Soviet Weddings
This is a gallery of the paintings depicting Soviet weddings. No much photos left from those times, but there are some drawings left.
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First!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ha! how do you like that?
What an idiot!
Its beyond me to understand how anybody can take this person’s comments seriously. Or what’s even more comical, is how he tried to give me lessons in history. LOL!!
What a little moron.
Hi Boris,
I don’t mean to be offensive, but you truly are in a serious, intensive care -like need of a history lesson.
P.S. As I’ve faced such accusations from you before, I’m going to state in advance that I am not a nazi.
“As I’ve faced such accusations from you before, I’m going to state in advance that I am not a nazi”
Sure, thats what they all say.
If you try to talk to Boris Abramov as if he would be sensible person, you are dooming yourself to failure beforehand.
People have tried that before here.
You can not beat an idiot because idiots are so ingenious, full of energy, they live in their special plane of reality (Wonderland) and are not bound by laws of logic.
In all practical terms for us here he is crazy. So treat him as if he would be crazy and relax.
LOL!
You must be psychotic.
Feel insulted?
allright i like ukrainian on…laskavo prosymo….
real first right here
Boris,
This makes me excited about the day I get rid of Ludmilla and we get married. I want to wear pretty dress like #8.
Love always,
Pootie Poot
Contrary what the caption seems to imply, those are not documentary sketches. Those are propaganda paintings designed to give the impression of how nice things are under the Soviet rule.
Kinda like Norman Rockwell paintings, huh?
http://www.artrenewal.org/images/artists/r/Rockwell_Norman/large/Rosie_the_Riveter.jpg
Ha! I was wondering who the hell some of those remind me of. Norman Rockwell, of course! Just as lame. Incidentally, your link is dead…
And, shoulda pointed this one out before: caption is wrong yet on another count. The car in Pic. 10 is Volga GAZ-24, which dates from the late 60s at the earliest. Plenty of still cameras around then, even in Russia.
Rockwell was a great illustrator. His subject matter was similar to these artists, common people in everyday situations. Although many of Rockwell’s paintings for the Saturday Evening Post were whimsical, some held tremendous emotional impact. Each of these paintings tell a story that photographs can seldom duplicate.
Yes, that’s true, John. I think every one of us would like to live in Rockwell’s warm fuzzy version of America, where we can fix anything and things just get better and better.
I hate be cynical though, I like that fantasy as much as anyone. I’ve just never seen it in person.
Yes, Rockwell has been criticized for the popularized content of his paintings. But he was commissioned by a mainstream magazine for many of them. Consider also a painting in which a little girl is escorted to school by U.S.Federal Marshals. It is a less than flattering statement about American intolerance.
Ha! I remember that one. I saw it in a Soviet school. The spin was that the kiddo got arrested for trying to go to the white school.
“commissioned by a mainstream magazine” - What a choice of words! LOL
Things do keep getting better though. Sure, we hit a short term snag in our lives every once in awhile. However, I think we are all richer today then we were 5 years ago, 10 years ago, 15 years ago and so on.
Some are, some are not.
“Some Most are, some are not.”
There. Fixed it for you.
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SomeMost are, some are not.”There. Fixed it for you.
Cynical is 100% correct.
I’ve been around the world. I haven’t been in every country but I have seen enough to say that the US is the best country in the world. If John was as “worldly” as he thinks he is then he would strongly agree too.
I thought you didn’t believe in Santee Claus, cynical
Some are, many think they are, some are not. That’s even better.
Ha ha! You pathetic braiwashed neocons make me laugh
Hmm… Well, you could copy and paste that link in your browser,
or go here:
http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/art.asp?aid=15&page=2
This one looks exactly like a propaganda poster, copy and paste link in your browser:
http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=3236
Great links. Thanks.
The Post cover from November 24, 1945, Mother and Son Peeling Potaotes, is on of his most powerful images.
Does the sun ever shine?
Not in your commie version of KKKLansas.
In your case, its another bad day on Wall Street.
No, it’s another beautiful day in Texas. The temperature is 90F, I have a cold drink out at the pool and am typing on my wifi connection.
Well if you like 90 degrees and 100% humidity then I guess it is beautiful. Better stay by the pool and keep those cold drinks comming.
jealous?
Слушай, Ублюдок, гнилой советский интеллигент, без роду и племени, ты когда-нибудь заткнешь свой вонючий помойный ротик? Тебя чем так Россия обидела? Что, так и хочется поливать и поливать страну дерьмом по каждому поводу? Выложили здесь фотки про войну - ты лезешь со своими идиотскими комментариями про фашистскую Россию. Выложили туристические буклеты - ты там придрался к поднятой руке. Выложили картины свадеб, вроде и придраться не к чему - но нет, твой воспаленный ущербный мозг и здесь что-то выдал. Другие съёбывают из страны и молча сидят там за границей с гамбургерами за щеками, а тебе всё неймется? Ты по жизни, скорее всего, самая настоящая продажная мразь. Ты же, блядь, даже хуже этих русских малолетних долбоёбов со своими “firsstttt”. Честно говоря, слава Богу, что вот такие упыри как ты, сваливают из России. Генофонд нации в какой-то мере очищается. Ты своих родителей, породивших такое уёбище, забрать с собой не хочешь случаем?
Почему бы тебе не пройтись по ссылке http://russophobe.blogspot.com и не порадовать там своими опусами ЦРУшников, которые держат этот сайт? На этом сайте, подобное тебе западное лицемерное гнильё, будет только радо твоей писанине. А отсюда, будь добр, пройдись вдоль хуя и не порти здесь людям настроение.
почему столько возмущения, дорогой фрэнд?
а как тольо кто-нибудь посмеет позубоскалить над великой Рашкой - какая “Ярость Благородная” подымается!!!! о-го-го!!!! страх!
а не пойти ли тебе нахуй, дарагой таварисч? сиди в своей великой вонючей Русне и радуйся какой ты великий и неповтаримый. чмо, бля!
Я полагаю, что я выражу общее мнение, сказав: “пошел на хуй, гандон штопаный.”
У тебя залупа ободранная, дерьмосрань ублюдочная!
Антон, тебе нравятся эти свадебные рисунки?
Ты сам часом не рисуешь акварелью такие же пафосные картинки? Твоих родителей нет там на картинках?
Они наверное так же справили такую же свадьбу в деревне своей?
Антон русский патриот.
На, вот посмотри, классная свадьба.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0h-n5kKsec
They *do* look quite idealized. I just couldn’t help but laugh at the honeymoon-through-the-construction-site one though.
It is not a construction site. It is what new neighborhoods look like POST-construction.
…I am only half-kidding here.
you both are right.
1) “construction site” theme was one of the favorite propaganda cliches used widely to show how efficiently the country is developing
still, we have to remember that because of the chronical lack of materials and general chaos the construction used to take so long (many, many years) that finally you could not be actually sure, is the construction still going on or is the building site just abandoned.
2) yes, in many places neighborhoods looked like this even after the construction was over. grass covered piles of abandoned construction material - usually unusable, as usable was stolen. the lack of normal pathways was notorious, so pools of mud and water with some bricks in it with board over them for walking - it was common sight.
I remember, I was in Moscow in middle eighties. What surprised me that Moscow, being nominally the world class capital, reminded a huge village to me. Underdeveloped surroundings, blocks and blocks of gray uniform flat buildings with muddy yards, looking like the one we see on a picture here, with boards thrown into muddy puddles for people to walk on. And that was in the center of the city.
Thanks for these wonderful illustrations. There are many fine paintings here but the first one is excellent. The artist is a master illustrator and has captured the moment perfectly.
Stick it up your ass commie.
Stick with your stocks. You’ll get your money back. Someday.
Come on Texas1, that was so childish. So why is John a “commie” then? Is it because he is sometimes critical of Bush or his domestic and foreign policy? Is not encouraged for patriots to question their Government? Is that how it works among you neoconservatives, - the divine leader is to be trusted and never questioned?
It’s good to be critical but the statements that he makes are outright lies. It’s as if he takes all the bull that Michael Moore says and multiplies it by 100.
You wish.
C’mon John, I bet you consider Michael Moore movies to be your only source of news about current events.
Nope. Not even close.
Now there’s a straw man argument. Play nice, Texas 1, or we’ll all ignore you.
Go douche your ass fag.
It’s only Sunday afternoon and you are already reviling people.
Plonk
US installed misiles aiming them @ russia; why?
Dear elisei_zorine,
if you are referring to Poland and the Czech Republic, we are talking about 10 anti-missile -missiles, which (the US states) are against potential missiles from Iran in the future. And the flight route to US from Iran goes straight over Poland & the czechs.
The US is not aiming missiles @ russia. In fact, the only one who has talked about aiming missiles is… *ta-daa* Russia, who has threatened to aim its missiles at European targets should the construction of these anti-missile -sites begin. I don’t know, maybe govenment news agencies in Russia don’t tell that story to you, so I’ll excuse you this once.
We’re not talking about nuclear missiles here. These missiles can’t even be aimed at Russia, since they are anti-missile -missiles. Even imagining they were used AS DEFENCE against russians in some remote point in the future, there’s only TEN of them, and in no way prevent the thousands and thousands of Russian nuclear missiles from tearing Europe and the world apart..
Hannu,
Finland
So you believe Bush? His track record is not very good. Believe me, this has less to do with Iran and more to do with bullying Russia. The Iranians have no ICBMs and won’t for some time. Would it not be better to seek containment and disarmament instead of re-igniting a cold war arms race?
More bullshit by an uninformed moron.
I personally don’t - in fact, I would like to see him impeached and I am looking forward to seeing his ass reamed by an investigative commission in 2009 over Iraq, among other things (not really - neither Hillary nor Rudy would have the balls for that).
… on the other hand, I trust Putin even less, and I simply don’t trust his pal Ahmadi-whatever-the-fuck-his-name-is, period. A handful of antiballistic missiles is a whole lot cheaper solution than going to an all-out war to contain that maniac.
Smart thing to do would have been a strategic alliance between the U.S. and Russia to contain Iran, but since both administrations benefit from higher oil prices… not gonna happen.
I would also like to see Bush/Cheney impeached. You are right, it’s unlikely to happen. But Putin did make an effort at cooperation at some risk to himself when he gave the U.S. a free hand in central Asia. No strings were attached, but the U.S. repaid the favor by attempts to undermine Putin. You are also right about an alliance between Russia and U.S. It could still happen. Putin bought some time by his counter offer, but the outlook is bleak at the moment. Ahmadinejad doesn’t have the power we ascribe to him and he won’t be there for long anyway. The best course of action for the next U.S. President would be to remain firm in opposing nuclear armaments while makeing overtures to Iran for cooperation, possibly in conjunction with Russia, India and China.
>maybe government news agencies in Russia don’t tell that story to you
True, almost all channels are government-controlled and biased, such as Rossiya.
>the thousands and thousands of Russian nuclear missiles from tearing Europe and the world apart..
Very interesting article: http://slate.com/id/2173108/
On a more serious note though, I would like to quite myself again, because I really want people to undersant how this madness could develope into something really terrible.
“On that note, your comments remind me of what US is doing right now. Knowing full well that the “US Missile Defence Shield” will lead to the new arms race and the new Cold War, US still insists on going through with this madness. Don’t they understand that the new Cold war could well develop into real war very quickly? Why doesn’t the US want to live in peace? Why is this crazy proposal not being stopped immediately, before the whole world will suffer the consequences of the new Hot War? - This is madness, and the people behind this project must stop before it’s too late!
Just ask yourself this: - who is starting the new cold war?
Besides people like Texas1 and hck, I also call upon all western media to stop this constant attack on Russian state, no mater how much you might dislike Putin or his policies, because if you will produce propaganda – so will the Russia government. If this happens then this hate between Russian people and the people in the Western countries will only increase, which will give way to an easy escalation of the new Cold War.
We, all over the world, must show that people power still exists and that we cannot allow some crazy aggressive government with fucked up president to jeopardise world peace!! Do whatever you can, protest, demonstrate, anything to discourage NATO from installing “US missile defence shield”, for it might be the biggest mistake in History!
Don’t do it for Russia or moron Putin, - do it for the whole world!!”
Be more wise people!
Where has my commnet before this one gone?
I ATE it! Mua-ha-ha-ha!!!
Nobody takes Russia that seriously. Russia would like to dream that they could ever be in the position to support another cold war but it just isn’t going to happen.
Honestly, thinking Russia is in that position would be like thinking that Mexico or Cuba could start a cold war. It’s a joke.
Russia can’t even afford to keep an eye on their own nuclear stockpiles and nuclear waste.
I hope you are right, for world’s sake. But judging by the amounts of anti-russian propaganda, twisting of public opinions, political sabotage and the aggressive foreign policy - US don’t seem to think so
That’s not true. Islam is the enemy. Unfortunately, Russia keeps showing their support towards Islam.
Islam is not the enemy.
Examples of anti-Russian propaganda?
Haven’t got any? Thought so. Next!
Here is the most hilarious and at the same time outrageous one I could find:
http://englishrussia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=997
If you want more examples, please wait until tomorrow.
Good nite Bastard
Nice try. It is not propaganda - it is an opinion, and a stupid one, at that. What I want is a demonstrated case where gov’t attempted to manipulate public opinion. Not that it does not happen, but I have not seen believable stories that it happened in regard to Russia lately. And why bother, anyways? If one wanted to fuck with Russia’s reputation, it is pretty damn near impossible, because it can’t fall much lower…
Sarah Mendelson is from the Center For Strategic And International Studies(CSIS) a right wing think tank. CSIS members include a number of former Bush administration people like Richard Armitage (Iraq war architect) as well as cold warriors like Zbigniew Brzezinski. This organization has considerable influence on U.S. foreign policy and functions as a shill for the adminstration.
And that automatically means they are shilling for the White House? Prove your assertion.
Bastard, either you are dumb or blind. One needs to be a complete moron to say that the link that Boris gave to you isn’t typical propaganda. Aren’t opinions propaganda? If they are not, so what is propaganda - facts? No buddy, facts are facts. And when both facts, opinions are strenuously inflicted upon the people’s minds through media (that what’s being done) - it is called propaganda. Current western newspapers remind me of old Soviet Trud, Pravda, Izvestia and so on. There’s a Russian website, that collects western dirty propaganda and translates those crappy article into Russian - http://www.inosmi.ru . American propaganda just acts against itself in this case. And we save money on creating our own.
As common among Russians, you are confusing a statement put forth by a government-independent news source (a concept totally alien to Russia) and a paid propaganda piece. The former may be accurate or not, biased or otherwise, but the latter is downright evil.
And you can’t read ‘em in the original English, either. Case closed.
Start with the U.S. State Departments Human Rights report on Russia. Any article about Russia in the Wall Street Journal or The Economist (especially articles by Edward Lucas). If that isn’t enough torture, any articles on Russia in The Weakly Standard or the National Repuke.
Oh? I’ve read that one. Dovetails nicely with my own assessment. If you can indicate specific points you would like to refute, I am all ears… Well?
If you have read this rather voluminous report, then you know it is filled with unsubstantiated statements, heresay, and cases pending a hearing. Other cases were simply repeated from prior years, again pending legal outcome. The Report was designed to alarm the uncritcal reader and provoke outrage on the part of the Russian government. There are cases of rights abuses everywhere including the U.S. The question is how the rule of law is applies to remedy each case.
Once again, specific points you would like to refute?
Why don’t russia install missile defence shield in Cuba and clam that it’s aimed at North Korea and not at the US? Russia would certainly have more credible argument..
“And the flight route to US from Iran goes straight over Poland & the czechs” - dude, you cannot be serious? Please buy yourself a world map! Ok, if you have such deficits in Estonia I shall provide one for you:
http://web.mit.edu/kenta/www/one/world-map.png
Now little boy, look at the map and tell me if you could draw a straight line between between Tehran and Washington and tell me if this line passes anywhere through Poland or Chach republic?
While you are there, tell me if you can draw the same straight line between Moscow and Washingotn and tell me if this line passes through Poland and Chech republc? Hope you get my drift.
I honestlly do onot belive that there is even one person in Europe abouve the age of 10 who actually believs such absurd excuse for installing the missle shield. This person has to be neo-con propagandist playing to the alien to reality redneck audience watching the Fox channel (who cannot read never mind make sense of the world map) in order to support their acts of pure aggression. My God, who could actually believe a clear lie like that? How dumb is the american public? I am speechless…
“We’re not talking about nuclear missiles here” - oh com’on, you are not a dumb redneck. Shurlly you realise that they could be converted in whatever US wants them to be. And why not? What’s russia gonna do about it?
Dude, the Installation of Missile Shield is far from being a laughing matter. But what you just wrote there made me wet my pants
I can’t belive people are actually debating such a laughable comment. What has the world come to?
Er… dare I point out that, unless you have a gnomonic projection map (not fucking likely), the Great Circle route (the route ballistic missiles take) will NOT be a straight line? It’s, like, Navigation 101… Toss your ruler and get yourself a globe and a thread, then come back and take your words back.
Thanks again, I have a globe, but I am forced to make the same conclusion. WTF is wrong with you? Are you really that dumb, or do honestly believe that anyone is going to believe such frankly comical propaganda
The shield would only work is for some reason the missle form Tehran were to make a totally unnecessary loop adding a few thousand miles to the route. Man, you are too much 
Well, I don’t have a globe handy. But if you think that missiles can only knock down things directly overhead, you are wrong. I would say that Poland is the closest location to the flight route where such installation would be politically palatable. Plus (extra cynical mode on), it is a whole lot better if radioactive debris fall out in sparsely populated and already polluted beyond belief Russia, than in Europe, isn’t it? (extra cynical mode off)
Get a globe and then we talk
Man, i can’t belive I have to prove something as obvious as that 
Well, you started with an idiotic assertion that a Great Circle route would look like a straight line on a polyconic (I assume - the actual projection does not matter, if it is not gnomonic) map. So far, the only thing you have proven is that you don’t know shit about maps or navigation. The only thing you still have to prove is that you are not as stupid as you look. Good luck.
Prove that you are not a braindead redneck, by proving that you assumtion about the missile “shield” is based on your own observation and not on what FOX news is feeding into your little head on the daily basis. Prove it!
This is called an ad hominem (assuming you know what that means) attack and carries zero weight whatsoever. But I’ll bite anyways.
Well, I do have a Ph.D. from a leading university. I would have sent you a scan of my diploma, but I value my privacy, thank you very much. More on a subject, I am working towards becoming a certified yacht captain. What are YOUR credentials?
“the only thing you have proven is that you don’t know shit about maps or navigation”
Ok, tell us your version. We are all dying from anticipation!
Hello again to the twins Boris/Justin,
It would seem my ouverture has escalated into an entire thread of its own. A world where Great circles are straight lines, and a consequence, the Earth is flat.
Oh, and missile flight-routes aren’t the lines already drawn on the globe either.
Besides your ability to navigate, I would like to question your literacy level. The fact that you think I live in Estonia puzzles me in the utmost, as I tend to note “Finland” to the end of my every post.
Hannu,
Finland
Here, moron boy, is a Great Circle plotter: http://gc.kls2.com/. If you plot, ZAH (airport in Iran) to, say, LGA, BOS or ORD (NYC, Boston, MA and Chicago, IL, respectively) route, you’ll see that the Great Circle passes over the Eastern Europe. On the other hand, if you plot routes from OVB (Novosibirsk), IKT (Irkutsk) KHV (Khabarovsk) or GDX (Magadan), all in Siberia, where Russian ballistic missiles installations are, you’ll find that the routes pass over the North Pole and even Alaska. So, once again, WHICH missile the defence system located in E. Europe is likely to intercept - the one launched from Iran, or the one launched from Siberia? Look, I am cynical about gov’t as much as the next dude (possibly more so), but on THIS occasion, the stated goal appears to be the true one. And, as I said before, if it contains Russia as well (it won’t, the missiles would have to be in Canada for that) - so much the better. I trust Putin only a tad more than I trust his pal Ahmadi-whatever-the-hell-his-name-is.
Oh, and by the way..
A missile can be knocked out in flight without making it explode.
Hannu,
Finland
…and fall where?
Preferably in Russia. It’s already polluted beyond belief.
…but just as likely on someone else’s head.
It’s like I said. The former republics don’t trust the Russians and they have asked the US to be there. It’s not like we are twisting their arms. We are happy to make friends with the former republics.
Cynical’s point is true.
Also, it is because all of the former republics fear a Russian invasion and have asked the US to be there.
Overthrow Putin (Muslim loving fagot) and join the French & US in their fight against Islam!!!
Now now, remember your Corinthians.
an eye for an eye - Exodus 21:23–27
Dude, you are contradicting yourself again. You’ve just said that “Cynical’s point is true” and yet you are clearly admitting that the US missile shield is aimed at russia.
Ahh, you must be just confused
Mind you, neo-cons seem to get confused quite often these days 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHA6SNrQTXE
Or is it just a texan thing?
прикольно
Once again, John crawls away in defeat and sinks into his miserable commie lifestyle where all of his problems are someone else’s fault and there are never any opportunities.
You wish (again).
What a miserable person you are.
You were talking about John. Right?
Or perhaps he just has a life besides English Russia?
WTF is going on here? Relevance??
There was a nice discussion of the artwork a while back. you might have to look carefully to find it though.
Again many thanks for these wonderful illustrations. There are many fine paintings here but the first one is outstanding. The artist is a master illustrator and has captured the moment perfectly. The paintings 11, 12, and 13 are so luminous. They appear to be by the same artist. Does anyone know the names of any of these artists? A wedding is a joyous occasion of happiness and hope, how could such an event be portrayed otherwise?
First picture here is historical by the way. It shows my grandparents wedding.
Their expressions are priceless.
The paintings were so full of life and the beauty of a wedding. There were so many joyous events to witness and one of the people here, it was his grandparents. What a nice collection.
Agree. Pure beauty.
Image
I wonder if those two cranes collapsed shortly after the honeymoon.
No offense meant by my comment, I like Russia (I live in the Midwest USA).
You people need to relax. Get out and do something on your weekend….. like normal people. Arguing about arguments and points and proof and what not….jeez….relax, enjoy life.
Hi D. Yes, This can get out of hand sometimes. This time I was lucky. We had rain much of Sunday. On the other hand, for me every day is a weekend. Keep up the good work D. See you up top.
has anyone noticed how EMPTY are tables of wedding parties ?
Russian wedding nowadays:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YM4gYSNCYs
Gold Star
http://select.nytimes.com/2007/09/10/opinion/10krugman.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Beautiful drawnings
Yowza! Now THAT was a flame war!!! (Just like the good old days, pre-WWW)
Sorta takes me back
snifl- (wipes nose and departs)
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For its part, the Danish Film Institute is submitting a 1923 Danish film that is one of the earliest examples of a viable talking film; an animated sausage commercial film from the mid- 1930s that uses Dufay Color, a mosaic screen additive system that …
“Painting, like music, has nothing to do with reproduction of nature, nor interpretation of intellectual meanings. Whoever is able to feel the beauty of colors and forms has understood non-objective [abstract] painting.” — Hilla Rebay
No, I believe in keeping the fruits of my labor. That’s why I am all for low taxes and against pissing money on stupid invasions of two-bit camel-fucking countries which have nothing to do with terrorism.
We in the U.S. have been fortunate in many ways. But greed is getting in the way of some of our values and we are paying for that. I do not agree with you on many subjects but I do want the United States to prosper and live up to its promises. The only way to do that is to promote peace and cooperation. The only way to do THAT is to slow down importing everything and stop the exporting of war. Many people think they are doing well yet they are over mortgaged. The only reason the markets didn’t crumble recently was due to the (socialist) action of a Federal bail out of the lending institutions. It’s a band aid and the effects won’t last long.
Who’s brainwashed and who’s a neocon? Awwww, so sad. Boris has been defeated again. Too bad little monkey.
You have been out in the sun too long. And better make that your last beer.
Yes, I am prepared to be defeated in order to have a good lough
“I haven’t been in every country but I have seen enough to say that the US is the best country in the world” - HA HA HA! Man, doesn’t he just reinforce all the american stereotypes
Great comment, John! You are a ture american patriot!
No, some banks made bad decision, and should have paid for it. Bailout perpetuates idiots, including those CEOs that made stupid calls in the first place. Now, if the banks went bust and CEOs ended up panhandling in the street, there would have been fewer idiots in the future.
Still, I agree. This is only a bandaid: the only thing that can save this country is a radical tax cut. I’d go for 10% flat rate, no exemptions. If that means fewer military adventures, so much the better.
Dear Boris Abramov,
I still love you my little Boris cuddly poo.
Love,
Vladimir
Well. You, I suppose, have been in every country in the world and, of course, know better?
Or is that you class conscience that guides you?
And I still love you my texan rose
Tax cuts are what got us where we are.
The markets will not crumble and lending institutions did not get “bailed out”. The Federal Reserve did cut interest rates.
Prove it.
Check out the board of trustees on their website.
The proof is all around you. Tax cuts haven’t helped you, have they? A few benefit, many think they have, and many more know they haven’t. This is a discredited economic theory. I am suprised that some people are still deceived by it.
ah. so you have noticed that too.
Speaking to yourself again
Yes they did (not enough, but still). You still failed to respond to my point: HOW tax cuts got us to “where we are” (whatever you mean by that). I am listening…
I repeat: And that automatically means they are shilling for the White House? Prove your assertion.
For the record, I am not saying that they are NOT. It’s just that in the absence of evidence, I have to stick with null hypothesis.
Uh, listen man.. Just because *you* use multiple nicks to create the illusion that your opinion has supporters, doesn’t mean the guy next door does.
I am a separate person. I can prove it by speaking finnish, a feat few here can perform.
Nyt loppuu se paskan jauhaminen Boris! Perkele!
See above comment.
Haista vittu! - so can I, if you catch my drift
Boris has demonstrated his unusual ability to swear in many rare European languages.
Which makes me think that he is either polyglot (not impossible though highly unusual) or (much more likely) he goes to some russophone chat channel where his gang of leftist friends hang up or emails some commy buddy and asks to translate a word or two - simple, quick and effective.
You can’t answer his question, can you? The same as you cannot prove in any way that the US Missiles Shild is aimed at Iran. I think we can all see who has clearly lost that argument, can’t we Mr. Scientist? Trust me, you will make yourself appear far less pathetic if you just say “I give up”.
With regards to “YOUR credentials”, you can say what ever you like, but that is of cource would be considered “ad hominem” as you yourself have pointed out. My credential are - that I am Neal Armstrong. Hope you get my drift
Thefore, I conclude, that you have failed to prove anything apart form the fact that you are middle-aged unemployed man living in his parents basement.
Case closed.
Prove me that backing flour is white. Prove it!
Now I will use cynical bastard’s tactic.
“(a concept totally alien to Russia)” - prove it!
The stated goal of CSIS is to guide U.S. foreign policy. CSIS receives funding from the U.S. government. Given the politics of CSIC members such as Armitage and Brzezinski and statements by Sarah Mendelson it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out what CSIS is about. The proof is in watching and listening to what is going on. Over time a pattern developes, intentions emerge, and events prove or disprove the veracity of an opinion. It is what all informed citizens do, you included. Neither of us are in a position to “prove” anything. We can only present the basis of our opinions for consideration.
LOL
John, this guy is clearly out of his depth. It’s also clear, that apart for saying “prove it”(which he has been on numurous association) he has nothing else to bring to the agrgument. Pathetic I know, but also quite comical
So *you* and *justin* are the same person? QED. And, no I won’t even bother answering your question: YOU have shown your ignorance, now live with it.
And who the hell is Neal Armstrong? Son of Louis? Score two for your ignorance.
LOL
So you can’t. End of discussion.
And what the hell is “backing flour”?
“The stated goal of CSIS is to guide U.S. foreign policy.”
Uh-huh. Notice that it is not the other way around. Hell, I can state that MY goal is to guide U.S. foreign policy… or that I am Napoleon. Just because ol’ Zbignew got delusions of adequacy…
“CSIS receives funding from the U.S. government.”
So do welfare moms. Your point?
“pattern developes, intentions emerge, and events prove or disprove the veracity of an opinion”
Uh-huh. Show me.
There you go: http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/10/11/news/russia.php
Want more?
So you give up then?
For the last time I am not Boris John or Texas1. I am Justin for Norwich - Norfolk - England.
And if you don’t know who Neal Armstrong is, then here is an educational link for you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Armstrong
So, neither one of you is capable of refuting any of the report points. Thought so. End of discussion.
Unlike lucky you. You know what is right straight away no matter what. No proof needed…
No, I terminate this discussion, because a. you don’t know what you are talking about and b. I am not getting paid for educating you.
Now come on, you know this isn’t prove
Its a missinformed, to say the least, opinion of the Editor. However, I could also call it, an intentional propaganda peace designed to manipulate public opinion. Russia should take some lessons from the US propaganda, its certainly is the best in the world 
Getting back on the topic, can you provide some “Proof” (not twisted opinions, perhaps facts) that “independent news source is a concept totally alien to Russia”? - Not that strongly disagree with you, either..
I guess that’s a “YES” then.
You know, I do genuinlly feel sorry for you. You have made yourself look pathetic.
Isn’t it funny how a person with a Ph.D. from a leading university cannot prove that the missile shield is aimed at Iran not russia.. hm
Certainly makes one wonder if anybody at all can prove that this is not just a groundless and frankly riduculus PR cry..
Having said that, I am sure that at least 99% of the world population see this as the most unconvincing lie that neo-conservative fascists have yet produced.
No, it’s you who looks pathetic. Trust me, it’ll come back to bite you in the ass… I’ll make sure of that.
End of discussion.
Looks like talikng beaver/Hannu/ornoxus has changed his name yet again. This is fun
Boris Abramov is a total crackpot, a typical brainwashed Russian living in his dreamworld. But if John from Kansas really is from Kansas, it’s pretty sad to see Americans buying into this crap as well and glorifying Putin’s Neo-USSR and the corrupt clique ruling the country now. But my hat off to you for at least attempting intelligent dialogue with those morons.
Fuck off, Boris. It’s getting tiresome.
Read the newspaper.
Psst… Hey cynical, you’re not being cynical enough. Did you know that shills are paid to spout the corporate right wing pro war line on forums like this?
You want an example of “anti-Russian propaganda”?
Look no further than “Texas 1″s posts!!!
Pld - that doesn’t surprise me any. Those who have not seen it up close and personal tend to. Now, if they were to spend a year in Russia on an average Russian’s budget, things would look quite different, no?
Move along now gentlemen. cynical has ended this dicussion.
Hi there
Where did you come from, kochanie? What’s this Nazis of the World Unite?
Now MR. pld, I would really like to know how exactly I might be brainwashed and most importantly by who or what. Surely someone (i.e. cynical bastard,or maybe you?) taking everything that George Bush says at a face value without a shred of evidence or even a reasonable explanation (i.e Missile shield being aimed at Iran) would be more suited for being called brainwashed? And surely calling someone(i.e. ME) who is is trying to find answers and question the whole issue, - Brainwashed, is frankly far-fetched, don’t you think?
BTW, who do you think the Missile “shield” is aimed at?
Take a nap then.
I don’t know you and don’t want to know you. So piss off!
If you have a problem with Boris take it out with him not me!
FYI, I am no psychic and I have no way to look into GWB’s head to find out his reasons. I simply said that the given explanation for the shield is a plausible one. If it works against Russia as well (it doesn’t, as Great Circle route from Russia would take missiles too far north, and there are too many of them anyways), so much the better: Putin is certainly saner than his Ahmadi-buddy, but not by a whole lot.
…having said that, I might add that it may well turn out to be the third intelligent action from the current administration over the last 7 years.
No, I don’t know who Neal Armstrong is. I know who Neil Armstrong is.
Too late. You have ended the discussion.
You know who he meant.
Move along now, cynical has ended this discussion.
Ha ha ha! You have gone from pathetic to pittyful!
What fucking “explanation” have you given??
Please show me your explanation. Where is it? Can anyone else see it? Or am I getting blind in my old age?
I repeat, moron, show me your plausible explanation!
If you don’t have one - stop wasting my fucking time little boy.
I certainly do. He, on the other hand…
And didn’t you acknowledge that I ended the discussion?
Yet here you are. So what are you doing here?
Well, wars are exactly that. A transfer of wealth from the poor, middle, and well off to the super rich.
Smedley Darlington Butler got it right, a long time ago.
http://www.bullnotbull.com/archive/war-is-a-racket.html
Quite a character.
…or a mirror.
Yes, and yet they call me brainwashed
Boris, this is the typical pattern of right wing authoritarians. Their opinions are shaped by the Bush administration, Glen Beck and Faux News. When you dig below the surface of their statements they come unglued.
“Or am I getting blind in my old age?”
No, you’re getting blind of masturbation - mental and otherwise.
Trolling. And watching the idiots - they are endlessly amusing. I didn’t say I am leaving, I simply ended the discussion. You, of course, might not like it… but, tough shit.
So, you are implying that I am getting paid to spout propaganda? C’mon, say it explicitly, be a man… or at least something resembling one.
You’re back? You like us don’t you. Anyway, you are certainly spouting anti-Russian propaganda. If you are paid for it then someone is wasting their money.
Hey man, what are you doing here? I am happy that you are back but if you want to get back in the discussion, you have to say something nice about Russia.
On the contrary, I am delighted. You only ended YOUR discussion. THE discussion is still in progress. Now, say something nice.
*shrug* Chicken…
OK. Russia sucks.
…and this is a pretty nice thing to say given the situation.
No no. Come on now, be positive…I have a link on tax cuts…
Good choice. Original or extra crispy?
I am positive… that Russia sucks. And, I don’t have time to follow your links, so why don’t you summarize the argument in a few sentences right here.
Oh, so that’s what you do for living - serve fast food? I should have known.
Say something nice…
So… not only you are unable to develop your own argument, you can not summarize somebody else’s, either.
…then again, what did I expect from a fast food server? It’s not like they need their brains, anyways.
You’re stalling.
Both of you are idiots.