7th November, 1975
This 7th November was just a regular day in Russia, but just 20 years ago it looked like on those photos. It was the greatest holiday in Soviet State - the day when the Communists won, so it was commemorated annually with such a colorful parades. Not only army participated in them but every civil corporation had to send their participants to the parades, hospitals and cinemas, schools and factories - literary every society unit had to.
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OMG, look at sexy men in black leather in number 3 photo!
And in photo number 8, look at big missiles!
I like this posting very much.
Yours,
Mahmoud
Kill Yo Self!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhPiXMZtEjM
Hello my friend from American ghetto. Would you like to visit Tehran? Do you know where it is? Maybe you can sell some more cocaine to the kids in neighborhood, or steal the $3,000 rims and tires from neighbor’s $1500 car, to cover the cost of air ticket.
Word,
Mahmoud
Nice photos, but it was 32 years ago, not 20.
You are very good at mathematicals. Would you like to come to Tehran and work on secret missile program for me?
Along with nice salary and private room for sleeping, I give you 20% discount at Tehran airport duty-free shop.
Sincerely,
Mahmoud A.
I’ve always wondered why Karl Marx is so revered and yet Frederick Engles who was just as influential in the drafting of the communist manifesto is practicaly unknown.
I’ve seen a lot of soviet flags and posters with the faces of Lenin, Marx and Engels.
I think everybody knows what you say, at least outside the USA.
well, its because engles father, ironically, owned a factory.
So even though he is respected with Marx, its still called marxism.
Most western countries ignore engles because they think that if engles, a capitalist elite, thought of communism as making sense, then it’d look bad.
Repeat with me: Engels, Engels, Engels. Never “engles”.
wasn’t marx capitalist elite too?
Is there a video of this parade from 1975 that i could download?
Fuck USSR!
FUCK YOU!!!
fuck you again!
Testing.
Can anyone translate the Brezhnev quote in photo 16?
Quote says (not word for word)
“The society created by us is firm, dynamic, and banded together.”
Brezhnev: “We created the society that is stable, dynamic, and united.” “Stable” in a sense of “being steady, unshakable”.
mahmoud you are sooo gay. you must be executed.
I wish to fuck with Lenin and Brezhnev !
WOW was great days
If owning a car was discouraged in the Soviet Union, why were there some many cars in Moscow?
At you the incorrect information.
In the USSR there were very many cars in a private property. Before war in a private property of cars almost was not. After war there were many trophy cars in a private property.
The first cars to the population have started to make for sale in 1946-1947 are were GAZ M20 ‘ Pobeda ‘ (own working out) and AZLK Moskvich-400 (a pre-war Opel the Cadet on the trophy equipment)
In subsequent time cars released factories GAZ, VAZ, AZLK, IZJ, ZAZ
How long have you owned your Pobeda?
“Victory” have ceased to let out in 50.
I in the USSR did not have a car as I was born in 1986.
The father has bought GAZ-24 ‘ Volga ‘ in 1983. It and now at it is.
But possession of “Volga” was atypical. It was not on open sale.
It had possibility it to buy as 4 years worked abroad (in Algeria).
On open sale there were cars VAZ, AZLK, IZJ, ZAZ
VAZ (Lada) was the best variant here. On them there was a great demand and the greatest turn. AZLK and IZJ were worse also turn on them was less.
But all the same авто were in deficiency as the motor industry did not consult with demand.
Well and the prices were considerable enough.
How can one afford a car at that time on very paltry amount of earnings? Were they awarded? Granted?
Here article on this theme. It big to translate it there was a laziness. I it am simple through the translator have passed. I think, the sense will be clear
To the Great Patriotic War cars as, however and almost all other industrial goods, were not on sale. Occasionally by them were awarded for any valid or imaginary feat or “success in socialist competition”. Besides, it was possible to win the car in a lottery, anyway, at lists of prizes was present even magnificent on those times ЗиС-101. In any case, the number of automobile owners to all USSR was estimated in hundreds, and with the war beginning almost all cars, as well as motorcycles, have been withdrawn.
In comments to this page at a forum of the Autoretro of a site auto.ru it is noticed, that automobile Gas all the same in 30 was on sale to “private traders”, there was even an advertising in magazine “Architect”.
After war about 50 thousand cars has got to the country as the trophies, some of them have appeared in private hands. And on a boundary 40 - 50th years mass production ‘ Москвичей-400 ‘ has begun,
‘ Victories ‘ and ЗиМов. ‘ Muscovites ‘ were on sale to the population almost everything, ‘ Victories ‘ and the more so Winters basically were used by official bodies. But nevertheless, year to 53rd all 3 listed models could be bought accordingly for 8000, 16000 and 40000 roubles of the sample 1949г (as a result of currency reform 1961г roubles have lost one zero and remained in such kind up to disintegration of the USSR in 91st year). Then on ‘ Muscovites ‘ and ‘ Victories ‘ the turn was formed, and Winters remained to be on sale freely, but nobody bought them - the expensive. The salary квалифицированого the worker or the engineer was then within 500 - 1000руб in a month, and any seasonal works were severely pursued. If someone also typed it by the necessary sum, to be shone by purchase авто any reason was not - it was possible to ring out without ceremony in places not so kept away.
Tell such байку. In a unique Kharkov autoshop on a corner of areas Тевелева
(Nowadays Constitutions) and Roses Luxembourg where all three then models авто have been exposed, has come ordinary dressed person. Помотрел on ‘ the Muscovite ‘.
It-is possible to buy?
No, turn.
‘ the Victory ‘?
-Too turn.
Winters?
-Well generally it is possible… But you see how many it costs?
-Anything, turn…
As precedents in shop history was not, the director has called in KGB. There have understood and have answered: “It is academician Walter. He can buy all your shop. Sell.”
So the academician became the owner Winter. One more was bought of Winters by the chairman of any successful collective farm, and more interested persons were not.
Turns on ‘ the Victory ‘ and ‘ the Muscovite ‘ were made by buyers, with foremen, сотниками
And monthly musters in the next court yard. Not was on muster were ruthlessly eliminated. That for it had “heads”, to tell difficultly, but, possibly, its activity was not absolutely disinterested. In 60th years of turn were made already directly in shop. Terms were such: registered in 1956 year on 401st ‘ the Muscovite ‘ received in 59th already 407th, and registered in 1959 on ‘ Volga ‘ could redeem it in 66th.
In the course of manufacture of one model its cost did not vary, but at the moment of change of models there was a sharp jump of the prices. So, ‘ Москвич-401 ‘ cost 9000руб, ‘ Москвич-402 ‘ - 15000руб, and differing from it only the engine with повышеной on 10л.с. Capacity ‘ Москвич-407 ‘ - already 25000руб.
In the late fifties - the beginning of 60th years manufacture ЗиМов, a place ‘ Victories ‘ has stopped Volga ‘ has occupied ‘ and has appeared ‘ Запорожец-965 ‘.
By itself, lorries and even pickups and vans on the basis of automobile to “private traders” were not on sale. Microcars-motorised carriages C3A of manufacture of the Serpukhov factory were not on sale also - them gave out to invalids free of charge, for a period of 5 years.
Long-term turns led to that the real price авто was in 2-3 times above state. But… It was possible to sell cars only to the state through commission shop which estimated авто proceeding from the state price with the deterioration account. Certainly, there were some schemes of detour, but связаные with considerable risk, the car at the same owner was therefore frequent decades. This position has been cancelled only in the seventies, however up to disintegration of the USSR the sum part was transferred to the seller through cash desk of commission shop which from it had 7 %, and a part - “in an envelope”, that led to weight of cases “кидания”, and to complain in militia the seller not always dared - him could accuse of gamble.
Since 70th year sale of cars began to increase. VAZ and the Izhevsk factory have become operational, factories in Moscow and Zaporozhye were reconstructed. At the same time in connection with increase of a standard of living the number wishing has sharply increased also to become “motorists”.
Turns have reached such length what to receive on them the car it was possible years through 10. In this situation the overwhelming majority авто began to sell through the industrial and other enterprises which distributed cars between the employees. Naturally, was where densely and where it is empty. We will tell, on defensive factory tens cars a year, and in any minor scientific research institute - one car in some years arrived. People of some trades and pensioners could not buy legally new авто at all.
The prices in the mid-seventies were such: ‘ Volga ‘ ГАЗ-24 (them, the truth, was on sale very little) - 9200руб, ‘ Zhigulis ‘ VAZ-2101 - 5500, VAZ-21011 - 6000, VAZ-2103 - 7500, ‘ Москвич-412 ‘ - 4990, and ‘ Запорожец ‘ ЗАЗ-968 - 3500руб. The average salary of normally earning man made then about two hundred roubles a month.
Long-term release automobile авто in the quantity much more exceeding one million year, and export reduction in connection with an obsolescence of let out models the fruits - in first half 80 have yielded some авто (about a miracle!) have appeared on free sale. In Kharkov, for example, it there was ‘ a Field ‘ (10300руб), ‘ Москвич-2140Люкс ‘ (8000руб) and ‘ Запорожец ‘ ЗАЗ-968М (5000руб). The depersonalized commission business second-hand cars under the real price was extended. Certainly, it was mostly scrap metal, but for the person who had hands and time, but not the chance to get the four wheels has appeared money, for the first time. For example, 7-year-old manual ‘ Запорожцы ‘,
сданые invalids after reception new, cost basically 600руб. Once in Moscow in the mid-eighties in commission shop in Southern port there was a party brand new ‘ Victories ‘ though their release has stopped still in 1958г. They have staid all this time in any military warehouse. And though the price ‘ Victories ‘ was comparable with the price of the new “Zhigulis” wishing them to get was much. And in February 1992г all rather big platform of the Kharkov commission shop on Даниловке has appeared is filled… Carts. Too newcomers and too soon раскуплеными.
With second half 80 and till the end of existence of the USSR new cars on free sale again were not because of sharply amplified inflation.
Whether were bought automobile авто abroad? About how many-or scale purchases it is possible to speak only in relation to ‘ гэдээровским ‘ ЭМВ (BMW) of the end 40 - the beginnings of 50th years and Czechoslovak ‘ Шкодам-1201 ‘ a decade later. But information, that they were on sale in a new kind in private hands, to find it was not possible. Naturally, individual copies for Brezhnev etc. it is not counted.
With motorcycles the situation was much better - except heavy with a carriage of the Kiev and Irbitsky factories and periodically Czechoslovak ‘ Java ‘ they could be bought freely. Here the approximate prices of new motor-technics on second half 70: the Riga and Lvov mopeds (a class 50 cubic sm) - 180руб, a motor scooter ‘ Электрон ‘ (150) - 270руб, ‘ the Tourist ‘ (200) - 450руб, a motorcycle ‘ Minsk ‘ (125) - 330руб, ‘ Rising ‘ (175) - 420руб, ‘ Иж ‘ different updatings (350) - 600-1000руб, ‘ Java ‘ - 900руб, heavy with a carriage (650, 750) - nearby 1500руб.
Still such detail: up to the end 80 in полуторамиллионном Kharkov the number of the shops trading in spare parts, did not exceed ten. And the most running spare parts there was not. Behind them it was necessary to go on a car market and to overpay several times in comparison with the state price.
http://road-crimea.narod.ru/2005/old_sale.htm
СПАСИБО.
Thank you for posting these pictures. Very interesting.
Is photo 19 supposed to be Santa’s helpers?
Why do those crazy russians march in ugly red underwear and Santa Claus hats?
These men will meet with the men in black leather after the parade for good time, like I used to have with Putin before he became jealous of my relationship with my friend Lukashenko, the “Belarus Bomber.”
Great photos, I really am fascinated with Soviet culture and art and pictures like these show exactly why. I am an American in his 20’s so I wasn’t even alive for most of the USSR’s reign but events like these look like such an exciting thing to be a part of.
Thanks for the photos. They are a very interesting addition to the English Russia historical archives.
Wow - very impressive quality.
Look at #20 - Santa’s little helpers! Lots of them!!!
Oops, #19, not 20!
those were great days, i miss it.
What have they done with the women? There aren’t any in these pictures.
Look at those uniforms and outfits the men are wearing.
Why would a woman want to be at a “Gay Pride” parade?
ok I just neeeeeed to make propaganda when i see this pics….ok listen up, I live in the netherlands (capitalist country), and i hate it. Here people die because they are too fat…while in Africa people die because they don’t have food. Ghandi sad the Earth has everything a man need, but if you take too much the Earth will be destroyed (don’t remember the exact statement). In USSR (communism) people weren’t too fat or too skinny, all people were atheletic and creative because all society bussines was for free, but most important people didn’t take more than they needed (like Ghandi sad) the fact that USSR fell apart will destroy the earth in long term, believe me or nor but communism is the best for everyone only the leaders have to think more about therir people than about arms and the army then everything will work out just fine. My point is :in capitalist country one person can own 3 boats 7 cars 2 airplanes eat for 20 men in one day abd have a great life (meanwhile destroying the Earth) while other people die of poverty, this could NEVER happen if the whole world was communist.
If you “hate it” in the “capitalist country,” why do you remain there? Seriously–why do you remain in a place you hate, and believe is so terrible and wrong?
As for what happens in Africa–The fact that so many African governments steal from their own people and screw up everything that is handed to them is not the fault of the Dutch or any other European/western country.
Look at Zimbabwe–when it was Southern Rhodesia it was a “breadbasket,” but now it can’t even provide enough food for its own people, even though it is a rich agricultural region. Why? Is that the fault of the Dutch?
Many commentators say much of the devastation in Zimbabwe is the fault of its own government, and is encouraged by its neighbor South Africa. South Africa is taking advantage of the chaos in Zimbabwe to buy property and gain control of the region. That’s Africans hurting Africans.
Look at Sudan, where Sudanese people murder their fellow Sudanese by the thousands, and drive hundreds of thousands more to near starvation, all based on tribal affiliation and loyalty to Khartoum. Most of the refugees would starve if not for western “capitalists” aid organizations.
Look at so many African countries where tribal affiliation is more important to them than building their nation, and where they murder each other in large numbers. Are secret agents from the Netherlands provoking Africans to kill each other, rather than work together to be productive?
Your love of countries and systems that have proven themselves to be failures, more so than systems that have proven to be stable and productive, amazes me.
I’d love to hear more.
I think the cruel irony of all this, is if all the third world countries (not only african nations) were to develope the standard of living and the quality of life that is experienced in the west, the Western world would simply be turned into the Third world.
Just imagine how many resources would remain if Zimbabweans were also diriving their SUVs, had five TVs, a fridge, electric cooker, dishwasher, etc. Imagine the level pollution. Or imagine what would happen to african population having the same healthcare, food, etc. The world simply would not be able to fulfill such needs and would most centrally collapse.
cruel irony indeed..
You may not agree with fromukrainewithlove but there is no need for him to “love it or leave it”.
What you forget is that most of the African nations were carved out by European colonial powers without regard for tribal affiliations. The entire region inherited the shambles of imperialistic rule. Africa suffers from a legacy of cynical and brutal exploitation by the west that continues to this day.
As for aid, far less than 1% of the US total aid budget is spent in sub-Saharan Africa, the poorest place on Earth. On the other hand the US still does extremely well from the plunder of Africa’s raw materials.
“love it or leave it” is your phrase, John, not mine. I asked an honest, legitimate question. Please don’t try to twist it into a personal battle.
I did not “forget” anything. I am very familiar with the history of Africa in general, and in the specifics of some countries and regions.
However, to address your point–If Africa’s failures are the result of colonialism, then how do you explain the success of Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the USA, all of which were “carved out by European colonial powers without regard to tribal affiliations”?
Seriously–if colonialism was the real reason for failure, then why are the four countries I mentioned, along with Hong Kong, Macao, and Singapore, for example, doing so well?
Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the USA? Genocide. Indigenous people were nearly wiped out and replaced by Europeans.
Hong Kong, Macao, and Singapore? All were mercantile centers before the Europeans arrived.
The reason these country’s are succesful john answered very well for me, and I didn’t talk as much about Holland as you do. Yes i want to leave Holland and that’s the first thing I will do when i finish my study here. And I’m not going to venezuela or what ever I’m going back to Ukraine. I’m not quite sure what is better communism or capitalism, but I know for sure that in long term communism is better for the world’s sake. capitalism destroys the world because people think only about money and not about the envoiriment.
fromukrainewithlove, I wish you great success in your studies.
fromukrainewithlove,
I also wish you success in your studies.
I also encourage you to examine history based on facts, rather than someone’s ideological “explanations.” Look for practical solutions to problems, rather than “answers” that promote someone’s ideological agenda.
For example, John’s response did not “answer” the question I asked. He did confirm the fact that Asians and Europeans have demonstrated the ability to build modern, dynamic societies with sustained economic development.
However, that does not explain why many African countries, especially sub-Saharan countries, seem unable to do so, despite their wealth of resources. How long will they blame someone else for their problems?
It feels good to say nice things about everyone, but recognition of reality is the key to survival and success.
Again, I wish you the best, but I encourage you to pay close attention to cultures, economies, and governments. Ask the hard questions. More importantly, accept the hard facts abot why some succeed, while others fail.
Your questions were answered.
Yes but would these positives really outweigh the benefits of Capitalism?
If you live in Nederlands and hate capitalism, why don’t you go living in Cuba, or in Venezuela? It’s very easy to live in Amsterdam, with Health services, public safety, democracy and good Education, and at the same time to say: “Oh, Communism is the pinnacle of our civilization.”
Marxism is bad in theory, and worse in practice. Millions died in wars and in starvation, thousands were dying in Gulag for “the glory of USSR” and this ridicule cult of personality.
I love Russia and his culture. But to the hell with Communism; it’s the distribuition of misery and mediocrity.
Well-said.
Yes, a dash of socialism has made the west quite tolerable. Prior to that it was pretty much death, war and servitude for millions of people.
Gulag’s-it’s what every country needs….forget your 3 meal a day, one hour in the excerise yard, the communal showers in your over crowded prisons! GIVE US GULAGS!!!
if every one was globally treated as equals-the world would implode from over use….
nice site by the way
“If you live in Nederlands and hate capitalism, why don’t you go living in Cuba, or in Venezuela?” - you sound like one of those Bush fans from Texas who think that anyone who criticise their country, or its divine leader, should pack their bags and never come back.
In realty, most of people who question the government and its policies, are doing so out of great love and respect for their country and Patriotism. By questioning and challenging the government they are looking to make their beloved country a better place, thus, are being much more patriotic then the redneck zombies with the american flag outside their houses.
You sound a lot like these redneck “Patriots”.
Boris,
I just saw your post. I often have an American flag outside my house when I am home.
It is fashionable for certain liberals in the USA to deride the flag, and to try to turn it into a negative symbol, and to “paint” those who display it as ignorant. I understand the people in other countries who don’t like us, and who burn our flag. However, I don’t understand the Americans who deride it. It is THEIR flag, a symbol of THEIR country and THEIR system of government–a system that gives them the opportunity to change it, if enough people agree with them.
I am a citizen of the country, I have served in its armed forces, I have obeyed its laws (or paid the consequences for not doing so), etc. I don’t inherently trust government–any government, and I routinely question every level and manifestation of it, including the current President. I have little respect for people who are in “lockstep” with either major political party.
I consider myself a patriot. The adverse of a patriot is a traitor. There is no real middle ground, as some would like to believe. A person is either for their country, against their country, or they are free-loading on the backs of the people who built it and formed the system they live under, and those who work now to protect it.
Ambivalence is not a virtue. Neither is the idea that we can all live under the same system in some kind of one-world government. If so, which system would it be? Would it be the one like they have in Zimbabwe, so most of us could starve in the midst of some of the most fertile ground in the world? Would it be the one like they have in Cambodia, where we would not be allowed to protest? Would it be like the one in Iran or Saudi Arabia, where the religious police and enforcers could and would beat us with sticks or throw us in jail for violating their strict interpretation of Islam?
In other words, I think the world is a long way from deciding on one system of government that everyone will agre to live under. Meanwhile, I like the system we have here in the US. It allows me to say, write, and do things to change it or modify it if I am dissatisfied with it. It allowed me to go from a poor family background to a life of great opportunity, education, and experience. Many countries don’t offer those options to their citizens.
The flag represents that system–a system that some of my friends and relatives died for. Why then should it be wrong, stupid, or “redneck” for me to display it? Why should I NOT display it, unless it is to appear too “sophisticated” to love something as abstract as an idea?
With all due respect Visitor, if your friends died for the “Systen” as you say, than frankly they have wasted their life in vain. I much rather prefer to think that they were the heroes who have died for their comrades, and not as tools of evil empiralism.
With the regard to the flag issue, I think it is very important to know what it represents. What does it represent to you, Visitor?
You seem to be pretty proud of your country Visitor. What exactly are you proud of?
Are you proud of the way it was founded? Are you proud of the way the the indigenous population was slaughtered and repressed? Are you proud of the way black people were subjected to slavery for centuries and then discrimination and harassment decades after that? Are you proud that your country has been the biggest aggressor for the last hundred years? Are you proud that US supported and is supporting to this day some of the most cruel dictators on the planet? Are you proud of the fact that US hypocrisy has always been at an unimaginable level? Are you proud of the fact that your government brands good people like Castro and Chavez as “dictators”, while supporting true dictators like king Abdullah and Batita? Are you proud of the fact that your government complains about human rights violations in Russia while innocent people are tortured in Guantanamo and opponents of US imperialism are tortured in secret CIA prisons on the territory US-puppet europian states? Are you proud of the fact that US has declared the “War on Terror” yet it harbors terrorists and commits terrorist acts not onlly against sovereign states (in relation to the Cubana Flight 455 incident) but also against its own people? Are you proud of the fact that your country has been bullying the small island of Cuba for half a century and is to this day starving its people? Are you proud of the fact that most Latin American people have been suffering for generations because of US-installed corrupt governments? Are you proud of the fact that your government is brainwashing american public on a day-to-day basis through the use of fear and cruel physiological manipulation? Are you happy that your beloved constitution looks nothing like the original one? Are you happy that american public is spied upon like they are all criminals? Are you proud of the fact that your counrty went to war and killed thousands of innocent women and children for the sake of this bloody oil? Are you proud of the fact that your beloved country is starting, if not has already started, a new Cold War and an Arms Race by surrounding russia with the provocative Missiles Shild?
I honestly could go on for hours, but frankly I have to wake up early in the moring and need to get some sleep. So to conclude, if you really are an American Patriot as you claime to be, then if I were you, I would do everything possible to encourage a “Regime Change” (not a change of the ruling party) but a new Revolution in your country.
If this doesn’t happen soon America will simply destroy the world. God help us all!
Ouch.
That’s right, John. It should hurt. Only when it truly hurts can we expect any real positive change in US.
Boris, you know that none of this is news to me. I believe that many people in the United States are beginning to come to terms with our imperialism. However too many still cling to the simplistic view of U.S. history and policy.
The corporatist’s power is more concentrated and dangerous than ever. John Dean (the White House attorney that blew the whistle on Nixon) said in 2005 that the next two elections will determine whether democracy in the U.S. will survive. The 2006 election was encouraging but this has made the authoritarians more desperate. I do not believe there is anything they would not do to maintain power. This includes more fear (war) and corrupting the Democrats. At this time, the Dems would seem to have the popular support, but their ineptitude and/or the Republicans bag of dirty tricks could defeat them. I still believe that the Democrats can be reformed once they regain power, but it will take an unprecedented activism on the part of the American people.
Also, with ragards to your “The adverse of a patriot is a traitor. There is no real middle ground” comment, could you possibly not so much define but explain in your own words what you mean by the word “Traitor”?
Boris,
I have to “hit the road” to go to a relative’s house, so I will make this short, and write more after the holiday.
Never have I said the USA is perfect, or always right. However, I let the numbers speak for themselves. During the time of the USSR, for example, how many people were rushing from western Europe into the USSR, versus how many people were trying to leave the USSR and get to western Europe?
Today, how many people are trying to get to the USA, or other nations with similar values, as opposed to Russia? Why is Russia experiencing such a decline in population, so much that the government has a special day of the year to promote . . . well, choose your own word for it, but the idea is to “make more Russians.”
This is nothing against the Russian people. As I have said before on this forum, there are good people and bad people in every country (I also realize “good” and “bad” are often subjectiv), so what makes the difference? “System” may not be the best word. You can choose whatever word you want - “form” of government, etc.
As for why my comrades who have been killed or injured over the years, I suggest you try not to disparage their motives or their sacrifice. As any veteran knows, the desire to protect each other on the battlefield is often the most immediate reason to put oneself in danger. However, it is disingenous to suggest that none of them believed in the values represented by their country.
More later, but for now, I encourage you to keep asking yourself why some governments and nations succeed while others fail, and try to look beyond the ideological “explanations” that the sore losers in the world offer.
Thanks for you reply Visitor.
However you have failed to answer my question. Could it be that you are trying to avoid it?
Anyhow, why arehave you all of the sudden decided to start comparing US to Russia? Do you think that I consider Russia to be paradise? - well, nothing could be further from the truth.
Russia was in shit for the last century and frankly it still is. Of course it would be absurd to compare American economy, military might and standard of living to that of the US. Besides, the atrocities comited by the Communist government are probably as bad as or even worse if compared with the atrocities of the US imperialism.
So as you can quess, my heart probably bleeds more for the injustices produced by Russia/SU then it does for the injustices of US. But does this excuse the way the US behaves on the world stage?
“Of course it would be absurd to compare American economy, military might and standard of living to that of the US”
-Sorry, I ment “Russian” economy.
Boris,
1. I am not american. I don’t know Texas. I live in Brazil.
2. The most important values of our civilization are the democracy and the freedom.
3. Patriotism is as stupid as the “cult of personality”.
4. There’s no proved relationship between people’s weight and capitalism. Or socialism. Or whatever political system. Brezhnev was fat. Kennedy was elegant. But Putin and Hillary looks fine.
5. People is in starvation in some parts of Africa thanks to corruption.
6. And I don’t like flags. Even in World Cup.
You’re a complete fucking idiot and you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Go jump off a bridge.
Communism just destroys society, economics and moral. I think nothing can be more dangerous for a society where everyone thinks that he behoves everything without any proper work. And that is what happened in many (I would say in each) now post-socialist countries. And this mentality is still alive and it is a serious burden of development.
On the other hand, the legacy of unrestricted capitalism is nothing to be proud of.
I don’t know how anybody realized of a big mistake:
The above pictures are not from 1977 (just 20 years ago), te
the pictures are from 1967 (just 40 years ago). You can see in picture number 4 the year “1967″ in a red flag and also in picture number 12 you can see in a banner the figure 50, due to in 1967 was celebrated the 50 years from Revolution.
Best regards
WOW! good photos! Thanks.
so, no fags today saying this is photoshopped?
give us more tits and arse please. I want russian chicks, not blow up missiles and commie parades!
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Funny how the ones proclaiming the greatness of communism are always the ones who have never experienced it. If it’s so fucking great why aren’t Hungary, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Romania, etc., returning to communism? Because it’s total bullshit, that’s why. Nothing but brutal repression and slavery to the state.
The fuckup nerds and losers praising it are simply having a revenge fantasy. They think they are better than everyone else and that communism would put them in their “proper place” of ruling over everyone else. And then they would show them - show them, by God! - that they should have been worshipped by the hoi polloi all along. Every idiot on this thread praising communism is, deep down, full of murder fantasies.
koba, just beacuse no country is going back to communism doesn’t prove that communism is bullshit. It may be tons of other reasons why it’s bullshit though, but just think about what would happen if let’s say Slovakia was going back to communism:
The foreign investors would take their money and run. That alone would mean a disaster for the economy…no matter how “great” the communist system would be it would take a long time to get the economy back on its feet. (Just as it takes a long time to build up the country who have left communism and have turned into a capitalistic country.)
The businessmen and the current leaders who have made benefit from the freedom today would hardly sit there and let communism return. They will do anything in their power to keep it away even if the majority of the people wanted communism back, because it will be a threat to their power.
There would be international boycotts and embargos. Who are you going to trade with? North Korea? Back in the old days there were more “communist buddies” do to business with that’s why it worked for quite some time. Also, most likely there would be a military attack on the country - who are going to help you? There is no Warzaw pact anymore.
You say the ones who proclaim the greatness of communism are the ones who never experienced it. That’s wrong. There are lots of people who experienced communism and still consider themselves communists. there are people who lived under Stalin and look back with fondness of those times. There are also people who escaped the communist countries, but haven’t even considered returning even when the countries are democratic and the standard has improved…
very cool comment. I appreciate it.
Was born in the Fifties and raised in West Germany. Experienced the so-called cold war and the anti-communist propaganda quite closely while at the same time a very ugly war was going on in Vietnam. What was I supposed to think as a child?
Anyway, in 30 years that GDR was existing I managed to go to East Berlin only twice. Both times it was a frightening an threatening experience. I really wonder how people with a free mind must have suffered when they had to encounter the suppressions day by day.
In 1972 I travelled to the Black Sea. I fell in love with a Russian music student. It was almost impossible to live this love because there was always somebody who observed us - and this even more, when the word was spread that my lover wanted to run off with me. It was frightening and I was scared that something bad had happened to him, when all my letters came back unanswered.
Today after the iron curtain has finally fallen - at least geographically - and my residence town is crowded with people from former Soviet countries it’s hard to believe that things like those have happened. And still I relive the feelings often enough.
So, what I want to say is: the discussions about economics an politcal reasons for and against a regime are fine but they miss the most important thing behind it: the human being. If a government or any type of leading persons use politics for material or ideological or whatever very personal and egoistic profit it is never good.
All declarations of independence, constituions and the like would be useless if everyone would respect human right.
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