BMW Yesterday and Today
This is a photo of new BMW X5 SUV yesterday. Below you can see how it looks like today morning:
That shots were made in Estonia, one of the most successful ex-USSR countries.
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thanks god im first
at last
what a day!
First in. Suck on that WTC-lovers.
Thats why i use anti-theft bolts here, even on a regular 17″ rims.
Bullshit! those r two different cars in two different places…
Same license plate number, you idiot.
Photoshop!
corel draw
MS PAINT!!!!
ASCII ART!
Copy and paste!
GIMP!
Gimp wins…nuff said.
GIMP has no CMYK support!!!
I bet the photo of the car with the wheels is older than yesterday but I am sure the owner is using it as a representation of what it looked like yesterday before he was ripped off.
its the same car dipshit, same building - can see the same reflections (on the building) in both. also concrete pillar is still visable in corner.
Although could have been Photoshop, why would you?
The guy could have parked it somewhere else and then walked outside to find all the tires stolen.
I’m a gay !
No, Texas1 not know gay pleasure but I like. Who will fist my tight ass?
Poor little Texas1 you have not your own penis and dream about Putin’s cock shame on you faggot.
I only like sex with women.
women with dicks?
With huge dick! ! ! ! ! ! !.
I didn’t write this crap and I’m not gay!
Who cares?
Russia should know about my masculinity and heterosexuality.
If you are a masculine heterosexual male, you will soon be the minority in USA. You must become more like a woman if you want to fit in.
We recommend that you practice the following each day:
1. Speak in a soft but high-pitched voice.
2. Sit on the toilet to urinate, rather than stand up.
Here’s to a new America,
Arthur Andersen
President
American Sexual Surveys (ASS)
I didn’t know it was sunday yesterday.
It wasn’t
Sunday was on Sunday
Friend of mine in St.Pete found her car the next morning with the front windscreen rubbers removed. The windscreen itself was put inside the car, undamaged.
In her apartment building they also managed to steal the elevator-engines [12th floor] probably to be sold as scrap metal.
If Russians would only use this type of ambition to set up a REAL business and pursue something GOOD and constructive, and use longterm vision there might still be hope for Russia…
Rrrrriiiiiiggggghhhhhttt, becuase we all know that petty theivs are our biggest problem.
Is it possible the Russian people you refer to (I will not use the word criminal, since that is the imposition of someone else’s “values,” based on their sense of “morality”) are simply using the only way they have to reach out to society in a cry for help? That is what the people in America do. It is their way of expressing their dissatisfaction with an unfair, unequitable society.
Maybe the Russian president should do like we do in America, and blame ourselves for all the problems in each individual’s life. Then he should take more money from the honest people and pay for programs to counsel the people who are disaffected, and bring them into the mainstream of society.
It is simply not their fault. It is “our” fault.
(music, please)
“We are the world
we are the children
we are the ones who make a brighter day
so let’s start giving”
You are neither liberal or a social worker, but you are full of shit.
Dear John,
A personal, profane attack on a poster? I think your true colors just slipped out from behind the facade that you usually work so hard to present on the forum.
Your controller would be disappointed in you.
Peace and love to you, my brother.
LOL. Yup. You heard me right.
nope John’s right you’re deffinately full of shit.
John is a liberal though and screw Indians!
Besides…you’re special.
…needs?
…?
oh ignore me john,my sense of humor is juvenile to say the least.
Sorry, I guess I’m not hip to the jive.
Lol.
No justice, no peace!
Right on brother.
What kind of justice you want?right to attack on another sect,right to loot unarmed peoples.who can stop anyone to learn and educate himself?if you wanna apple pie right in your mouth,without any struggle.you might wrong.prepare yourself and then argue.just shouting empty slogans are not enough.do something hard for your community and your case! ! ! !.
…the justice of international law, the peace of universal understanding and mutual respect. To those who claim power, we will not be silent until there is human dignity for all.
You need to stop reading union garbage like your Worker’s Socialist News.
Solidarity!
“It is time to be wise when you have a beard”.
Guys like you and sometime me,living in sweet and lovely golden nostalgic past.where two powers are balancing each others.at that time Soviets was on the back of working class,but they both was not in perfect and ideal position to follow.one was extremely denied basic human rights,the right to think,right to express,the right to wear by will and the right to smile! ! ! ! and other was so free to allow to exploit majority.they give freedoms to their citizens,freedom to eat,freedom to strike on oil rich nations,the freedom to pollute mother Earth and finally freedom to dictate their type of democracy! ! ! ! !.but now i seriously realise,that according to dialectical theory,time is never repeat himself.why we want to back past in our present.each time situation is different than previous.if we stuck to the magnificent past,we shall go back to cave and Flintstone is our tragic end…….
I agree that we should not try to live in the past.
However, I would like to point out that one of the worst industrial polluters in the world right now is my very own beloved China, the last great bastion of Communism, and the real whore to the free world.
In our case, our environmental problems cannot be blamed on “democratic” principles, Republicans, etc.
If we had any honor, we would use our profits to clean our industrial cities and build our internal infrastructure, before we have another “Long March.”
Honour above profit? If U.S. corporatists had any honor, they would use their profits to clean industrial cities and build internal infrastructure, before there is another big “market correction.”
“He who praises himself will soon find some one to deride him”.
(begin music, please)
I’d like to teach the world to sing,
in perfect harmony . . .
Oh, wait! I can’t sing that song anymore. It promotes decadent capitalism. I have to stop it, because most of the world is too dumb to simply choose between Coke, Pepsi, or any number of their national drinks, such as Kavas, which tastes good enough to do well by itself, and makes it unnecessary for liberals like me to tell the Russian people what to drink. That leads to competition, which is not good for peace. The Coke and Kavas people will start a war and we will all die! We will all die, and it will be the fault of freedom to choose between soft drinks! Stop freedom now!
Go ahead and sing it. Sing the whole thing, you need to hear it.
Different cars same plates ok
Or it is Back To The Future car with retractable wheels.
Where is babushka? Itz mother has a giant 6 foot penis!!! She used that to jack the car and steal the tyres!!!
Why you say disgusting things about my mother? I’m try not to make comments on this website anymore, but you’ve insulte my mother? Who are you??
If I must make formula to make people happy, it’s this one:
(b + c3) x (c x ab^4) where c = cullingus, with this I can figure out those stolen BMW wheels are now attachd to Yuri’s track, and he got genital herpe from that disgusting, smelly Dagestan SLUT at SHELF gasstation.
please leave me alone, cunts!
Hey Babushka, you should join the forum. We need people like you on it!
Where is forum? Why you need me? I’m just usual Babuska
It is here:
http://englishrussia.com/forum/index.php
Your humor would be good on the forum.
Babushka,first of all accept my deep condolence about the comments of Vodka colne,guy.don`t feel so hearty.leave him in his own shit pool.why are you so sensitive about dirty and bastard fucking peoples?be prepare for worst in future life.you may face hundreds of assholes like that, in your upcoming life.ignore them and enjoy as before.and please don`t leave us………..please
Why you apologize for HOMOSEXUAL APE ‘Texas1′? Is he you boss? He remind me of big APE in the cage at Zoo, jumping around like crzy then doing sexual things to ANOTHER Ape… a MAN ape. This is really disgusting! He not drunk on vodka either…
ok I’m take ectasy tablet now… bye!
Babushka, are you homosexual? I am a straight.
Zafard you are a kiss ass!
Texas1,yes i wanna kiss your ass with my monster Dick ! ! ! ! !.
I you weren’t so funny, I would have to retaliate. I will just laugh instead.
“Peace is always the final aim of war”.
Zaf-man, it would be too fun to go out drinking with you.
“Fish and guests smell at three days old”.
LOL! Very good zafarad! I haven’t heard that one in a long time.
guys what is so special about this?
this happens everywhere not just russia. leave your bmw overnight in newark, nj and you will be lucky if wheels are the only things that they steal.
Leave it in just about any of the “diverse” urban enclaves of the US, and it will become just another crime statistic.
Chairman,
Auto Stealers Society
neljäs
fag
some Detroit shit right dar!
Yo my boys would have that shit STRIPPED!
You are a fucking tool.
U racist!
Viimeinenkö…
That’s why russian’s should learn Estonian language or move back to Russia - when in country are living people who have no interest of country’s history and culture and who have no idea about it are quite easy to found on criminal life style in some time. Estonia has been from 13th century in German and Western influence, owned by Denmark and Livonian order and later by Sweden before Greate Nordic war broke it.
you know,
thats two different models of car….
Yeah.
The one without wheels is entry level “economy” model.
The wheels are optional and can be purchased separately.
In case if you really want to drive it, ’cause it may be sufficient just to “own” it.
LOL. Very good.
Babushka i wanna lick your vagina
I didn’t write this and Babushka is a man.
Sorry, I confused Boriska with Babushka. Perhaps Babushka is a woman. Anyway, I still didn’t write that vile statement.
relax.
Fuck you
Yeah man, relax. You are definitely getting confused.
f#ck off, John!
he is not getting confused. he is upset by some assh*le pretending to be him.
only there is no point in being stressed about it as impersonation goes on all the time here and people who visit this site more or less often are very well aware of that.
Maybe if you didn’t use so many other names you wouldn’t be confused.
Maybe if you got some psychological counseling then you wouldn’t be so confused.
…and angry.
Who is angry? I am a happy, peace loving, heterosexual Texan. Also, I only use Texas1 as my name. Who has time for multiple aliases? I have a job and have to work for a living.
You may have to work a lot harder after the beatings the markets took today.
Yes,asslicking is very hard job.i really feel your pain! ! ! ! ! ! !.
Please educate us all and tell us how difficult it is to lick an ass.
Full of shit ass ! ! ! !.are you ready?
Confusing attitude you shown every where.you are still so confused about your origin.you are thinking about your sex.male or she male?let first decide yourself then pinch another’s………………
You a horrible foul mouth CUNT! Don’t say such things about me!!!
Prease, people on this website, I don’t want to comment anymore… so why only homosexual animals (like Texas1) saying bad things to me? Am I target for this things?
… I need smoke dope now… bye
Ugh! I didn’t say anything bad about you, I’m not upset and I’m definitely not a homosexual.
Why you lie HUH? You tell every time there is some fake TEXAS1 impostor whos gay guy always says disgusting things… it is you actually.
Please, believe me.. I don’t care if you like big man’s sausage up your ass, men’s white stuff on your face, men’s ball on your hands… it’s you hobby right? I dont care.
But pklease… this is family website, so don’t say such disgusting things on here!!!
This is not a family website and I don’t write gay things. I am HETEROSEXUAL!
But once you said,i am sheep fucker! ! ! ! !.fucking innocent sheep is very bad act.shame on you.
That wasn’t me.
Insurance is paying for the damage. You can have different anti theft bolts on every wheel and still find your car on bricks.
There is no such thing as insurance-will-pay in Russia. The whole idea of ‘insurance’ is still in its infancy and in general Russian citizens don’t trust it and will not pay money for insurance unless it’s a compulsory thing. And they are right - it’s empirically proven every day. Insurance companies will always find a way to avoid paying you. And the legal system in Russia being what it is [not to be trusted/corrupted/expensive and exceptionally slow], you can kiss your money goodbye.
the unfortunate truth.
If I am elected President of Russia, I promise to give free car insurance to every car owner.
I wish to apologize to all muslims which i have offended. Forgive me ! Jesus will punish me soon.
I would NEVER SAY THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If insurance comes reputable business and the image improves, it would do a lot good both for the company and the general public. Sale of new cars in Russia is booming and repair costs are high for a new car. A VAZ 2106 is a car that you can maintain and repair the engine, bodywork etc without much nuisance but a new 21st century car is something you won´t repair on your own.
Still having a fancy new car that has wheel set that costs 5000 Euros, having no insurance is a big no-no. The wheels fit the old X5 (E53) and knowing how much posers and people with no moral standards drive these cars it´s no wonder they buy these wheels for the fraction of the cost from wheel-stealing bastards.
liberal social worker from america, you make me sick.
You have that “it takes a village” mentality, and it is so whacked out it is disgusting.
It is the criminals fault, not the societies fault. the people who bust their butt every day to make a living should not have to pay a single red cent to someone who wont go out and do the same. I am in a low income level, I get taxed to death, and I have to pass drug tests to even keep my job…..yet the degenerates that are collecting government benefits, as you described, dont even have to leave their home to take MY money, that I pass a piss test for AND bust my butt for.
then you see this…..or you see the same degenerate using government benefits to buy alcohol….and then the worst ones of all….the addicts. use my hard earned, DRUG FREE income, to go out and buy drugs.
If America (and Russia too), had a justice system like some middle eastern countries, theft would be very low….and a thief would easily recognized…THEIR HAND WOULD BE GONE.
Bleeding heart liberals ought to be hung out to “bleed to death”, because they drain every aspect of society, and they are the ones that want to let this kind of crime go.
btw….look at the buildings in the picture. the pillar in the background in the first picture, with the stain or wet spot on it, that also appears in the second picture.
as for the morality of the act….I have not voiced my opinion on it yet, merely pointed out how it could be different if we adopted different policies….but on that subject, I would take 1000 criminals to 1 liberal.
and you use the name “social worker”, which is great and all, but it is easy to be a stinking liberal when you probably make twice as much money than the median family in the greater part of my state (Indiana).
Yes, we do this with the hands of the thiefs. choppy choppy!!! with the big knife.
The guy that’s serving his fourth tour in Iraq is sick too. He still doesn’t have body armor and has to bolt scrap metal on the Hummvee to give a little protection against RPGs .
A while back, his patrol was stopped by some Blackwater secuity contractors. The Blackwater dudes drew their weapons on him and his buddies and disarmed them.
One of his friends just got back to the unit after nearly getting his ass blown off by a roadside bomb. They told him he was alright but he still can’t hear too well.
His wife called last night and said she was laid off because the boss is moving the plant to China. She and the kids will have to go back to food stamps for a while. Oh, and his daughter is sick again. What are we going to do?
Thomas, take some Pepto-Bismol, open a can of beans and turn on Fox News. They’ve got a story about welfare cheats.
Why watch Fox News? It is only a propaganda machine for people who think America still offers opportunity for success for people who are not crybabies, lazy bums, or whining cowards.
If you begin to feel too good about yourself, you must watch CNN. They will remind you of how terrible and unfair America is, and how it is all your fault. CNN is the best depressant if you are too high on life. It works better than any “downer” pill.
You can also watch sweet Andy Cooper, and listen to him whisper sweet nothings about. . . nothing, as he flexes his chest under his tight black T-shirt and reports on. . . something. Someday CNN will pay him enough to buy some new clothes, if they ever get high enough in the ratings again to afford it.
Or, you can listen to Wolf “propaganda blitz” Blitzer, who longs for a world ruled by a new liberal Politburo composed of intellectual elites who know best for all of us peasants. He will explain how there was never any war in the world until America came along and started all the trouble, and how the American military is ineffective and can not win.
Or, you can listen to Christiane Amanpour, who should impress you simply because she speaks with a foreign accent, which to liberal Americans is a sign of superior intelligence and culture, and makes them think “we’re not worthy.” She will tell you why religious people are the reason for all the problems in the world, and that it is the people who believe in God (especially Muslims, Christians, and believing Jews) who are the unsophisticated troublemakers.
Or, you can listen to Richard Sanchez, who will tell you why you are a mean, hateful racist if you wish to see the laws enforced, and to secure the border of your country (if you are American).
Yes, there are real problems in America, as in any country, and there were stupid things done by the people in charge of the war in Iraq, and they should be held accountable for not taking care of soldiers.
But, Fox News may encourage you to persevere, to have faith, to fight “the good fight,” and to keep your dreams. CNN will remind you that you are really a loser who needs government and elite media to tell you what is right and wrong.
No, do not watch Fox News. It may encourage you to think for yourself, and then you may try to hold your government and media accountable. Even worse, you may begin to feel good about yourself and your country, American. That would be terrible, because then it willl be harder to defeat you.
I think you are saying something.am i right?
Yes zafarad, he is saying “Pass the beans please.”
“Some that speak no ill of any do no good to any! ! ! ! ! !”.
…or you can turn them all off and start reading.
So, Scousers have reached Estonia
LOL! *calm downski*
Suck me
Sorry about that, I had to steal and sell them for vodka money
I thought you needed the money to feed the bear!
I bet the car was owned by an estonian and the thieves were russians. I can fucking bet my money on it.
Igastahes, viimane, neegrid!
fake fake fake!! All photoshoped…
and I know abut that, trust me or check this: http://www.spymac.com/details/?2275336
This post is older than the crust on Babuska’s cootchie.
Aaarrrrrrrggggghhhhh
FUCK YOU!!!!!
j/k
Last 5 years i did heroin injections in a penis and then he has disappeared. Now on me an artificial limb and i fuck only sheeps .
I didn’t write this
Is your real name Igor?
I don’t know anyone in the US that would have a stupid name like Igor!
I do agree with you.either you don`t know about what was you did in deep sleep.i think your subconscious is wake up when you sleep.so thats why your true inner feelings we can see.don`t worry Texan man,every person has their black and white patches.if you wanna fuck poor sheeps,who cares.fuck and enjoy fun…………….
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Fuck USA !
But why?because INS rejects your visa application?
When I not write the Chinese fortunes for cookies I enjoy hot anal sex with russia boy.
Fuck you bitch,impostor.you may copy my style but where you found the true “essence”of my soul?again fuck you.Bitchi Bitch! ! ! ! !
Thanx for last night Texas1. You were very gentle and moist.
This is real Babuska. This above comment is fake, its not ME.
I have suspicion the filthy and pungent stink person who did this things is: TEXAS1!!!!!
Go to hell ,Texas!!!!! go do somesing of usefulness and put you sausage in donkey BUTTOCKS!!
You are no good useless pieces of american shit. Your country is rotting slowly from inside, and you march like fucking communist penguins to the song of your great leader. You are more interested in whose dick Britney Spears sucks, rather than your own wife. You are reading this post at work right now, and your wife is sucking a big dick of her emotional friend. You jerk off to JC Penney catalogs and Dallas Cowboys cheeleaders during the game.
You sick fucking people!!!
Ouch.
Victoria’s Secret catalog is better than JC Penney, unless you like more of the full-size girls.
две разных машинки в два разных времени : кто бы смог объяснить?
Блять этот бред был лет 15 назад….. и нех на Россию пиздить!
“Estonia, one of the most successful ex-USSR countries.”
smells bad.
estonia is quite criminal country.
More pics on same theme: http://www.auto24.ee/foorum/foorum.php?last_page=1&tid=90595#846121
enjoy!
in naples, italy, it’s worst.
Estonia is the faccistic country,which excludes another statement,”successful”.And it perhaps the only and single BMW,which is a big of a budget of Estonia.It’s proud but stupid and agressive country.Very pity that many russians are living there,as like behind the invisible barrier.
Unnecessary to remind that estonian jails are mostly populated with russian criminals because russians are too lazy to keep a decent job and it is a matter of honour for them to be a gangster or at least a small time crook for beginning. Reading criminal chronicles one can find that whatever crime someone has been caught for, he is very rarely having other than a russian name. I bet my ass those wheels have also been nicked by another Styopa P. or Fyodor A. or Sergey S or all of them together…
So your blind grief and jealousy over success of estonia is absolutely understood, slavian nigger, carry on with your bullshit!
very very sotoshop!
estonians fuck russians up in the ASS
estonians f u c k russians up in the a s s
russians are slaves in estonia
It has german license plate i think…..
This situation can happen only in ex Soviet Union countries.
estonians f u c k russians up in the a s s
Besides, you are worried about juvenile humour here?
…hmm.Point taken.
I just wonder what an ass-licking training manual would look like. With Executive Summary and Appendices. :)) “See Figure 1″…
I’m still waiting. How much longer is it going to take you?
AdultSlutFinder fuck you
He with long wiskers grow short on top.
No,no.these comments are not mine.imposter `Wise advise’is attacking.be aware of fake penetrator.
Thanks a lot,John.
No, US Corporations should pay dividends and lazy people like john should clean up their own mess.
“Thou shall not mistake soft for warm!”
The corporations are “virtual machines” established with a single purpose - to generate profit. Uber alles!
If they don’t do that - they are poor machines and shall be dismantled.
The purpose of corporation is NOT to clean industrial cities or take care of poor etc. unless absolutely NECESSARY under threat of penalty of loosing profit.
The cleaning up and taking care of etc. shall be done by other “virtual machines” established with that particular purpose in mind, like charities, social organizations, environmental protection funds etc.
When all those forces balance each other, the things get gong. As soon as the mistake their role - like corporation putting environmental protection over profit or social organization putting profit over their primary purpose of assisting the poor - they turn pervert and shall be eliminated for their own sake and for the sake of society.
If you do not keep this basic principle in mind, you will get something like Soviet Union - where nothing worked the way it was supposed to and which finally collapsed under its own weight.
You and your “virtual machines”. Profit is the corporations primary, not sole purpose. U.S. law considers the corporation as an individual with the same rights and responsibilities as any other citizen. A good company has a moral compass in thoughtful and responsible leadership. They do not need much regulation because their internal organization is designed to identify and correct waste and inefficiency. The bad corporation takes the approach of profits over all else. Such a single minded purpose often leads to unfair competition and criminal behavior. The good state must provide for the common good for both it’s human and corporate citizens. The rule of law ensures order, ssecurity and balance.
No, corporations should clean up their own mess then pay dividends. Lazy people like John should get off englishrussia and finish painting the spare room.
well, John, at first I wanted to call your comment “bullsh*t”, but then I realized that you actually are right.
why?
because you talk about “good companies” as opposed to “bad companies”.
“good” and “bad” are deeply human and subjective terms and as such they can not be logically or objectively assessed in principle. they can only be rated to some extend against individual’s very own scale of values (which keeps changing and is affected by motifs sometimes unknown to the individual itself).
thus, the companies which are “good” for you, may be “bad” for their shareholders and vice versa. and so on.
so the discussion of this kind is pointless anyway
P.S.
and yes, profit is corporation’s primary and very probably sole purpose, where other purposes are possible while they do not get in a way of the primary purpose.
in a way you can compare it to the real world, were survival by all means is primary objective for any create, but other things are also possible, like painting or poetry, while it does not get in to way of the main objective. sure, there are exceptions, but in business they normally are studied as cases of stupidity and not as being hero, as it often is in the real life.
of course, I am talking here about “real”, “normal” companies, not the ones created as a smoke screen for CIA or actually non-profit subsidiaries of some social organizations like GreenPeace etc…
and … you and your “moral kompass”.
take away the profit and see what happens. :))
“morality” and “care” expressed by corporations are expressed because their customers like it. change the customer attitude and businesses will change accordingly.
you talk like a kid or a saint. :))
… and, painting or poetry can actually increase your chances of survival (by seducing members of opposite sex or getting rich and famous etc.), just like care for environmental protection nowdays can increase company profit.
not because that is somehow “good” but because one can benefit (profit) from it.
The terms “good” and “bad” are used here in the commonly held definitions as determined by the larger society, not by the individual. Hence the rule of law and the common good. The arts are a form of communication notwithstanding your notion that they be used for seduction or fame.
I am certainly not a kid anymore and definitely not a saint.
Customers want value for money spent. The company that cuts corners on their product in the name of profit will soon incur the wrath of the customer.
The best example of good corporate citizenship that I know of is the Malden Mills story. After the mill burnt to the ground, the CEO Aaron Feuerstein used the insurance money to rebuild the mill AND continue to pay wages and benefits to his 3000 employees. Mr Feuerstein explained;
“I have a responsibility to the worker, both blue-collar and white-collar. I have an equal responsibility to the community. It would have been unconscionable to put 3,000 people on the streets and deliver a deathblow to the cities of Lawrence and Methuen. Maybe on paper our company is worthless to Wall Street, but I can tell you it’s worth more.”
1)
“The company that cuts corners on their product in the name of profit will soon incur the wrath of the customer“
Exactly. They will loose profit because of that.
2)
And, don’t get me wrong, I appreciate what Mr. Aaron Feuerstein did - he acted as a good person.
Did he act as a good CEO? - That is a different question. If he kept his job - he probably did. Good CEO does not act basing on emotions. He is accountable to shareholders up to the extend of going to jail and loosing everything he owns, if he acts against interests of shareholders. Whatever reasons he had.
3)
Again - companies get established to make money. MAKE MONEY. That is why they get established and that is how they are evaluated and ranked. The more money they make in long term, the “better” companies they are for their shareholders. Views of “larger society” you mention above, are only relevant as much as they affect profit (As a matter of fact they often do to certain extend).
“determined by the larger society, not by the individual”
Ah, so… Society is made up of individuals, no?
Or you a supporter of the idea that the “society” is superior of the individual? The idea the Fascists and Communists were so keen about. They killed millions, implementing this wonderful principle.
P.S. Remember the Italian word “fascia”, which gave name to the Fascism?
OK, my previous comment may seem to be edgy, but I want to convey the message, that there is no point in getting angry on companies for trying to profit at any cost, because that is what they are naturally made for. That, and nothing else. Thinking otherwise is wishful thinking.
The other issue is that either the society or any individual has full rights to defend its interests in any legal ways it choses to. Which is also natural. That is what the democracy and free choice is for.
Different sides of the same coin.
I am sorry, you have misunderstood. Yes, a society is made up of individuals. But in the case if a democratic society your second question meaningless. Briefly, the concept is stated thus: “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.” Preamble to the U.S. Constitution
adopted by convention of States, September 17, 1787.
There must be a balance between the profit motive and the common good.
P.S. Good discussion.
Agree.
And it should be there (and it basically is) for benefit of both sides - the corporations behave as if they were “good” to please customers and make their profit that way one way or another, directly or indirectly, and the society gets what it wants from corporations and rewards (or punishes them) them paying for it one way or another, directly or indirectly.
Just like biology. Behavioristics. Dr. Pavlov.
I understand your message, I just don’t agree with strict laissez-faire as an economic policy. It can hurt people(including stockholders). Think of Enron or the current sub-prime mortage crisis in U.S. banking. Individuals seeking redress from corporate malfeasance have little chance against the enormous power of modern coporations. Such excesses erode confidence in the fairness of the economic system. The state is the only entity that can directly challenge corporate power. It must enforce regulation to maintain a balance of interests and thereby assure confidence.
You see.
Top management of Enron committed crime. The moment they decided to do so they became plain criminals, hurting the society and, first of all, their shareholders. Whatever motivation they had. They crossed the line and by doing so they excluded themselves from the game. Become “legitimate target” to everyone. Not any “good” or “bad” - just criminals.
When I say “go for profit, because that is what you are made for”, it naturally comprises the notion of staying inside the game field.
No one should violate the law! Because that is what keeps it all together. That concerns corporations (tax evasions, pollution, carcinogens in food stuff etc.) as wel as the society itself (eco-terrorism, illegal strikes, sabotage etc.).
P.S.
In regard to society it sometimes is overlooked - remember all those leftist and antiglobalist protests - burning cars and demolishing shops. Some say - “How cute! They are fighting for their rights!”. I would say that they are criminals and shall be imprisoned.
CEO cheating on taxis for sake of profit of his shareholders and leftist radicals wreaking havoc in the streets - they are equally breaking the rules.
P.P.S.
This spring I spent a day sitting in Copenhagen Airport waiting if I will be able to leave for Amsterdam or shall I sleep the night over in the lobby. Some of the Airport staff had gone on illegal strike. I was lucky to get aboard a plane staffed by Swedes instead of Danes. About 90% of other people were not that lucky and had to stay in the Airport for days. I saw a team of little African children crying, because they could not get home. A lot of people were desparate and suffering material and moral losses. Just because of some leftist trade union dickheads, who had suddenly decided “to fight for their rights” regardless of anything. Who will compensate to the people who suffered? No one! In a best case the “evil” COMPANY will pay some compensations! Of course not that gang of leftist jerks. Now talk about *social responsibility*.
well…
agree
I believe you are refering to a wildcat strike by members of the CAU. The leadership of the Danish Cabin Attendants Union did not authorize the strike making it illegal. I do not know what the issues were, but in addition to the disruption you describe, such an action would almost certainly undermine negotiations. Most labor agreements require the company to recognize the union (i.e.representatives) as the sole bargaining agent for included employees. As such, the striking members would be acting on their own behalf and could be subject to discipline up to and including discharge. A strike is an action of last resort in contract negotiations. A wildcat strike is an act of desparation justifiable only in extreme situations such as safety.
Right you are.
You know, all that “right” and “left” thing shall be judged in accordance to the situation you find it in. None of them is “good” or “bad” inherently by itself…
And they shall counterbalance each other, like that
Yes.