They do. They bring German atrocities before Germans, and Russian atrocities before Russians.” Is that why Poles go into Russianbashing frenzies everywhere? Is that why their president is as russophobic as Yushchenko and Saakashvili?
“The fundamental difference, though, is that Germans admit that there was time when they f*cked up, whereas Russians not only don’t admit it, but even are proud of what they did.” Mr. Idiot, bring me one Russian who is proud of Katyn. This “difference” is only in an idiot’s mind.
“Oh? When in 1939 Poles were heroically fighting against German Nazi invasion, Russian Bolshies took a surprise attack on them from behind.” I will give you a history lesson.
1. Stalin hated Hitler, and knew war was inevitable. So he asked the west (AND POLAND) for an alliance to destroy Hitler. Instead west rejected him, and let Germany + other neigbhours (and Poland) eat up Chezho-Slovakia.
2. After this, Stalin didn’t trust the west (with good reason, Britain even planned to invade USSR in 1939). He knew war with Hitler was inevitable, so he made an alliance with him, so he could build up his army, and maybe even stop a war. To keep Hitler from getting pissed off, he agreed to help Hitler invade Poland.
3. Have you heard of 1920 war between USSR and Poland? When Russia was in a civil war, Poland went on an epic land grab, terrorized Soviet lands when they took them. So they greatly expanded their borders eastwards.
“That is some real saving, isn’t it? Not even mentioning that the Nazi invasion of Poland, which is generally acknowledged as the beginning of WWII was possible only after Das Reich and USSR concluded Molotov-Ribbentrop pact with its secret part on partition of Europe.” Are you stupid or something? Molotov-Ribbentrop pact is completely irrelevant for the start of the war. Besides, why do you complain, fuckhead? Your own nation, Poland, eagerly joined in on partitioning Czheco Slovakia.
Use confused me.
Such amount of off-focus misleads or self-righteously honest shameless bullshit in one place. Effect it causes is unlike that of a flash-bang stun grenade.I am not even sure at which corner to start to dig up this pile. And if it is worth doing that at all.
There is ancient saying “Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain”. That about sums it up.
Rex, just live with it. Poland always lost to Russia. Poland was the loser. Poland was the weaker one.
And now stop bitching. You don’t hear me whining about how I hate other countries?
Your just a worthless little gimp, did you know that? Stupid gimp.
*And you say Whites took PRISONERS?? BWAHAHA!! They executed whoever they got their hands on.
I wish. If they actually did so, they would have been totally justified. Unfortunately, Whites often released their prisoners on their own recognizance. As I said, big mistake. Finns were smarter - they did exactly what you said. Consequently, Finland remained civilized.
*Read your post.
So, I reviewed the argument. YOU stated that Germany was capitalist. I agreed, adding that Russia was too - before bolsheviks. Sounds like your argument is bullshit.
*You stupid moron,
I’ll choose to overlook your infantile insult
*it means that many more Socialist states will start. USSR was the first.
Exactly. And we know HOW that happens. You realize that between 1924 and 1941 EVERY western neighbour of the USSR fell victim of Soviet aggression? You realize that Soviet agents of influence tried to pull off a communist revolution in Germany? One failed Austrian architect by name of Schicklgruber (aka “Hitler”) was involved in that attempt, by the way.
*How the fuck did you get to be a college teacher?
The usual way. Earned my Ph.D., did postdoctoral training, applied for a job. Unlike you, I had no influential parents, no wads of stolen money and no buddies in the gummint - just my intelligence, persistence and effort.
*The local garbage men are smarter then you.
Wow, you must know that from experience. I take it, that’s the smelly company you keep?
*Oh wait, I know, you are a redneck Texan. That explains it.
Yes, and proud of it. Make it an “enlightened redneck”, though
*What was the reason for Britain having such a great navy?
I don’t care: it is not the subject of the talk.
*But I know you won’t so:
Next time, use English, please.
*USSR was large, and Stalin knew that most of the world hated it, and tried to destroy it from the start.
Like who? Finland? Latvia, together with Lithuania and Estonia? Poland? Romania? I concede, they might have wanted to. Whether they had the CAPACITY is a different question.
…and for a good reason: ALL those countries fell victim to the Soviet aggression by the 1939.
*US haven’t been involved in a genocide, but it has been responsible for many times more deaths then USSR has.
I can make bullshit assertions, too. Prove it. With numbers.
*USSR/Russian Federation was not involved in any kind of genocide (aiming at destroying a certain group) in the 20th century either
Kazakhs, Volga Germans, Crimean Tatars, Kalmyks and Chechens come to mind immediately. Just because they haven’t succeeded, doesn’t mean they didn’t try. Same applies to Hitler, too. Incidentally, genocide of chechens continued until recently (and possibly still does).
*Dude, I know 3 languages. You know 1. Who is smartest?
Well, for one thing, if you were actually reading this thread, you would have noticed that I am fluent in at least 2 languages. What languages I might know in addition to that shall remain unknown for the time being. For the other, I don’t know what languages you claim to know, but I can establish that you most certainly don’t know English - otherwise, you would have known that the superlative you used in the quoted phrase above requires a definite article.
*Facts are: I haven’t finished my education.
Oh, so you STILL haven’t graduated from elementary school for the mentally deficient?
*But I still mange to debunk whatever tabloid bullshit you throw at me.
No, you “mange” to make a bunch of bullshit assertions, without bothering to substantiate any of them.
To follow up:
“Afrikans”
That’s “Africans”. Haven’t I mentioned that you don’t know English? In any case, enough that they took over Zimbabwe and South Africa.
Arabs tried to “take over the world”.
It’s right there in the Qu’ran. Dunno about the world, but they seem to be succeeding in taking over Europe.
Cynical bastard, are you really this stupid? Do you really believe the Afrikans and Arabs are out to get you, and US ARMY is created for protecting USA from invasion?
You can sleep calm at night, they won’t invade and take over the world.
No, it’s created to keep some semblance of peace over the world. Big mistake. Why should I be paying for keeping one tribe of primitive cannibals from exterminating another tribe of equally primitive cannibals? Let them rot. Now, preventing a nuclear conflict via MAD and defending Europe against commie invasion was a worthwhile goal, but seeing how they capitulated to Arabs, I am starting to have my doubts.
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Cynical bastard, Kirov owns you again and again. Because you cannot counter his statements, all you can do is resort to ad hominem attacks of his english, which is perfectly fluent and readable, despite it not even being his native language.
“Like who? Finland? Latvia, together with Lithuania and Estonia? Poland? Romania? I concede, they might have wanted to. Whether they had the CAPACITY is a different question.”
Duuuh, it’s called defending your country, like from the Allied intervention into the Russian Civil War, where Britain, the USA, France, Japan, etc intervened against the Bolsheviks, or like World War I or II.
“Kazakhs, Volga Germans, Crimean Tatars, Kalmyks and Chechens come to mind immediately. Just because they haven’t succeeded, doesn’t mean they didn’t try. Same applies to Hitler, too. Incidentally, genocide of chechens continued until recently (and possibly still does).”
Er, no. Says who? You? Nobody has said that the USSR or modern day Russia has committed genocide. Not the UN or any encyclopedia.
“Arabs tried to “take over the world”.
It’s right there in the Qu’ran. Dunno about the world, but they seem to be succeeding in taking over Europe.”
Backpeddling now? Thanks for admitting that Arabs have never tried to “take over the world”.
“No, you “mange” to make a bunch of bullshit assertions, without bothering to substantiate any of them.”
No, he manages. All you can manage to do is use intelligent arguments like “so you STILL haven’t graduated from elementary school for the mentally deficient?” and “did I mention that you don’t know english?”
Go to bed.
Wishing doesn’t make it so. As for Arabs, where did I admit that? I said “it’s right there in the Qu’ran”. Specifically:
“Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.” (Qur’an 9:5)
Religion of peace, my ass.
“I wish. If they actually did so, they would have been totally justified. Unfortunately, Whites often released their prisoners on their own recognizance. As I said, big mistake. Finns were smarter - they did exactly what you said. Consequently, Finland remained civilized.”
I’m sorry, but where did you get such trash? Neither whites nor Bolshevics were nice concerning prisoners (actually, they were all killed. They hated each other because of the ideologies). Provide some decent source, OK?
“So, I reviewed the argument. YOU stated that Germany was capitalist. I agreed, adding that Russia was too - before bolsheviks. Sounds like your argument is bullshit.”
That’s not what you said, but I won’t care to look it up.
But anyway, why did you say Russian empire was capitalist? Did you try to compare Nazi Germany & the Russian empire or something?
“Exactly. And we know HOW that happens. You realize that between 1924 and 1941 EVERY western neighbour of the USSR fell victim of Soviet aggression? You realize that Soviet agents of influence tried to pull off a communist revolution in Germany? One failed Austrian architect by name of Schicklgruber (aka “Hitler”) was involved in that attempt, by the way.” Jesus christ..
1. USSR occupied only lands that once belonged to Russian Empire.
2. Lands east of Belarus were not occupied, but put in the Soviet sphere of influence, which the allies nicely agreed upon.
3. You do realize that after 1921, the idea of “expanding Socialism” was abanded? So what are you trying to say?
4. Ok, so you are suggesting Hitler was a communist. Ok.
“The usual way. Earned my Ph.D., did postdoctoral training, applied for a job. Unlike you, I had no influential parents, no wads of stolen money and no buddies in the gummint - just my intelligence, persistence and effort.”
1. Oh yeah, and you teach science, right? RIGHT… I feel sorry for the kids you “teach”. They probably have to teach you what you are talking about all the time.
2. My family was made up by agriculturalists, stupid moron.
“Yes, and proud of it. Make it an “enlightened redneck”, though” Wow, redneck Texans are probably the greatest idiots in USA. I bet you still think Saddam was trying to take over the world with WMD’s until US had to “take him out”?
“Like who? Finland? Latvia, together with Lithuania and Estonia? Poland? Romania? I concede, they might have wanted to. Whether they had the CAPACITY is a different question.” No, jackass. Let’s make a nice list.
1. Japan
2. USA
3. Britain
4. France
5. Nazi Germany
6. Most of USSR’s neighbours in Europe and Asia.
7. Well, basically the entire western world.
YEAH, USSR REALLY DIDN’T NEED A LARGE ARMY!!1
“I can make bullshit assertions, too. Prove it. With numbers.” Support and armament of ceveral genocidal regiemes in Afrika. Overthrowing of democratically elected governments in South Amerika, and replacing them with military juntas. Same in South East Asia.
Vietnam war, and USAF atrocities.
Armament of anti-communist geriljas all over the world.
Sure, US wasn’t directly responsible for the deaths, but they were in part, or even in full the driving force because of them.
“Kazakhs, Volga Germans, Crimean Tatars, Kalmyks ”
No attempt at exterminating these groups was ever taken. Sure, they were forced to Siberia and Central Asia (btw, Kruvschoov government officially said sorry to them, and offered them a sponsored offer to return to their homes), for various reasons (like revolts).
“and Chechens come to mind immediately.” Just incase you want to try to throw some retarded BS at me (again), in the Chechen wars, more Russians died then Chechens.
So Russia was trying to exterminate itself?
“Just because they haven’t succeeded, doesn’t mean they didn’t try. Same applies to Hitler, too.” If Stalin wanted to completely destroy a group, he could do it in a matter of months. But unlike Hitler, he wasn’t a genocidal maniac, and wasn’t a racist either. He was just a paranoid maniac.
“Incidentally, genocide of chechens continued until recently (and possibly still does).” Genocide of anyone never happened. USSR or Russia was NEVER guilty of ANY kind of genocide.
PS. I have Chechen friends, you idiot. Do you want me to get them here, and tell you that you are a retard?
“Well, for one thing, if you were actually reading this thread, you would have noticed that I am fluent in at least 2 languages. What languages I might know in addition to that shall remain unknown for the time being. For the other, I don’t know what languages you claim to know, but I can establish that you most certainly don’t know English - otherwise, you would have known that the superlative you used in the quoted phrase above requires a definite article.”
Using google translator doesn’t count as knowing a language. Hey, actually, try to translate this (google translate won’t work, sorry): Cynical Bastard adna topyaja covolotj - Ot Rosiyja.
“Oh, so you STILL haven’t graduated from elementary school for the mentally deficient?” Let’s face it, an elementary school for the mentally deficient is still better then whatever “institute” you came from.
- One idea particularly stands out of you pile of dung:
“USSR occupied only lands that once belonged to Russian Empire”.
Good illustration of what kind of person we are dealing here with.
In accordance to your logic, Russia has all the rights to attack, invade and occupy several independent countries, including Poland.
Russian imperialist chauvinist bastard!
But your neighbors have always know how popular these beliefs are amongst Russians all the way up to the Putin himself.
So, thanks God, many of them are in NATO now.
I sincerely hope that the next major Russian “liberation march” to Europe will end up with Operation Russian Freedom all the way to Ural mountains.
Neither whites nor Bolshevics were nice concerning prisoners (actually, they were all killed. They hated each other because of the ideologies). Provide some decent source, OK?
Yeah, and the Whites were justified in their cruelty, since bolshies started that shit first. In any case, why should I bother providing any sources to you? For one thing, you haven’t provided a single one so far. For the other, you haven’t bothered to check the ones I already offered. Fuck off.
That’s not what you said, but I won’t care to look it up.
Case in point for the statement above…
Did you try to compare Nazi Germany & the Russian empire or something?
I was comparing pre-Nazi Germany to pre-Commie Russia, but since you burned a brain cell, losing half of your mental capacity as a result, the argument was lost on you. Don’t overexert your remaining intellect… or what passes for it, anyways.
1. USSR occupied only lands that once belonged to Russian Empire.
…to which it had no rights in the first place. But I am glad you are admitting the fact of occupation.
2. Lands east of Belarus were not occupied, but put in the Soviet sphere of influence, which the allies nicely agreed upon.
Lands EAST of Belarus? Look at a map every once in a while. Assuming you can find Belarus on the map, that is. Hint: on a standard map, west is to the left, east is to the right.
3. You do realize that after 1921, the idea of “expanding Socialism” was abanded? So what are you trying to say?
Soviet Constitution says otherwise. So do Soviet newspapers. So do Soviet actions. I don’t know what ass you pulled that idea out of, and I am not asking for sources, because I am sure you don’t have any.
4. Ok, so you are suggesting Hitler was a communist. Ok.
No, I am suggesting that there is no appreciable difference between national-socialists (aka Nazis) and international-socialists (aka communists). I also indicated that Hitler participated in a failed communist uprising and did prison time for that. Apparently, this argument is too complex for your single remaining brain cell.
[Ad hominems ignored. Although I could have called your ancestors "illiterate peasants"]
No, jackass. Let’s make a nice list.
1. Japan
So… why, then, Japan hit Pearl Harbor (ultimately getting its ass kicked big time) in December 1941, while bolsheviks were getting their asses kicked all the way to Moscow? Instead of crushing Russkies in the Far East?
2. USA
“Prior to the entry of the United States in the war, the Army had only a few tanks.” About 400 of M2s, to be sure. No sources for you, prove me wrong, if you feel like that. And, they were selling them left and right, like Christie designs that Russians ripped off into BT series.
3. Britain
And what army? They got their asses kicked at Dunkirk, for fuck’s sake!
4. France
Suuuuuure. How?
5. Nazi Germany
Nazis were good buddies of Stalin right up to about 0400 on June 22, 1941.
6. Most of USSR’s neighbours in Europe and Asia.
And they were fully justified. Wouldn’t be the case if Soviets didn’t fuck with every single one of them. Again, unfortunately, while they had reasons to wage a war, they did not have the capacity to crush bolsheviks once and for all.
7. Well, basically the entire western world.
“The only consistent feature of your dysfunctional relationships is YOU.” Get my drift? Or should I spell it out for the stoopit?
YEAH, USSR REALLY DIDN’T NEED A LARGE ARMY!!1
Fair enough, it did. For conquests. Which is EXACTLY what I was saying from the get-go. Otherwise, there was no reason to have as many tanks as the rest of the world combined.
Support and armament of ceveral genocidal regiemes in Afrika.
Yeah, like which ones? On the other hand, Soviets have certainly done that: it’s Kalashnikov that is shown on the coat of arms and flags of assorted cannibals (Mozambique, Zimbabwe, East Timor, Burkina Faso, Hezbollah, Iranian Revolutionary Guards), not M-16. It’s Kalashnikov that came down in price from 15 to just 4 cows in only 20 years. Incidentally, there are three misspellings in one short sentence. Учи олбанский, падонак.
Overthrowing of democratically elected governments in South Amerika, and replacing them with military juntas. Same in South East Asia.
Did they shit your pants, too? Incidentally, whoever installed military junta in S. Korea (since we have a controlled experiment here), did a great service to the people there. As for S. America, apparently, they did not throw enough communists out of helicopters.
Vietnam war, and USAF atrocities.
Again, the only thing I can fault the U.S. for (commanders acting without proper authority excluded) is not finishing the job.
Armament of anti-communist geriljas all over the world.
Like that’s a bad thing?
Sure, US wasn’t directly responsible for the deaths, but they were in part, or even in full the driving force because of them.
Oh, so you count indirect deaths? I’ll attribute ALL the WWII deaths to bolsheviks, then. After all, they re-armed Germany that was banned under the Treaty of Versailles from even HAVING tanks. Careful what you wish for: you may receive it.
No attempt at exterminating these groups was ever taken. Sure, they were forced to Siberia and Central Asia
And that, m’friend, is the definition of genocide: “Any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group (check); causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group (check); deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part (check); imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group (check); [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group (check).” Five out of five ain’t bad.
So Russia was trying to exterminate itself?
Yeah, and it seems to be succeeding at it, too. Did Nazi Germany try to exterminate itself when Nazis went after Jews?
Using google translator doesn’t count as knowing a language.
Agreed. So… what are you insinuating? That I am using a translator to translate my posts from Russian into English, or the other way around? Inquiring minds want to know. Incidentally, Freud at some point introduced a concept of “projection” – look it up, really enlightening.
Hey, actually, try to translate this (google translate won’t work, sorry): Cynical Bastard adna topyaja covolotj - Ot Rosiyja.
I didn’t check if it would actually work, but I am willing to bet it wouldn’t - for one simple reason that there is no translator from Bullshit. After some surmising, I have to assume that you were trying to say “Cynical Bastard is a stupid scumbag, so says Russia.” Now, leaving aside your lame attempt at kindergarten insults (I guess I was right, you still haven’t graduated from an elementary school for the mentally deficient), let’s see where you fucked up. Actually, no. It is obvious that you fucked up in every single word; let’s see HOW, instead.”
For one thing, if you pretend to use Russian, use the right character set. In that case, it would be Cyrillic. I’ll illustrate that below.
“Cynical bastard” would roughly translate into Russian as “циничный ублюдок”, although it does not truly correspond to the English meaning. “Ехидный негодяй” might be better. Then again, whatever shitty translation software you used, it probably does not have either of the words in the dictionary.
“adna” probably means “одна”, literally “one” (fem). Interestingly enough, Russian language does not require this: even though this sort of usage it acceptable, it suggests a calque from English. Again, a hallmark of machine translation.
“topyaja” is presumably “тупая”, “stupid” (fem.), pronounced “too-pAh-ya”. However, being as mangled as it is, it’s hard to guess.
“covolotj”, as I can only surmise, probably means “сволочь”, “svOh-lotch”, “a scumbag”. Again, mangled beyond recognition. The word has a feminine gender in Russian, and I am surprised that you actually got genders correctly.
“Ot” is a preposition “от”, most commonly taken to mean “from”. In this context, as far as I can guess it, it is to mean “this statement is made by” or “so says”. Literal translation of the statement as “from Russia” appears ambiguous. Capitalization following a dash is inappropriate. In any case, the entire sentence sounds awkward in Russian and should be re-phrased.
“Rosiyja” probably means mangled “Россия”, “Russia”. Using a nominative case here is a gross error, since the preposition denotes origin and therefore requires a genitive, “России”.
We already established that you don’t know English. Shall we add Russian to the list? What’s the third language that you don’t know?
Let’s face it, an elementary school for the mentally deficient is still better then whatever “institute” you came from.
What-fucking-ever.
“”Yeah, and the Whites were justified in their cruelty, since bolshies started that shit first. In any case, why should I bother providing any sources to you? For one thing, you haven’t provided a single one so far. For the other, you haven’t bothered to check the ones I already offered. Fuck off.” Omg, are you stupid? Nicholas was an arrogant fool, Alexander III was an arrogant, brutal butcher.
They basically asked for a revolution, something you would know if you had a basic knowledge of what you were talking about.
PS. You ask me for sources? Are you some idiot? It’s like asking: PROVE TO ME, THAT GHOSTS DON’T EXIST!!21123″
“I was comparing pre-Nazi Germany to pre-Commie Russia, but since you burned a brain cell, losing half of your mental capacity as a result, the argument was lost on you. Don’t overexert your remaining intellect… or what passes for it, anyways.” How was it lost? A such comparison is completely irrelavent, and is trolling on your part.
PS. If I had 2 braincells, I wouldn’t be able to do anything. Let alone writing intelligent responses to your spam.
You teach science, but fail to even know such simple things? Are you really this retarded??
“Lands EAST of Belarus? Look at a map every once in a while. Assuming you can find Belarus on the map, that is. Hint: on a standard map, west is to the left, east is to the right.” Ok, I made a simple mistake. Go and suck my dick now. What I meant to say was west.
“Soviet Constitution says otherwise. So do Soviet newspapers. So do Soviet actions. I don’t know what ass you pulled that idea out of, and I am not asking for sources, because I am sure you don’t have any.”
Idiot.. Come back when you know what International socialism is. Lenin and Trotsky originally wanted this, but Stalin saw on this as folly.
PS. Soviet constitution says nothing about turning the world communist by force. Idiot.
“No, I am suggesting that there is no appreciable difference between national-socialists (aka Nazis) and international-socialists (aka communists). I also indicated that Hitler participated in a failed communist uprising and did prison time for that. Apparently, this argument is too complex for your single remaining brain cell.” You truly are an idiot. I just lost one of my IQ points reading that.
HITLER TRIED TO TAKE POWER WITH HIS NATIONALIST PARTY, YOU STUPID ASSHOLE! IT IS THE DIRECTLY OPPOSITE THING OF COMMUNISM! CAN YOU UNDERSTAND SUCH SIMPLE FACTS OR NOT???
“So… why, then, Japan hit Pearl Harbor (ultimately getting its ass kicked big time) in December 1941, while bolsheviks were getting their asses kicked all the way to Moscow? Instead of crushing Russkies in the Far East?”
1. Because Japanese army wasn’t fit to fight in Siberia, but in Pacific campaigns.
2. Because they didn’t need Siberia, they needed resource rich Asia.
Learn some basic history, garbage man.
““Prior to the entry of the United States in the war, the Army had only a few tanks.” About 400 of M2s, to be sure. No sources for you, prove me wrong, if you feel like that. And, they were selling them left and right, like Christie designs that Russians ripped off into BT series.”
Ok, so first you claim USA easily kicked the ass of the superpower of the east, and now you say USA didn’t have a chance for war?
What are you, a retard? US and the west were extremely hostile to USSR, along with Japan and the nazis.
“And what army? They got their asses kicked at Dunkirk, for fuck’s sake!” Wow, you are such an idiot. It hurts my head. It really does. Britain was a superpower in that time.
“Suuuuuure. How?” The country was seen upon as the greatest land power in Europe before German’s invasion.
“Nazis were good buddies of Stalin right up to about 0400 on June 22, 1941.” They never were. They had been planning to destroy USSR from day one. They just allied themselves with USSR so they could take care of nations like France.
“And they were fully justified. Wouldn’t be the case if Soviets didn’t fuck with every single one of them. Again, unfortunately, while they had reasons to wage a war, they did not have the capacity to crush bolsheviks once and for all.” I never said they had, idiot. I said all of the world hated USSR because they were communist.
““The only consistent feature of your dysfunctional relationships is YOU.” Get my drift? Or should I spell it out for the stoopit?” Cynical bastard, I’m getting tired of your trolling.
“Fair enough, it did. For conquests. Which is EXACTLY what I was saying from the get-go. Otherwise, there was no reason to have as many tanks as the rest of the world combined.” Idiot, do you understand the concept of mixed and flexible defence (the most efficient way of defending oneself)? Whatever you may think, USSR wasn’t about to invade all of the world.
“Yeah, like which ones? On the other hand, Soviets have certainly done that: it’s Kalashnikov that is shown on the coat of arms and flags of assorted cannibals (Mozambique, Zimbabwe, East Timor, Burkina Faso, Hezbollah, Iranian Revolutionary Guards), not M-16. It’s Kalashnikov that came down in price from 15 to just 4 cows in only 20 years. Incidentally, there are three misspellings in one short sentence. Учи олбанский, падонак.”
Jonas Savimbi and Mobutu are the first that comes to mind.
PS. AK is the most used rifle in the world because:
a. it is the best.
b. It is the cheapest.
c. It is the most produced.
PS. I can say Afrika as much as I want. Иди к черту, cyka.
“Did they shit your pants, too? Incidentally, whoever installed military junta in S. Korea (since we have a controlled experiment here), did a great service to the people there. As for S. America, apparently, they did not throw enough communists out of helicopters.”
Oh, great you are for a genocide of Communists. Now I definitely know you are an idiot.
“Again, the only thing I can fault the U.S. for (commanders acting without proper authority excluded) is not finishing the job.” I bet you are proud of US marines raping women, and then razing their village as well, huh?
“Like that’s a bad thing?” Considering they run around, and chop of people’s arms and take the rest captive, yes I think it is a bad thing, fuckface.
“Oh, so you count indirect deaths? I’ll attribute ALL the WWII deaths to bolsheviks, then. After all, they re-armed Germany that was banned under the Treaty of Versailles from even HAVING tanks. Careful what you wish for: you may receive it.” The Soviets never armed the Germans. Are you an idiot? Seriously, I am asking you. Hitler hated only Jews more then Bolshevics.
“And that, m’friend, is the definition of genocide: “Any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group,” Ok, let the debunking begin.
“as such: killing members of the group (check);” Because of their specific ethnicity? No.
“causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group (check);” FAIL. Never was any specific group targeted like this. They were simply forced to leave their homes, and resettle in empty land (like with the Volga Germans. Stalin thought they may be would cooperate with the Germans, so he shipped them off farther East).
“deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part (check);” Idiot.. Are you saying the Communists tried to kill them off by exposing them to cold or warm weather? Stop making random claims.
Retard.
“imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group (check);” So you are seriously claiming the NVKD actively prevented them from having sex to each other/And or mutilated them?
“[and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group (check).”” That never happened as an organized attempt. Never. Check up your facts.
“Five out of five ain’t bad.”
Zero out of five. You managed to prove absolutely nothing, except that you know nothing of the situation.
“Yeah, and it seems to be succeeding at it, too. Did Nazi Germany try to exterminate itself when Nazis went after Jews?” As an ethnic group, retard. Most of those who died at the hands of Russian army in Chechnya were ethnic Russians speaking pure Russian. Use your brain just for a second.
“Agreed. So… what are you insinuating? That I am using a translator to translate my posts from Russian into English, or the other way around? Inquiring minds want to know. Incidentally, Freud at some point introduced a concept of “projection” – look it up, really enlightening.”
That is EXACTLY what you are doing. Trying to say you know Russian language.
“I didn’t check if it would actually work, but I am willing to bet it wouldn’t - for one simple reason that there is no translator from Bullshit.” How cute, the garbageman want to get into a grammar discussion with me about Russian. Ok, I will amuse myself by proving you wrong once again.
“After some surmising, I have to assume that you were trying to say “Cynical Bastard is a stupid scumbag, so says Russia.”” No. I said: Cynical bastard is a stupid Scumbag - From Russia. Cynical bastard adna typaja cvolotj - ot Rosijii.
With this sentence, I meant to express all of the Russians here think you are a deluded little govnuk.
“Now, leaving aside your lame attempt at kindergarten insults (I guess I was right, you still haven’t graduated from an elementary school for the mentally deficient),”
I know you are to retarded to know the difference, but why did you say I went to elementary school, and now at Kindergarden?
You do understand the age difference to graduate from each one?
“let’s see where you fucked up.”
Yeah, let’s do that.
“Actually, no. It is obvious that you fucked up in every single word; let’s see HOW, instead.”” I am waiting anxiously to see…
“For one thing, if you pretend to use Russian, use the right character set. In that case, it would be Cyrillic. I’ll illustrate that below.” If I want to change character set, I have to press several keys to change. And I can’t be bothered when I have the option to simply write it in latin letters - even though it will look ugly, a native Russian would easily be able to understand.
Plus, no translator could possibly translate Russian on Latin. I’m surprised that you actually know the Russian language (or you just asked someone to translate) though.
““Cynical bastard” would roughly translate into Russian as “циничный ублюдок”,” Hey, you failed at one important rule in all languages: Never translate names. Don’t make me explain why.
Anyway, you FAIL.
“although it does not truly correspond to the English meaning. “Ехидный негодяй” might be better.” Do you understand what Cynical and Exидный even means?
A fitting translation for your name would be “циничный Cyyka” works just fine. That’s basically what you are, btw.
“Then again, whatever shitty translation software you used, it probably does not have either of the words in the dictionary.” Another show of intellegence? Haha!
Incase you are stupid or something, no translation can write Russian or understand Russian of non cyrrilic letters.
““adna” probably means “одна”, literally “one” (fem). Interestingly enough, Russian language does not require this: even though this sort of usage it acceptable, it suggests a calque from English. Again, a hallmark of machine translation.” You are somewhat right, but it is completely acceptable to write and say.
PS. Adna doesn’t mean one, idiot. It means “a” in feminine tense. Using odno would be completely retarded and wrong. But you have no idea what you are talking about.
““topyaja” is presumably “тупая”, “stupid” (fem.), pronounced “too-pAh-ya”. However, being as mangled as it is, it’s hard to guess.” I was too fast writing that. I mixed the letters, and that’s all. I should have written topayja.
PS. тупая isn’t used as stupid. But ridiculously ignorant (Americans are always “topyie” in modern jokes here ;)).
““covolotj”, as I can only surmise, probably means “сволочь”, “svOh-lotch”, “a scumbag”. Again, mangled beyond recognition. The word has a feminine gender in Russian, and I am surprised that you actually got genders correctly.” I mixed the letters when I wrote to fast. Cvolotj I should have written. Quite simple.
““Ot” is a preposition “от”, most commonly taken to mean “from”. In this context, as far as I can guess it, it is to mean “this statement is made by” or “so says”. Literal translation of the statement as “from Russia” appears ambiguous. Capitalization following a dash is inappropriate. In any case, the entire sentence sounds awkward in Russian and should be re-phrased.”
How does it sound ackward? It is completely fluent Russian, if not on an eastern dialect.
PS. What would you have proposed to change”ot” with then? It means from, as you understood.
““Rosiyja” probably means mangled “Россия”, “Russia”. Using a nominative case here is a gross error, since the preposition denotes origin and therefore requires a genitive, “России”.” Ok, I was wrong this one time. But as I said before, I wrote in a great haste, thus I got one mistake.
So what have you proven till now? Nothing?
“We already established that you don’t know English. Shall we add Russian to the list? What’s the third language that you don’t know?” I’m sorry, but you didn’t establish anything. Except that you are wrong.
“What-fucking-ever.” Good that you admit you are worse then a retard.
You ask me for sources? Are you some idiot?
No sources? I take it, you are admitting that everything you said is bullshit. Debate is over. You lose.
P.S. Thank you for making my point for me, here:
“So… why, then, Japan hit Pearl Harbor (ultimately getting its ass kicked big time) in December 1941, while bolsheviks were getting their asses kicked all the way to Moscow? Instead of crushing Russkies in the Far East?”
1. Because Japanese army wasn’t fit to fight in Siberia, but in Pacific campaigns.
2. Because they didn’t need Siberia, they needed resource rich Asia.
Won’t tell you how you managed to royally fuck up here. Try figuring it out with your single remaining brain cell.
Rex, you fucking morone. I’m getting tired of your spam. USSR was imperialist in 1939, yes. But it doesn’t change my point, faggot.
PS. I have no wish for Russia to steam roll Eastern Europe again. And neither does anyone I know. But in your, deluded mind, you think we want to take worthless land.
Idiot.
- “USSR was imperialist in 1939, yes. But it doesn’t change my point” - Somehow I do not feel surprised.
- “you think we want to take worthless land” - (1) may be it is worthless for you, though I doubt it, it has been rather valuable to everyone for centuries; (2) you just ripped away two regions from Georgia and made them integral parts of Russia in everything but a name. So Russia, obviously, has not changed since 1939 very much.
So, talking about “deluded minds”, look at the mirror. Unless, of course, you are f#cking liar, Comrade Kirov.
P.S.
“I’m getting tired of your spam” - Then don’t read it. If you are tired - go have some rest.
Соси лед, ушлепок.
thouse 2 regios wanted to be with russia ever since the collapse of ussr. Infact everyone in south ossetia was given russian citizenship. Georgia attacked south ossetia and it attacked russian citizens. Do you expect russia to just stand by and watch its citizens getting killed (which they did untill 2000 people were killed)
So… where ARE the 2,000 bodies? The latest count of losses is less than 200. Admit, you’re just as full of shit as your Kremlin handlers…
latest count?
the war was way back in august. And the official number is 2000.
i agree with the fact that many people debate if that’s the right number but nobody doubts that the official deathtoll is 2000. for Tshinval with the population of 30000, 2000 dead after 2 days of heavy artillery fire from the hills around the city (Tshinval is in a valley in case you didn’t know)is no surprise.
One more time for the stoopit: where are the 2,000 bodies?
here are 300 that were identified so far
http://www.ossetia-war.com/dvlist
the rest are in pieces or decomposed by the time they were found
http://www.regnum.ru/english/1050769.html
Once again, for the terminally stoopit: where are the 2,000 bodies? The most you have shown so far is 300; I am willing to accept that figure for the sake of the argument. Where are the 1,700 more?
buried somewhere, the list is still growing, it will become closer to 2000 soon, the latest is already 360 and thats already more than what you said by a half, so i am not sure who is bullshitting here.
no one will publish a list of dead people who are unidentified
after 2 days of heavy raining artillery fire on a single city, I doubt anything at all is left of the bodies, but these people are still missing, i wonder why…
the 2000 figure was not made by russians but the S ossetia itself. so all of these provocations about russia exadurating the numbers is bullshit
Oh, so they are BURIED somewhere? And nobody had seen them yet? How, then, Moscow knew that they are there?
http://www.osetinfo.ru/spisok
here is a more up to date list of 360 people
Something makes me to believe that bodies of civilians killed by Russian fire are included and tagged as “victims of Georgian genocide”.
No doubt that all separatist gunmen killed in action are tagged as “innocent civilians”.
And with all that just over 300 bodies?
Not too much for a dreadful “Georgian genocide against Osetians”, I would say.
Basically - no any proof of it. Busted.
google it and you will find a list of 360 identified victims so far.
the rest are probobly in pieces or decomposed by now
Kirov, did Germany declare war on USSR in 22 june 1941?
Its RED!
No it’s BLUE
RED
BLUE
RED
BLUE
BIATCH
ASSHOLE
ETC.
Russia rocks,I’m not Russian,but,Russians PLEASE drop TSAR bomba on New York!!!!
“Yeah, and the Whites were justified in their cruelty, since bolshies started that shit first. In any case, why should I bother providing any sources to you? For one thing, you haven’t provided a single one so far. For the other, you haven’t bothered to check the ones I already offered. Fuck off.” Omg, are you stupid? Nicholas was an arrogant fool, Alexander III was an arrogant, brutal butcher.
They basically asked for a revolution, something you would know if you had a basic knowledge of what you were talking about.
PS. You ask me for sources? Are you some idiot? It’s like asking: PROVE TO ME, THAT GHOSTS DON’T EXIST!!21123″
“I was comparing pre-Nazi Germany to pre-Commie Russia, but since you burned a brain cell, losing half of your mental capacity as a result, the argument was lost on you. Don’t overexert your remaining intellect… or what passes for it, anyways.” How was it lost? A such comparison is completely irrelavent, and is trolling on your part.
PS. If I had 2 braincells, I wouldn’t be able to do anything. Let alone writing intelligent responses to your spam.
You teach science, but fail to even know such simple things? Are you really this retarded??
“Lands EAST of Belarus? Look at a map every once in a while. Assuming you can find Belarus on the map, that is. Hint: on a standard map, west is to the left, east is to the right.” Ok, I made a simple mistake. Go and suck my dick now. What I meant to say was west.
“Soviet Constitution says otherwise. So do Soviet newspapers. So do Soviet actions. I don’t know what ass you pulled that idea out of, and I am not asking for sources, because I am sure you don’t have any.”
Idiot.. Come back when you know what International socialism is. Lenin and Trotsky originally wanted this, but Stalin saw on this as folly.
PS. Soviet constitution says nothing about turning the world communist by force. Idiot.
“No, I am suggesting that there is no appreciable difference between national-socialists (aka Nazis) and international-socialists (aka communists). I also indicated that Hitler participated in a failed communist uprising and did prison time for that. Apparently, this argument is too complex for your single remaining brain cell.” You truly are an idiot. I just lost one of my IQ points reading that.
HITLER TRIED TO TAKE POWER WITH HIS NATIONALIST PARTY, YOU STUPID ASSHOLE! IT IS THE DIRECTLY OPPOSITE THING OF COMMUNISM! CAN YOU UNDERSTAND SUCH SIMPLE FACTS OR NOT???
“So… why, then, Japan hit Pearl Harbor (ultimately getting its ass kicked big time) in December 1941, while bolsheviks were getting their asses kicked all the way to Moscow? Instead of crushing Russkies in the Far East?”
1. Because Japanese army wasn’t fit to fight in Siberia, but in Pacific campaigns.
2. Because they didn’t need Siberia, they needed resource rich Asia.
Learn some basic history, garbage man.
““Prior to the entry of the United States in the war, the Army had only a few tanks.” About 400 of M2s, to be sure. No sources for you, prove me wrong, if you feel like that. And, they were selling them left and right, like Christie designs that Russians ripped off into BT series.”
Ok, so first you claim USA easily kicked the ass of the superpower of the east, and now you say USA didn’t have a chance for war?
What are you, a retard? US and the west were extremely hostile to USSR, along with Japan and the nazis.
“And what army? They got their asses kicked at Dunkirk, for fuck’s sake!” Wow, you are such an idiot. It hurts my head. It really does. Britain was a superpower in that time.
“Suuuuuure. How?” The country was seen upon as the greatest land power in Europe before German’s invasion.
“Nazis were good buddies of Stalin right up to about 0400 on June 22, 1941.” They never were. They had been planning to destroy USSR from day one. They just allied themselves with USSR so they could take care of nations like France.
“And they were fully justified. Wouldn’t be the case if Soviets didn’t fuck with every single one of them. Again, unfortunately, while they had reasons to wage a war, they did not have the capacity to crush bolsheviks once and for all.” I never said they had, idiot. I said all of the world hated USSR because they were communist.
““The only consistent feature of your dysfunctional relationships is YOU.” Get my drift? Or should I spell it out for the stoopit?” Cynical bastard, I’m getting tired of your trolling.
“Fair enough, it did. For conquests. Which is EXACTLY what I was saying from the get-go. Otherwise, there was no reason to have as many tanks as the rest of the world combined.” Idiot, do you understand the concept of mixed and flexible defence (the most efficient way of defending oneself)? Whatever you may think, USSR wasn’t about to invade all of the world.
“Yeah, like which ones? On the other hand, Soviets have certainly done that: it’s Kalashnikov that is shown on the coat of arms and flags of assorted cannibals (Mozambique, Zimbabwe, East Timor, Burkina Faso, Hezbollah, Iranian Revolutionary Guards), not M-16. It’s Kalashnikov that came down in price from 15 to just 4 cows in only 20 years. Incidentally, there are three misspellings in one short sentence. Учи олбанский, падонак.”
Jonas Savimbi and Mobutu are the first that comes to mind.
PS. AK is the most used rifle in the world because:
a. it is the best.
b. It is the cheapest.
c. It is the most produced.
PS. I can say Afrika as much as I want. Иди к черту, cyka.
“Did they shit your pants, too? Incidentally, whoever installed military junta in S. Korea (since we have a controlled experiment here), did a great service to the people there. As for S. America, apparently, they did not throw enough communists out of helicopters.”
Oh, great you are for a genocide of Communists. Now I definitely know you are an idiot.
“Again, the only thing I can fault the U.S. for (commanders acting without proper authority excluded) is not finishing the job.” I bet you are proud of US marines raping women, and then razing their village as well, huh?
“Like that’s a bad thing?” Considering they run around, and chop of people’s arms and take the rest captive, yes I think it is a bad thing, fuckface.
“Oh, so you count indirect deaths? I’ll attribute ALL the WWII deaths to bolsheviks, then. After all, they re-armed Germany that was banned under the Treaty of Versailles from even HAVING tanks. Careful what you wish for: you may receive it.” The Soviets never armed the Germans. Are you an idiot? Seriously, I am asking you. Hitler hated only Jews more then Bolshevics.
“And that, m’friend, is the definition of genocide: “Any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group,” Ok, let the debunking begin.
“as such: killing members of the group (check);” Because of their specific ethnicity? No.
“causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group (check);” FAIL. Never was any specific group targeted like this. They were simply forced to leave their homes, and resettle in empty land (like with the Volga Germans. Stalin thought they may be would cooperate with the Germans, so he shipped them off farther East).
“deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part (check);” Idiot.. Are you saying the Communists tried to kill them off by exposing them to cold or warm weather? Stop making random claims.
Retard.
“imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group (check);” So you are seriously claiming the NVKD actively prevented them from having sex to each other/And or mutilated them?
“[and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group (check).”” That never happened as an organized attempt. Never. Check up your facts.
“Five out of five ain’t bad.”
Zero out of five. You managed to prove absolutely nothing, except that you know nothing of the situation.
“Yeah, and it seems to be succeeding at it, too. Did Nazi Germany try to exterminate itself when Nazis went after Jews?” As an ethnic group, retard. Most of those who died at the hands of Russian army in Chechnya were ethnic Russians speaking pure Russian. Use your brain just for a second.
“Agreed. So… what are you insinuating? That I am using a translator to translate my posts from Russian into English, or the other way around? Inquiring minds want to know. Incidentally, Freud at some point introduced a concept of “projection” – look it up, really enlightening.”
That is EXACTLY what you are doing. Trying to say you know Russian language.
“I didn’t check if it would actually work, but I am willing to bet it wouldn’t - for one simple reason that there is no translator from Bullshit.” How cute, the garbageman want to get into a grammar discussion with me about Russian. Ok, I will amuse myself by proving you wrong once again.
“After some surmising, I have to assume that you were trying to say “Cynical Bastard is a stupid scumbag, so says Russia.”” No. I said: Cynical bastard is a stupid Scumbag - From Russia. Cynical bastard adna typaja cvolotj - ot Rosijii.
With this sentence, I meant to express all of the Russians here think you are a deluded little govnuk.
“Now, leaving aside your lame attempt at kindergarten insults (I guess I was right, you still haven’t graduated from an elementary school for the mentally deficient),”
I know you are to retarded to know the difference, but why did you say I went to elementary school, and now at Kindergarden?
You do understand the age difference to graduate from each one?
“let’s see where you fucked up.”
Yeah, let’s do that.
“Actually, no. It is obvious that you fucked up in every single word; let’s see HOW, instead.”” I am waiting anxiously to see…
“For one thing, if you pretend to use Russian, use the right character set. In that case, it would be Cyrillic. I’ll illustrate that below.” If I want to change character set, I have to press several keys to change. And I can’t be bothered when I have the option to simply write it in latin letters - even though it will look ugly, a native Russian would easily be able to understand.
Plus, no translator could possibly translate Russian on Latin. I’m surprised that you actually know the Russian language (or you just asked someone to translate) though.
““Cynical bastard” would roughly translate into Russian as “циничный ублюдок”,” Hey, you failed at one important rule in all languages: Never translate names. Don’t make me explain why.
Anyway, you FAIL.
“although it does not truly correspond to the English meaning. “Ехидный негодяй” might be better.” Do you understand what Cynical and Exидный even means?
A fitting translation for your name would be “циничный Cyyka” works just fine. That’s basically what you are, btw.
“Then again, whatever shitty translation software you used, it probably does not have either of the words in the dictionary.” Another show of intellegence? Haha!
Incase you are stupid or something, no translation can write Russian or understand Russian of non cyrrilic letters.
““adna” probably means “одна”, literally “one” (fem). Interestingly enough, Russian language does not require this: even though this sort of usage it acceptable, it suggests a calque from English. Again, a hallmark of machine translation.” You are somewhat right, but it is completely acceptable to write and say.
PS. Adna doesn’t mean one, idiot. It means “a” in feminine tense. Using odno would be completely retarded and wrong. But you have no idea what you are talking about.
““topyaja” is presumably “тупая”, “stupid” (fem.), pronounced “too-pAh-ya”. However, being as mangled as it is, it’s hard to guess.” I was too fast writing that. I mixed the letters, and that’s all. I should have written topayja.
PS. тупая isn’t used as stupid. But ridiculously ignorant (Americans are always “topyie” in modern jokes here ;)).
““covolotj”, as I can only surmise, probably means “сволочь”, “svOh-lotch”, “a scumbag”. Again, mangled beyond recognition. The word has a feminine gender in Russian, and I am surprised that you actually got genders correctly.” I mixed the letters when I wrote to fast. Cvolotj I should have written. Quite simple.
““Ot” is a preposition “от”, most commonly taken to mean “from”. In this context, as far as I can guess it, it is to mean “this statement is made by” or “so says”. Literal translation of the statement as “from Russia” appears ambiguous. Capitalization following a dash is inappropriate. In any case, the entire sentence sounds awkward in Russian and should be re-phrased.”
How does it sound ackward? It is completely fluent Russian, if not on an eastern dialect.
PS. What would you have proposed to change”ot” with then? It means from, as you understood.
““Rosiyja” probably means mangled “Россия”, “Russia”. Using a nominative case here is a gross error, since the preposition denotes origin and therefore requires a genitive, “России”.” Ok, I was wrong this one time. But as I said before, I wrote in a great haste, thus I got one mistake.
So what have you proven till now? Nothing?
“We already established that you don’t know English. Shall we add Russian to the list? What’s the third language that you don’t know?” I’m sorry, but you didn’t establish anything. Except that you are wrong.
“What-fucking-ever.” Good that you admit you are worse then a retard.
Oh, yes, mighty Rex the manda says something. I should ignore it, because he is stupider then Cynical bastard.
Bah, my post wont post.. But unlike Cynical Bastard I was smart enough to save it before submitting it, so I’l try again:
“Yeah, and the Whites were justified in their cruelty, since bolshies started that shit first. In any case, why should I bother providing any sources to you? For one thing, you haven’t provided a single one so far. For the other, you haven’t bothered to check the ones I already offered. Fuck off.” Omg, are you stupid? Nicholas was an arrogant fool, Alexander III was an arrogant, brutal butcher.
They basically asked for a revolution, something you would know if you had a basic knowledge of what you were talking about.
PS. You ask me for sources? Are you some idiot? It’s like asking: PROVE TO ME, THAT GHOSTS DON’T EXIST!!21123″
“I was comparing pre-Nazi Germany to pre-Commie Russia, but since you burned a brain cell, losing half of your mental capacity as a result, the argument was lost on you. Don’t overexert your remaining intellect… or what passes for it, anyways.” How was it lost? A such comparison is completely irrelavent, and is trolling on your part.
PS. If I had 2 braincells, I wouldn’t be able to do anything. Let alone writing intelligent responses to your spam.
You teach science, but fail to even know such simple things? Are you really this retarded??
“Lands EAST of Belarus? Look at a map every once in a while. Assuming you can find Belarus on the map, that is. Hint: on a standard map, west is to the left, east is to the right.” Ok, I made a simple mistake. Go and suck my dick now. What I meant to say was west.
“Soviet Constitution says otherwise. So do Soviet newspapers. So do Soviet actions. I don’t know what ass you pulled that idea out of, and I am not asking for sources, because I am sure you don’t have any.”
Idiot.. Come back when you know what International socialism is. Lenin and Trotsky originally wanted this, but Stalin saw on this as folly.
PS. Soviet constitution says nothing about turning the world communist by force. Idiot.
“No, I am suggesting that there is no appreciable difference between national-socialists (aka Nazis) and international-socialists (aka communists). I also indicated that Hitler participated in a failed communist uprising and did prison time for that. Apparently, this argument is too complex for your single remaining brain cell.” You truly are an idiot. I just lost one of my IQ points reading that.
HITLER TRIED TO TAKE POWER WITH HIS NATIONALIST PARTY, YOU STUPID ASSHOLE! IT IS THE DIRECTLY OPPOSITE THING OF COMMUNISM! CAN YOU UNDERSTAND SUCH SIMPLE FACTS OR NOT???
“So… why, then, Japan hit Pearl Harbor (ultimately getting its ass kicked big time) in December 1941, while bolsheviks were getting their asses kicked all the way to Moscow? Instead of crushing Russkies in the Far East?”
1. Because Japanese army wasn’t fit to fight in Siberia, but in Pacific campaigns.
2. Because they didn’t need Siberia, they needed resource rich Asia.
Learn some basic history, garbage man.
““Prior to the entry of the United States in the war, the Army had only a few tanks.” About 400 of M2s, to be sure. No sources for you, prove me wrong, if you feel like that. And, they were selling them left and right, like Christie designs that Russians ripped off into BT series.”
Ok, so first you claim USA easily kicked the ass of the superpower of the east, and now you say USA didn’t have a chance for war?
What are you, a retard? US and the west were extremely hostile to USSR, along with Japan and the nazis.
“And what army? They got their asses kicked at Dunkirk, for fuck’s sake!” Wow, you are such an idiot. It hurts my head. It really does. Britain was a superpower in that time.
“Suuuuuure. How?” The country was seen upon as the greatest land power in Europe before German’s invasion.
“Nazis were good buddies of Stalin right up to about 0400 on June 22, 1941.” They never were. They had been planning to destroy USSR from day one. They just allied themselves with USSR so they could take care of nations like France.
“And they were fully justified. Wouldn’t be the case if Soviets didn’t fuck with every single one of them. Again, unfortunately, while they had reasons to wage a war, they did not have the capacity to crush bolsheviks once and for all.” I never said they had, idiot. I said all of the world hated USSR because they were communist.
““The only consistent feature of your dysfunctional relationships is YOU.” Get my drift? Or should I spell it out for the stoopit?” Cynical bastard, I’m getting tired of your trolling.
“Fair enough, it did. For conquests. Which is EXACTLY what I was saying from the get-go. Otherwise, there was no reason to have as many tanks as the rest of the world combined.” Idiot, do you understand the concept of mixed and flexible defence (the most efficient way of defending oneself)? Whatever you may think, USSR wasn’t about to invade all of the world.
“Yeah, like which ones? On the other hand, Soviets have certainly done that: it’s Kalashnikov that is shown on the coat of arms and flags of assorted cannibals (Mozambique, Zimbabwe, East Timor, Burkina Faso, Hezbollah, Iranian Revolutionary Guards), not M-16. It’s Kalashnikov that came down in price from 15 to just 4 cows in only 20 years. Incidentally, there are three misspellings in one short sentence. Учи олбанский, падонак.”
Jonas Savimbi and Mobutu are the first that comes to mind.
PS. AK is the most used rifle in the world because:
a. it is the best.
b. It is the cheapest.
c. It is the most produced.
PS. I can say Afrika as much as I want. Иди к черту, cyka.
“Did they shit your pants, too? Incidentally, whoever installed military junta in S. Korea (since we have a controlled experiment here), did a great service to the people there. As for S. America, apparently, they did not throw enough communists out of helicopters.”
Oh, great you are for a genocide of Communists. Now I definitely know you are an idiot.
“Again, the only thing I can fault the U.S. for (commanders acting without proper authority excluded) is not finishing the job.” I bet you are proud of US marines raping women, and then razing their village as well, huh?
“Like that’s a bad thing?” Considering they run around, and chop of people’s arms and take the rest captive, yes I think it is a bad thing, fuckface.
“Oh, so you count indirect deaths? I’ll attribute ALL the WWII deaths to bolsheviks, then. After all, they re-armed Germany that was banned under the Treaty of Versailles from even HAVING tanks. Careful what you wish for: you may receive it.” The Soviets never armed the Germans. Are you an idiot? Seriously, I am asking you. Hitler hated only Jews more then Bolshevics.
“And that, m’friend, is the definition of genocide: “Any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group,” Ok, let the debunking begin.
“as such: killing members of the group (check);” Because of their specific ethnicity? No.
“causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group (check);” FAIL. Never was any specific group targeted like this. They were simply forced to leave their homes, and resettle in empty land (like with the Volga Germans. Stalin thought they may be would cooperate with the Germans, so he shipped them off farther East).
“deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part (check);” Idiot.. Are you saying the Communists tried to kill them off by exposing them to cold or warm weather? Stop making random claims.
Retard.
“imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group (check);” So you are seriously claiming the NVKD actively prevented them from having sex to each other/And or mutilated them?
“[and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group (check).”” That never happened as an organized attempt. Never. Check up your facts.
“Five out of five ain’t bad.”
Zero out of five. You managed to prove absolutely nothing, except that you know nothing of the situation.
“Yeah, and it seems to be succeeding at it, too. Did Nazi Germany try to exterminate itself when Nazis went after Jews?” As an ethnic group, retard. Most of those who died at the hands of Russian army in Chechnya were ethnic Russians speaking pure Russian. Use your brain just for a second.
“Agreed. So… what are you insinuating? That I am using a translator to translate my posts from Russian into English, or the other way around? Inquiring minds want to know. Incidentally, Freud at some point introduced a concept of “projection” – look it up, really enlightening.”
That is EXACTLY what you are doing. Trying to say you know Russian language.
“I didn’t check if it would actually work, but I am willing to bet it wouldn’t - for one simple reason that there is no translator from Bullshit.” How cute, the garbageman want to get into a grammar discussion with me about Russian. Ok, I will amuse myself by proving you wrong once again.
“After some surmising, I have to assume that you were trying to say “Cynical Bastard is a stupid scumbag, so says Russia.”” No. I said: Cynical bastard is a stupid Scumbag - From Russia. Cynical bastard adna typaja cvolotj - ot Rosijii.
With this sentence, I meant to express all of the Russians here think you are a deluded little govnuk.
“Now, leaving aside your lame attempt at kindergarten insults (I guess I was right, you still haven’t graduated from an elementary school for the mentally deficient),”
I know you are to retarded to know the difference, but why did you say I went to elementary school, and now at Kindergarden?
You do understand the age difference to graduate from each one?
“let’s see where you fucked up.”
Yeah, let’s do that.
“Actually, no. It is obvious that you fucked up in every single word; let’s see HOW, instead.”” I am waiting anxiously to see…
“For one thing, if you pretend to use Russian, use the right character set. In that case, it would be Cyrillic. I’ll illustrate that below.” If I want to change character set, I have to press several keys to change. And I can’t be bothered when I have the option to simply write it in latin letters - even though it will look ugly, a native Russian would easily be able to understand.
Plus, no translator could possibly translate Russian on Latin. I’m surprised that you actually know the Russian language (or you just asked someone to translate) though.
““Cynical bastard” would roughly translate into Russian as “циничный ублюдок”,” Hey, you failed at one important rule in all languages: Never translate names. Don’t make me explain why.
Anyway, you FAIL.
“although it does not truly correspond to the English meaning. “Ехидный негодяй” might be better.” Do you understand what Cynical and Exидный even means?
A fitting translation for your name would be “циничный Cyyka” works just fine. That’s basically what you are, btw.
“Then again, whatever shitty translation software you used, it probably does not have either of the words in the dictionary.” Another show of intellegence? Haha!
Incase you are stupid or something, no translation can write Russian or understand Russian of non cyrrilic letters.
““adna” probably means “одна”, literally “one” (fem). Interestingly enough, Russian language does not require this: even though this sort of usage it acceptable, it suggests a calque from English. Again, a hallmark of machine translation.” You are somewhat right, but it is completely acceptable to write and say.
PS. Adna doesn’t mean one, idiot. It means “a” in feminine tense. Using odno would be completely retarded and wrong. But you have no idea what you are talking about.
““topyaja” is presumably “тупая”, “stupid” (fem.), pronounced “too-pAh-ya”. However, being as mangled as it is, it’s hard to guess.” I was too fast writing that. I mixed the letters, and that’s all. I should have written topayja.
PS. тупая isn’t used as stupid. But ridiculously ignorant (Americans are always “topyie” in modern jokes here ;)).
““covolotj”, as I can only surmise, probably means “сволочь”, “svOh-lotch”, “a scumbag”. Again, mangled beyond recognition. The word has a feminine gender in Russian, and I am surprised that you actually got genders correctly.” I mixed the letters when I wrote to fast. Cvolotj I should have written. Quite simple.
““Ot” is a preposition “от”, most commonly taken to mean “from”. In this context, as far as I can guess it, it is to mean “this statement is made by” or “so says”. Literal translation of the statement as “from Russia” appears ambiguous. Capitalization following a dash is inappropriate. In any case, the entire sentence sounds awkward in Russian and should be re-phrased.”
How does it sound ackward? It is completely fluent Russian, if not on an eastern dialect.
PS. What would you have proposed to change”ot” with then? It means from, as you understood.
““Rosiyja” probably means mangled “Россия”, “Russia”. Using a nominative case here is a gross error, since the preposition denotes origin and therefore requires a genitive, “России”.” Ok, I was wrong this one time. But as I said before, I wrote in a great haste, thus I got one mistake.
So what have you proven till now? Nothing?
“We already established that you don’t know English. Shall we add Russian to the list? What’s the third language that you don’t know?” I’m sorry, but you didn’t establish anything. Except that you are wrong.
“What-fucking-ever.” Good that you admit you are worse then a retard.
Kirov!i can`t understand!! ! ! ! ! ! !please give us “some”details about these historical events! ! ! ! ! ! ! !.
Bah, my post refuses to post!
“Bah, my post refuses to post!”
Possibly they are so incompetent, that server chokes on them. No?
OK, just kidding.
The posts are getting so long that it is not possible to read them anymore, so possibly this is time to quit this fruitless conversation.
Bah, you ARE a retard…
Utterly ahistoric but quite classic fascist / anticommunist agitation to try to make “Vernichtungskrieg” against “slawische Untermenschen” for “Lebensraum im Osten” look like preemptive, inevitable defensive operations. No serious german scholar, no serious scholar anywhere theorizes such rotten bullshit. But of course that fits quite well those communism = fascism / NS - clowns around the world. As if hammer and sickle were swung for murdering. Quite a poor mind needed for imagining that reasonable people would be made believe those revisionist / anti-civilizing insults to even the most eclectic wits.
blah blah …
“Eyes wide closed”, eh?
By the way:
- ““Vernichtungskrieg” against “slawische Untermenschen” for “Lebensraum im Osten”” does not exclude “preemptive, inevitable defensive operations”, if need would be.
- It also does not exclude a possibility that the other side would have their own plans on World domination or at least Communist Europe to the Atlantic.
- “no serious scholar” - i.e. none whom YOU define as such.
Actually, I believe that both parties - Nazis and Bolshies were preparing to take each other by the throat, but concentration of Red Army at the German border after hurried occupation of the states, designated as belonging to Soviet sphere of interest, accelerated the process and possibly provoked immediate German attack which otherwise could have taken place at a later stage, or even Soviets would have managed to attack first. There is also a certain possibility that both sides could have continued cooperation and turned against Western democracies instead. This plan was discussed in German press in 1940.
And - yeas - Nazism (national-socialists) and Bolshevism (international-socialists)were twins. And you can stuck your pinkie thousand page academic research, proving why it is not so, up your ass, because it contradicts the reality as it was and the results we all have. “If it sings like goose and looks like goose it is goose”. Period.
Talking of “poor mind” and “revisionist / anti-civilizing insults” - you should be a real asshole.
P.S.
“As if hammer and sickle were swung for murdering.”
Hah! As if swastika hadn’t been a sign of luck and happiness for millennia.
I should.. Yow funney! The “Präventivkriegsthese” and its revisionist brown ones just qualify by themselves in the eye of the non-fascist beholder. I’m not defining anything, why would I? You’re not interested in relevance.
Чиво? Не понял. Шибко умно.
Let me guess - I believe “utterly ahistoric” in your interpretation means something that you can not find in “Большая Советская Энциклопедия” (”Great Soviet Encyclopedia”) or the epic works of so called “historians” from Deutsche Demokratische Republik, educated in Moscow?
History’s so much better understood.. at least here in Greater Western Germany .
But of course we’ve got our share in revisionists and anticommunists selling this fascist bogus here as well – just to be clear.
- Talking about “history better understood” I must point out that nations who suffered both from Nazis and Communists may have “better” understanding, more “multilateral” understanding. Do not you see a sense here?
- “Greater Western Germany”, yeah, right, which now incorporates also all the so called “historians” from Deutsche Demokratische Republik, educated in Moscow. While their rightly deserved place would be in Nuremberg 2 trials for Communist crimes instead.
- “anticommunists selling [...] fascist bogus” talk kinda shows what type of person you are. Rot Front! Non Pasaran! type of Red shit.
Just try to find your non- “Rot Front” -kind of scholars supporting your and cynical bastards silly agitation here in Western Germany where our grandfathers started the Nationalsozialismus, den totalen Krieg, die “Endlösung” und den Vernichtungskrieg gegen die “slawischen Untermenschen”.
Not even here in the country of the offenders and the aggression where there would be awareness and evidence of the “Präventivkrieg” of your fascist / neo-fascist / anticommunist propaganda, here where there are still more than enough Völkische of all ages, not even here you could find any valid, cisfascist support.
Anticommunist support of course you’d find, just as you’d still find holocaust-denial and the like. Those are beliefs and crimes, not opinions. And you’re just another believer or criminal.
Jeeee!
Seems that to you “anticommunist” = “fascist” = “neo-fascist” = “holocaust-denier”.
What a bizarre raving mad Red Fanatic you seem to be, man.
Complete Commmie brainf#ck! Hopeless.
I used to think that totalitarian dinosaurs like that died out after fall of the Berlin Wall. I am very sorry that life keeps proving me to be wrong. Stupidity of the people is eternal indeed.
“another believer or criminal” - I am neither one or another. Unlike you I can see evil done not only by Nazis, but by Bolsheviks too. And hating Communists does not make me think that Nazis were nice guys, though this idea probably is beyond your comprehension, because you see the world in black and white and there are only two sides for you - 1) Forces of Light = Communists and 2) Forces of Darkness = Fascists (aka Anti-Communists). And - most important - Fascists are all who are not Communists. Of course all Anti-Communists are fascists in your world. You, for example, can not imagine that there may be Liberal Democrats or even Social Democrats who are Anti Communists.
To me it is absolutely complete mystery how a sensible and honest person may not be Anti-Communist after all the evil and suffering Commies have brought into this world in the last century. If you can not get it, you are either mean on stupid. Most likely the second to the extend of the first.
You propagate or believe in those “theories” of a preemptive german attack as others propagate or believe in holocaust denial. And you’re trying to make people think that communism were stalinism, misanthropic, bloody, whatever. Time to look up the words! The world around that knows so much better you call all kinds of names instead. Well, yeah..
Your quite well known lies and cynical bastard’s lies (or beliefs, as said) are utterly ahistoric revisionist and anticommunist propaganda. That’s a matter of fact, reviewable by anyone out there.
But of course lots of words to look up for you again. And when you’re done step up and find out what NS was all about and communism wasn’t. Not even stalinism was. (By the way: Communists among the first were eliminated by Stalin. Eliminated for being communists.)
Mein Kampf
Vernichtungskrieg
“Slawische Untermenschen”
“Herrenrasse”
“Jüdisch-bolschewistische Weltverschwörung”
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NS was a crime from the beginning.
Communism until now never existed at all. And maybe won’t come until 2017
- “You propagate or believe” - so do I propagate or do I believe? or is that the same to you? actually I do not propagate anything. and I just point out interesting though well known facts. For example, Mr. Molotov admitting indirectly, that there WAS concentration of Russian troops at the border with Germany. Just a fact. Interesting, isn’t it?
- ““theories” of a preemptive German attack”. Aren’t you aware that preemptive strike is very common in military strategy? nothing unusual. nothing to make fuss about unless you have special reasons. besides I did not say that Nazis wouldn’t have attacked otherwise. that seems to have been their plan for a while. still this does not exclude the obvious observation that concentration of Red Army on German border after it had occupied countries in its “sphere of influence” made Nazis nervous and might have actually triggered the attack. None of above excludes in any way the observations, that USSR itself was preparing for war in West, i.e. for conquest of the Europe.
- “as others propagate or believe in holocaust denial” - 1) thou should not compare incomparable things 2) mentioning ” holocaust denial” here looks to be a dirty trick to smear your opponent. are you sure you did not have that intention?
- did not get the rest of your paragraph. something about Communism being nice and everything that it was in the real world not being Communism at all, if I get it right.
- “ahistoric” as being not in line with “official” history, especially in that part which is written by the Stalinist brain washers.
- “anticommunist”. Yes. I am Anti-Communist. And proud of it. If you are not, you are either a fool or a criminal.
- “Communists among the first were eliminated by Stalin”. Wrong. Communists basically were in power in USSR until 1991. And stop that shit about Stalin not being “real” Communist. If USSR, Stalin and Komintern were not real Communists, Hitler also was not a “real” Nazi and also, ” just spoiled a good idea” as you normally say.
- You say Stalin “killed Communists”, in fact he did, he killed everyone who opposed him, if that makes him less Communists, remember the Night of Long Knives and Hitler ordering killing of Nazi high ranked officials. Did that make him less Nazi? Bullshit!
- “Eliminated for being communists” Ha Ha!!! What a complete and utterly unbelievable bullshit!!! Yes, he killed the “Lenin’s Old Guard”, the old Bolsheviks. And a lot of other people whom he saw as a threat.
- And don’t try to tell me that Communism was nice because it was all about common good and happiness. It was all deceiving, a nice facade having little common with reality. Militarism, aggressive wars, totalitarian control, “thought police”, executions without trial, death camps, hunger, fear, poverty. That is what it was in reality. If all that was masked with nice words about better world for everyone - so what? That is what made that system even more disgusting. But it paid off. Because, the Nazis, you see, did not hide their actual intentions and so received very much less sympathy. Communists were much smarter.
- “Communism until now never existed at all” - So why we are talking about it, if it never existed? For a non-existing thing it was frighteningly real.
But seems that you are living in your happy Real Communist Wonderland of fairies and unicorns, so there is not really much sens to talk to you about anything that actually exists. Total out-of-this-world Fanatic.
Already backing up on your telltale rotten “Präventivkriegsthese”?
Discussing communism with you is actually as stupid as talking to Radio Maria. Just look up “communism”. Definitely still to be done.
Facts: Red Army wasn’t prepared to fight the NS / Wehrmacht at all, neither in a defensive nor a preemptive war. Red Army actually had still been left quite headless and far from being in a buildup like the german one of the Wehrmacht.
Soviet intelligence of course knew well enough that the Soviet Union sooner or later would be attacked by Germany. Not all Soviets were drunken all the time.
Communists of course knew, they were to be attacked early in NS Germany’s fight for world dominance.
Not every individual Slav, Roma, Sinti, whatever knew in advance that she or he was to be eliminated or enslaved (Vernichtung durch Arbeit) for her or his “race” of course. But even the Vernichtungskrieg wasn’t completely unknown.
Naturally there were preemptive ideas, proposals and concepts in soviet staff. There had to be. Especially facing above. Not all Soviets were drunken all the time..
Stalin himself didn’t want to believe in the acute threat for too long even to have the Red Army prepare considerably for the Great Patriotic War.
Neither soviet nor german archives support the “Präventivkriegsthese”, this inverse “reasoning” which is a well known piece of propaganda and belief system of revisionists and mislead ordinary idiots.
The actual aggression against the Soviet Union is known quite in detail. Again: Anyone’s free to look up at least the basics to pretend some interest in history. The same as with interest in communism and rejection of fascism, nationalisim, anticommunism..
- “Already backing up” Where? Read my previous posts and filter out what I DID SAY and what you ADDED on your own right out of your sick head.
- “Just look up “communism”” You sound like one of those idiots who plaster their eyes over with quotes from Marx and various kinds of wise books. Living in virtual paper reality instead of actual world. And if you will happen to step in a dog poop and someone will point that out to you, you will feel insulted and tell him that he is stupid, talking nonsense, and he has to look up definition of dog shit in encyclopedia before opening his mouth.
- “Facts: Red Army wasn’t prepared to fight the NS / Wehrmacht at all [...etc]“ These “facts” are not facts but interpretation of facts, AN OPINION, AN OFFICIAL STANCE, especially cultivated in USSR. Read Viktor Suvorov for example. He mentions a lot of interesting facts proving that this point of view is either wrong of at least incomplete.
The rest of your post is blah blah.
- “Stalin himself didn’t want to believe in the acute threat for too long even to have the Red Army prepare considerably for the Great Patriotic War.” Oh, yeah. Because he was busy expanding his empire (Poland, Bessarabia, Finland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia) and planning for future victories. He just did not that anyone would dare to attack him. Especially not the current friend and partner and potential long term target Adolf Hitler. Overconfident, that’s what you call it.
- “Naturally there were preemptive ideas, proposals and concepts in soviet staff. There had to be” - “Neither soviet nor german archives support the Präventivkriegsthese”. So you admit that there were plans, but that does not matter? So there is a paper trail, but someone told you, that it does not mean anything?
For 50 years USSR were hiding and denying existence of secret addendum to the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact of 1939 on division of spheres of influence in Europe. If there would not have been Yeltsin who admitted its existence, Russia would still be denying it.
So much for “archives” you mention. So much for “archives” supporting anything. Especially KGB managed archives.
Besides, when in 1939 Germans were “re-patriated” from Baltic countries, they believed that they will return along with Wermacht the very next year. So if even the ordinary German emigrants “knew” it, why Stalin was not worrying? Did not he know about similar rumors? Of course he knew, but he believed that he will beat the old Adolf and will have the main battle at the place and time of his choosing. Only he failed.
- “Anyone’s free to look up at least the basics to pretend some interest in history”. As we all know it too well, the history and especially the modern history is basically INTERPRETATION of the facts, and not just the facts themselves. And ugly facts are covered with denial and fakes. Especially to where it comes to decisions of parties. It is tied tightly together with the current politics and ideology. So it is good to always take it with a bit of salt, and use some “reasoning”, which you are so much against.
P.S. Observations:
1) You are talking about “Great Patriotic War” (Russian favorite subject)
2) You support Stalin’s version of history established in 1930-40-ies
3) You are a keen Communist
4) To you fascism = nationalism = anticommunism
5) You obviously use term “nationalisim” in Soviet/Russian sense, meaning “chauvinism”, while most of the other people take it for meaning “patriotism”.
6) You believe that being Anti-Communist is all too bad.
All of this makes me think that you are either
a) Russian educated citizen of DDR, possibly the one who has had some good status during the Communist regime, possibly married to ex-Soviet citizen
b) Former Soviet citizen with Communist world view, now living in Germany.
c) or maybe just Russian, posing as a foreigner.
What do you say?
I have met in reality some guys of both kinds “a” and “b” . It is rather disgusting experience. Especially former Commie East-Germans seem to be totally wasted. Possibly direct transit from National-Socialism to International-Socialism, nearly century of totalitarian regime, has turned their brains into a green slime. Utterly hopeless zombies.
Ha!
You say
1) “Communists among the first were eliminated by Stalin”.
and then
2) - “Communism until now never existed at all”
So you think that Stalin eliminated something that never existed?
Nice.
Individual communists vs. “communism” (and vs. communism):
Not even the same words, right?
Oh, Gosh. It is getting Curioser and Curioser…
Now we are going to wrestle about definitions. Trying to prove that *ism was good, because there is difference between “communism”, communism, Communism and individual Communists (or was that communists, or ” communists”?)???
If you have to resort to highly pseudo-academic nonsense demagogy to prove that something obviously evil in all practical terms was kinda actually good, then - you know what? - FUCK YOU, snake!!!
Sure, kremlin’s estimations were a bit too high, but still, 700 Ossetians died, you retard.
PS. Do you believe that the world was created in 7 days by God? If you do, you don’t deserve the ph.d in science you have.
Your source? Now, how many of them were killed by the Russian savages?
No I do not. Shit, this is fucking scary, I actually agree with Kirov on something. But you should; tiny minds usually do.
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1) Cursing and insulting is the best way to undermine your reputation and the views you represent.
2) Comparing uncomparable things and proving advantage of one is very clever demagogue.
For example: USSR had before second world war 24.000 tanks and 1 millon air dessant troops etc. BUT today USA annual military budget is 600 billion dollars.
Is it comparable somehow? Value of money has changed and the way how the money is earned has changed. And suddenly we are not comparing the Germany and USSR anymore. We are comparing USA today and USSR back then.
Why not to compare ancient Egypt and todays Russia?
), ammunition, aeroplanes, navy, etc etc.
But if we continue the comparision, just for fun, then
we see that modern tank (Leopard 2, T-80) today costs 4 million $ and USA 2008 military budget was 711 billion $. 711 000/4=177750 tanks.
USA today could build 177750 tanks for budget money IF he doesn’t spend a cent for wages (USSR did not pay salary to his army - everybody volunteered
What would Stalins WWII army cost today? His army of 1941 was modern in standards of 1941.
Wikipedia:”During the Great Patriotic War, the Red Army conscripted 29,574,900 men in addition to the 4,826,907 in service at the beginning of the war. = 34,401,807.”
Imagine what would cost all this equipment and weaponry, cannons, food, silk of the million parachutes etc. today?
“Well, today the high-tech makes all the fighting, not manpower. The submarines, missile defence and joint strike fighter takes lots of money, but they are lot mightier than manpower..” - you might answer. And you are right, and conclusion about USSR in 1941 is…?
Anyway, thats why comparing uncomparable is leading to absurds and doesn’t lead anywhere. Only stirrs up emotions.
Check out Russo/Ossetian investigation.
PS. Nearly nill, if you wanted to know. Russian forces behaved professionally and acted effectively, crushing the US armed and trained Georgian army.
Haha. Very funny.
What, you disagree? Unlike US air force obliterating entire villages in Afghanistan, Georgian civilian casualties were very small (around 40-50 dead I think).
There is nothing to disagree with: you have not supplied any facts. All you got is a bunch of bullshit assertions. The usual, in short.
Cynical Bastard, are you still angry I debunked all your BS?
No, m’friend, I’m just indifferent, since you haven’t said anything that wasn’t utter bullshit.
What I said is “bullshit” only to rednecks like you, and nationalist Poles like Rex.
what-fucking-ever.
@ clown REx
You propagate or believe in those “theories” of a preemptive german attack as others propagate or believe in holocaust denial. And you’re trying to make people think that communism were stalinism, misanthropic, bloody, whatever. Time to look up the words! The world around that knows so much better you call all kinds of names instead. Well, yeah..
Your quite well known lies and cynical bastard’s lies (or beliefs, as said) are utterly ahistoric revisionist and anticommunist propaganda. Matter of fact, reviewable by anyone out there.
But of course lots of words to look up for you again. And when you’re done step up and find out what NS was all about and communism wasn’t. Not even stalinism was. (By the way: Communists among the first were eliminated by Stalin. Eliminated for being communists.)
Mein Kampf
Vernichtungskrieg
“Slawische Untermenschen”
“Herrenrasse”
“Jüdisch-bolschewistische Weltverschwörung”
.
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NS was a crime from the beginning.
Communism until now never existed at all. And maybe won’t come until 2017
Anyway, just try to find your non- “Rot Front” -kind of scholars supporting your and cynical bastards silly agitation here in Western Germany where our grandfathers started the Nationalsozialismus, den totalen Krieg, die “Endlösung” und den Vernichtungskrieg gegen die “slawischen Untermenschen”.
Not even here in the country of the offenders and the aggression where there would be awareness and evidence of the “Präventivkrieg” of your fascist / neo-fascist / anticommunist propaganda, here where there are still more than enough Völkische of all ages, not even here you could find any valid, cisfascist support.
Anticommunist support of course you’d find, just as you’d still find holocaust-denial and the like. Those are beliefs and crimes, not opinions. And you’re just another believer or criminal.
Me? Born in Munich, went to school in Dachau. At least half of the family were Nazis. Not a relative but kind of a false grand-uncle, whatever the terms would be, was an Eichberger, kind of “der Eichmann der Sinti und Roma” according to their survivors.
You? … Citing Suvorov!
Done.
Feeling guilty of your family? Possibly taking it over the edge a bit. Neurosis?
And - knowing a lot about Nazis without any first hand knowledge about the other parties, namely Stalinist Bolsheviks and their deeds, hardly qualifies you as an expert.
If only you would want to see how many “kind of “der Eichmann der X und Y”” were there on the Soviet side. But does not seem that you care.
Very one-sided (one-eyed) vision of reality, eclipsed by personal psychological problems.
While it rather well illustrates the position of modern Western Europe - ignorance mixed with guilt, leading to stubborn clinging to dubious beliefs, ignoring the obvious, “tunnel vision” and simple solutions to complex problems. Sancta simplicitas.
Talk about “knowing better”….
P.S.
You know what one Russian, living in Germany, told me once, when I mentioned Soviet occupations of part of Poland, Romania and the three Baltic states? He replied - “Yes, but you see, if USSR wouldn’t have occupied them, Germany would”. Fantastic! Kinda: “Yes, I killed him, but just because the other guy would have done that, so that’s OK”.
Do you think that all the nations of USSR and Soviet occupied Eastern Europe were more fit to die in Soviet death camps than Jews and Gypsies were fit to die in Nazi death camps? Seems so. I can hardly remember any modern day European politician talking about Soviet mass murders as much as 1% from what they talk about murdering of Jews by Nazis.
People from the Eastern Europe just do not qualify humans enough for you, or what? Why Nazis killing people are bad for you, but Bolsheviks killing (more) people are not?
Teach me history, leftist bastard.
Read what I wrote to not have to ask me to explain what I didn’t write.
Given up on your präventivkriegsthese and your system of belief now that the name of Suvorov came out?
How does that link to my post?
I do not get the meaning of your message. You might try to express yourself a bit clearer.
Or are you on weed?
Or did you try to say that it is OK to kill people if the idea is nice? (Even if it is idea which is unrealistic and can not be implemented, but still it is OK to try and kill, spoil, destroy for just in case one day it might work and everyone suddenly will become happy.)
Or you want to say that Communism does not exist because all the adherents of Communism have not yet finished their job (of bringing over the Happiness For All (Survivors)) by violent means?).
Frankly, I believe that you are crazy. Either in cynical sense of the word or just so much detached from reality and in into outlandish theories, that it hardly matters.
You are crazy.
And dangerous.
Never mind, you’re in no way capable of giving satisfaction but I appreciate your clueless exhibitionist propaganda as it is. I know you don’t get it, you don’t get anything. You cite Suvorov! Same sign of a weak mind as speculating about your counterpart to make a case.
Try another one – Marx said: “Je ne suis pas marxiste.” many a times. Think about that. And look up communism. And look up nazism.
Ever heard of non-communist dictatorships? Capitalist dictatorships? Tsarist massacres? The camps that the russian purple operated?
Ah, wait, of course you have! Do you want an apple, stupid? At least you’re no christian, I understand. Can we talk of christianity as you think of communism? After all Christianism’s connex to 70-80 million deaths in southern and central america including full-grown christian genocides for example is unrivalled by any connex between communism and dictatorship you could ever dream of insinuating. But I still don’t expect you to even remotely understand. Unfortunately until now no gods ever existed.
seems to me you guys are beating dead horses.
the world is an awful place to live if one is weak. Bullies, of every religion, race, political organization, you name it, have been and will continue to take advantage, anyway possible, to get what they want.
I have tried to read thru these posts and find it amazing,
the arguments that are tossed about, the statements that are made. just prove that the fuel for fire is out there, just waiting for a spark to ignite and start the whole mess all over again. It’s always the same, no matter who grabs the land, the resources, the access to trade routes. I thought the socialist/communist was a sharing system, but it’s not. Capitalism wears you down with it’s constant demands to stay ahead, just miss a payment or two and you can lose everything, It’s no cakewalk here in the States. The more influence one has the bigger the crimes one can commit and get away with. it’s always been this way? In most every culture that creates an empire, Empires are created on the backs of others, the weak, the uneducated, the hopeless, the naive.
Every empire that goes up, must eventually come down, it’s what we do as humans, and for most of us, we spend so little time on the earth, who can really figure what is going on, what is the big picture? Propaganda flows everywhere, lieing to everyone, we are all victims of our own short sightedness. And we prove it by babbling about who’s dictator was better, who’s government killed more people, took more prisoners or not.
I cam to this site to learn things of Russia, someone from my family came from Moscow, via Poland, back before most of the things you guys argue about occurred. You guys sound like i’m listening to people here argue about the American Civil war as if they were still going to go out and begin fighting it all over again, only this time it would be different? Some of you sound like you just like to argue, and don’t care about what the results will be. I will continue to visit the site, i like it, the pictures, the silly debates, it gives me a small space in the frosted glass to look thru and wonder how i might have been or even if i would have been had my ancestors stayed.
Moskowitz
You are right.
Possibly the vise thing to do would be just throw out of the head all this politics/history stuff. It is never possible to step into the same river twice, so why argue. Possibly the next time something like this happens the roles will be reversed, so why argue.
For me the reason to argue is that past event affect present decision making and thus affects future. And I hate to see that incorrect (in my opinion) or unjust decisions are made based on what I consider to be wrong, incomplete or biased information. And that hangmen are greeted as heroes, just because they were at the “right side”.
Possibly it is not smart to take politics so close to heart, because politics is such a mess. Possibly smarter thing to do is to have a beer or two and go out with friends. That clears your head and direct attention to more earthly matters. Why should you give a sh*it about things you basically can not change (except for by voting for someone who can).
So, f#ck this.
P.S.
Yeah, and f#ck Commies too…
Afterthought:
Imagine:
A pile of dead mutilated bodies in a pool of blood, steaming in cold East-European spring. Dozens of them. Men and women. Hands tied on their backs, skulls crashed, arms and breasts chopped off, eyes poked, bullet holes everywhere. Terrified local people digging through the cadavers looking for their missing relatives.
blingo stands next to the pile of corpses, boots splashed with blood, ENCYCLOPEDIA in his hand. Turning pages. Suddenly he rises his head and shouts out in joy : ” Hey, folks!!! Relax! I LOOKED UP ” CUMMUNISM”! IT’S OKAY!!!!!!” 8))
Niemand hat die Absicht, den Revisionisten die Revolution nahezubringen. Wir wollen die Begegnung. ..und die Hälse schnüren zu, schnüren zu.
I’m sorry. Here in the U.S. we don’t have the traditional custom of the Ship of Fools. In order to keep our fools busy so they stay out of trouble, we let them run loose on the internet.
Bullshit!
9000 rub ($250) is the maximum pension.
Still perhaps slavich grandpa had been a KGB general.
No connection yet. But we might want to look up “socialism” as in eastern european branches of collaboration with NS forming over the autochthonous antisemitism, antiziganism.. and their pogroms. Strictly anticommunist collaboration with NS forming over the strictly anticommunist autochthonous antisemitism, antiziganism.. and their pogroms that were.
And sometimes catholic. Catholic as the christian genocides of so many of the 70 to 80 million indigenous deaths in the southern two of the three Americas.
But no, the latter would be wrong. Those were truely catholic – not just a connection of RExoid versions..
[...] en jefe de el ejercito nazi en la zona rusa, la victoria era cuestión de unos pocos meses. Entre esos planes estaba el llegar a Moscú, durante el invierno de 1941, ( la operación empezó en verano de ese mismo año [...]
Don’t you think they did their homework after that?
Первый день второй мировой не 22.06.41, а 01.09.39.
First day of WWII wasn’t 06/22/41. It was 09/01/39.
Photo No. 16 rather looks like the Germans defeated close to Moscow. There’s a lot of such upon completion of Moscow Battle.
La mas grande batalla de la segunda guerra mundial. Buenas las fotos
And who is better Nazzi or Soviet Union?
Hi dude, I love your site. With the abundance of misinformation regarding this subject on the internet, it’s great to see some refreshing content. Keep up the great work!
If there weren’t nazis then SU-s west border would be at La Manche Bay! For and evel you need to have evel on oposite side.
Ossetia told them
uh-huh, and I can tell everyone here that one “slavich” killed 20,000. No, better yet, 200,000. But, unless I can produce bodies, that would be a load of bull. Habeas corpus, m’friend, “must have the body”.
Right.
And that is where we come to the point.
“Ossetia told” a lot of things.
99% of that turned out to be lies.
Not just lies, but utterly stupid laughable crude cynical fabrications.
Me? Born in Munich, went to school in Dachau. At least half of the family were Nazis. Not a relative but kind of a false grand-uncle, whatever the terms would be, was an Eichberger, kind of “der Eichmann der Sinti und Roma” according to their survivors.
You? … Citing Suvorov!
Done.
Ever heard of non-communist dictatorships? Capitalist dictatorships? Tsarist massacres? The camps that the russian purple operated?
Ah, wait, of course you have! Do you want an apple, stupid? At least you’re no christian, I understand. Can we talk of christianity as you think of communism? After all Christianism’s connex to 70-80 million deaths in southern and central america including full-grown christian genocides for example is unrivalled by any connex between communism and dictatorship you could ever dream of insinuating. But I still don’t expect you to even remotely understand. Unfortunately until now no gods ever existed.
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Feeling guilty of your family? Possibly taking it over the edge a bit. Neurosis?
And - knowing a lot about Nazis without any first hand knowledge about the other parties, namely Stalinist Bolsheviks and their deeds, hardly qualifies you as an expert.
If only you would want to see how many “kind of “der Eichmann der X und Y”” were there on the Soviet side. But does not seem that you care.
Very one-sided (one-eyed) vision of reality, eclipsed by personal psychological problems.
While it rather well illustrates the position of modern Western Europe - ignorance mixed with guilt, leading to stubborn clinging to dubious beliefs, ignoring the obvious, “tunnel vision” and simple solutions to complex problems. Sancta simplicitas.
Talk about “knowing better”….
P.S.
You know what one Russian, living in Germany, told me once, when I mentioned Soviet occupations of part of Poland, Romania and the three Baltic states? He replied - “Yes, but you see, if USSR wouldn’t have occupied them, Germany would”. Fantastic! Kinda: “Yes, I killed him, but just because the other guy would have done that, so that’s OK”.
Do you think that all the nations of USSR and Soviet occupied Eastern Europe were more fit to die in Soviet death camps than Jews and Gypsies were fit to die in Nazi death camps? Seems so. I can hardly remember any modern day European politician talking about Soviet mass murders as much as 1% from what they talk about murdering of Jews by Nazis.
People from the Eastern Europe just do not qualify humans enough for you, or what? Why Nazis killing people are bad for you, but Bolsheviks killing (more) people are not?
Teach me history, leftist bastard.
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How does that link to my post?
I do not get the meaning of your message. You might try to express yourself a bit clearer.
Or are you on weed?
Or did you try to say that it is OK to kill people if the idea is nice? (Even if it is idea which is unrealistic and can not be implemented, but still it is OK to try and kill, spoil, destroy for just in case one day it might work and everyone suddenly will become happy.)
Or you want to say that Communism does not exist because all the adherents of Communism have not yet finished their job (of bringing over the Happiness For All (Survivors)) by violent means?).
Frankly, I believe that you are crazy. Either in cynical sense of the word or just so much detached from reality and in into outlandish theories, that it hardly matters.
You are crazy.
And dangerous.
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Pol Pot said that the times of his rule have been the happiest period for the people of Cambodia. He really believed what he said.
You two might make good friends.
Never mind, you’re in no way capable of giving satisfaction but I appreciate your clueless exhibitionist propaganda as it is. I know you don’t get it, you don’t get anything. You cite Suvorov! Same sign of a weak mind as speculating about your counterpart to make a case.
Try another one – Marx said: “Je ne suis pas marxiste.” many a times. Think about that. And look up communism. And look up nazism.
Read what I wrote to not have to ask me to explain what I didn’t write.
Given up on your präventivkriegsthese and your system of belief now that the name of Suvorov came out?
Go to hell, self-righteous Commie bastard.
Before that have a look here and give it a thought:
Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation: http://www.victimsofcommunism.org/
Global Museum on Communism: http://www.globalmuseumoncommunism.org/
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Afterthought:
Imagine:
A pile of dead mutilated bodies in a pool of blood, steaming in cold East-European spring. Dozens of them. Men and women. Hands tied on their backs, skulls crashed, arms and breasts chopped off, eyes poked, bullet holes everywhere. Terrified local people digging through the cadavers looking for their missing relatives.
blingo stands next to the pile of corpses, boots splashed with blood, ENCYCLOPEDIA in his hand. Turning pages. Suddenly he rises his head and shouts out in joy : ” Hey, folks!!! Relax! I LOOKED UP ” CUMMUNISM”! IT’S OKAY!!!!!!” 8))
So.. they call it communism?
No connection yet. But we might want to look up “socialism” as in eastern european branches of collaboration with NS forming over the autochthonous antisemitism, antiziganism.. and their pogroms. Strictly anticommunist collaboration with NS forming over the autochthonous antisemitism, antiziganism.. and their pogroms that were.
And sometimes catholic. Catholic as the christian genocides of so many of the 70 to 80 million indigenous deaths in the southern two of the three Americas.
But no, the latter would be wrong. Those were truely catholic – not just a connection of RExoid versions.