New GAZ “Volga”
This is Chrysler Sebring, an American car from late 90s. And on the pictures below the new Russian GAZ “Volga” car which is going to be on Russian market from the next year:
They admit that this new Volga is based on a Chrysler car. The expected price is $18,000.
photos via carclub.ru
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Where would Russian companies be without American R+D?
Heh, Sebring, of all of them.
Daimler-Benz keeps saying that they want to unload Chrysler. It would be funny if they unloaded it to some Russian suckers. Could you imagine the changes?
Since the typical Russian has tastes similar to a Mexican, I can just imagine the new color schemes.
Haven’t they unloaded it already? Then again, isn’t it a part of Dodge, like Plymouth was? That’s too bad, though, because I wanted to see Dodge Dakota with Benz diesel…
they didn’t unload it. Diamler-Benz sold Chrysler to Cerberus, a private company. and, no, it’s not a part of dodge. and neither was plymouth. they’re all owned by parent, chrysler.
What?
Its all true. Word for word.
Oh really… Mexicans and Russian are real people.” NOt fake ones like you and your capitalist blood sucking whores
What is your taste gringo ? Tell us about it…
“…capitalist blood sucking whores.” Very good, I like that.
“…capitalist blood sucking whores.” Very good. I like that.
If the word “liberty ” doesnt exist in russian , then “tasteful” is certainly missing in american english
This is just myth.I agree with maxD,today every mainstream car is almost identical to others someway.no individual personality is differ from the other car.aerodynamic design gave every car to limited chance to create something absolute different machine.and you all aware of this news that German car companies are try to take some legal action against the Chinese car manufacturing firms.because of German `THINK`Chinese are copying their models and even they wish to sell in Germany! ! ! ! !.but this is very serious matter.Chinese are able to develop their very own designs just after few YEARS.they already invest huge amount for local R&D.
American cars suck. They’re unreliable, they’re made to break down, they run like shit, they end up in the junkyard in less than 10 years. There’s a good reason why the most popular vehicles in the U.S. are made by Japanese companies.
That may have been somewhat true two or three decades ago, but my 1990 model Olds is still going strong.
The alleged superiority of Japanese automobiles is a myth.
I’m just going to assume you’re a fucking idiot because if you had any sort of knowledge of the auto business you’d know that a majority of American cars are extremely well built. You’re just running your mouth off about bullshit you think you know just because you read a car magazine or internet forum every once and a while. I’ve worked several years as a factory trained mechanic for both an import brand and a domestic brand and trust me with first-hand experience, Japanese cars are not as reliable as you’d like to believe.
You can insert your foot in your mouth now.
Where would American R+D be without brain drain from all over the globe including Russia: Zvorykin (TV, electron microscope), Sikorsky (helicopters) - just to mention these two.
Yeah, Cynical Bastard, too (sure, I ain’t no Zvorykin, but I am reasonably well known in professional circles). Maybe if they learned to value and respect great minds back there in Russia, there wouldn’t be such a drain to a place where said minds ARE valued…
It’s not about reasons they left, it’s about their role in America and wider. On these points you agree as I see.
By the way ‘widely known in narrow circles’ — it’s about you isn’t it?
Uh-huh, about me. There is - quite literally - a dozen people worldwide in my field and none of them write for daily rags. I do have a few papers in leading journals to my credit, though…
And, bet your ass, reasons are important. If it weren’t for Soviet fucking Army in my case, lack of liberty (whaddya want, there is no word for “liberty” in Russian language?) and total inability to do science in Russia (in my case, early on because of conservatism and lack of communication with wider community, later - because of widespread kleptocracy), I wouldn’t see a reason to leave. I imagine, Zvorykin, Sikorski, Ponyatov, Prigogine and Brin, to name just a few, had similar reasons, which all boil down to lack of respect for independent minds
There is no word for liberty in English either, it’s borrowed from the French.
Heh. Fair ’nuff. May I point out, though, that there was need to borrow a term to designate a concept in case of English, and no such need in case of Russian. Why, I wonder? Because there was no such concept to start with?
clinical bastard, One think for sure you will never be associated even with ‘well known’ (not greatest) russian-origin scientist. You such a shit.
And what makes you think YOUR opinion matters?
I could not agree more! And those of you who consider intellect outflow to be the problem of just the 90s, are frankly deluded ignorant individuals.
I nearly always agree with cynical bastard. What does this say about Russia? They are 10 years behind the times with a car that was 10 years behind the times when it was first introduced.
By the way, today’s Ford’s and GM’s are pretty reliable vehicles. They are approaching the quality of Toyota & Honda. It won’t be long if it hasn’t already happened.
Can’t speak for newer cars (been driving assorted trucks since 1999, although Dodge’s Caliber, Challenger and Magnum, Chevy’s Cobalt and Ford 500 are quite the designs), but… I drive a 1998 GMC truck. Since 2002 when I purchased it used, the only time it spent in the shop beyond normal maintenance was for a set of tires. 120K miles on it, still running strong, and I am still planning on keeping it for at least a couple of years
Ford and GM are in trouble and everyone knows it. They still make good cars, but how much longer can they lose money?
They’ve got things under control. They were bleeding because of all of the union entitlements. The unions have finally conceded and there is opportunity at Ford & GM again. 10-15 years ago, you could go down on an assembly line and find a high school dropout making $100,000 a year. It’s not that way anymore.
The Union has not concede.
d.
Their trouble is with unions. Chapter 7, and toss the bastards out.
Trouble is in the economy. Unions just help the workes stay covered with health care and to receive fair benefits. GM is not selling cars like the japanese are in america, so they cannot afford to pay their workers, health care is the biggest issue, its not a GM issue, its a U.S. issue.
Has it EVER occured to you that it is not employer’s job to provide health care? Particularly in the U.S., where it is just a leftover of a skewed war economy?
Still, that explains why GM will come out on the side of Chmer Pinque (that’s former U.S. President Hillary Clinton) and other two-bit commies pushing for universal health care. Having experienced universal health care in the old Soviet Union, my resounding response to that is - FUCK THAT! And if you don’t have the firsthand experience, read Voinovich’s AntiSoviet Soviet Union.
So then who’s job is it to provide health care? Is it the individuals responsiblity to pay for health costs? In this way insurance companies will run the world, and everything will depend on whether you are covered or not, and they have the power to deny any claim based on any reason. Not the way I want my world controlled by some guy in a cubicle telling me to opt for the cheaper but more risky surgery just becase it will be covered by my plan. Insurance companies will become the new government. No thanks.
No, I dont have a first hand experience with universal health care, but it cant be worse than paying $200 a month for my health care (which is cheap btw), only to find out that money is being used to treat illegal mexicans who are draining our already strained health services.
In PA we have CHIP, a program that covers every child who is not already covered. Seems to work great. Why cant we expand this to everyone? Raise my taxes, i dont care, theres no way you need $200 a month from me.
You got it, einstein, it IS the individual’s responsibility. Last I checked, this is what this country is about. And, fortunately I am not in PA, because I see no good reason for paying for others or their vile spawn. Fuck ‘em: if their parents can’t provide for their healthcare, they should have been aborted.
And let me point out that it is NOT insurance money that is spent on treating illegals. It’s hospital’s money, because, thanks to a federal law, a hospital can not refuse treatment to an emergency room patient - hence long lines and mommas bringing their bastards in with a runny nose. Naturally, hospitals have to charge insurance companies more to recoup losses, but do you think it would change under hillarycare?
What ordinary pewrson earning ordinary money can afford health care? In Britain we had universal health care then Thatcher set in train the great privatisation con that Major Duck, Phony Tony (Blair) and Gordon the Moron (Brown)are continuing with - and now we have declining health. Still - that goes with our declining car industry, our dead truck industry, our de-railed rail industry, our sunk ship building industry, a our f**ked farms, our lights-out-at-midnight power industry. Putin has had the guts to do what weneed a political leaderto do in Britain - actually stand up for his country and his people. The only people British politicians serve are city slickers, spivs and fly-by-night rip off merchants. Wherever you all are, just remember - noneof you live in the undeveloping worold cos only Britain isstupid enough to undevelop itself. Our manufacturing secotr accoutns forthe same proportion of the economy as Zimbabwe’s post Mugabe factories account for in that abused country’s economy. Please - all of you American, Russian whatever - be thankful you ain’t British!
Dream on little facist.
Fuck off, you donkey-raping shit-eater…
Take it easy son, you don’t have to have a nervous breakedown(19th).
Wha? You called me a fascist (and you couldn’t even spell it right - what are you, a UAW member?), and I called you a donkey-raping shit eater. Both of us had exactly zero evidence to support either statement. Looks like we’re even…
YESSS!!!!and…Where would Americans R+D be without the german V2 rockets??juuuuuu
so TRUE, english for the concorde attempt, american for our space shuttle and many others
I own a Sebring and its a great car. However, the Russians did a great job cleaning up the design. kudos to GAZ.
Same place where the US would be without Russian oil and gas?
Which means, about where it is now? We don’t buy that much oil from Russia, y’know…
You are correct. The US only imports 1.5%ish (300 thousand barrel/day from the Russia)
Yes I can use my right mouse button.
And in 15-20 years it won’t matter because alternative fuels and electric vehicles will be more favorable, less expensive and more economical. GM is on the forefront with the new technology.
Not to be skeptical, but where does GM have a practical hybrid or electric car?
Honda has done some interesting work in hydrogen/fuel cell cars; I like their brillant idea of a natural gas to hydrogen converter for home fill ups.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_FCX
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2007-05-10-honda-fuel-cell_N.htm
When you can fill up with hydrogen at every corner (preferably produced from water, which means it ain’t gonna happen until fusion matures), we’ll talk about hydrogen car again. In the meantime, most every new GM car is flex fuel: runs on anything from pure gasoline to pure ethanol.
Incidentally, I am not convinced that there is ONE practical hybrid in the world now: all those added expenses never pay for themselves. I actually considered Chevy Silverado hybrid (yes, there is a GM hybrid - a truck, to add insult to injury) as my next truck, and all that added expense would never be recouped at current or even much higher gasoline prices.
My bet? Oil and synfuel short term (drive down I-81 near Schuykill in PA, they are building a synfuel outfit there), liquid biofuel longer term (engineer oil-producing plants for double photosynthesis yield, and you are set for life), both of the above fitting nicely into the existing infrastructure, and interchangeable battery packs once technology matures (I want 300+ miles range per charge) and infrastructure is in place. Hydrogen? Probably not gonna happen: it’s a bitch to handle, even though some nanomaterials hold serious promise.
I drive by there all the time.
Hydrogen is very practical and the research being done on it in the past few years has matured a lot. Its just a matter of time, but hydrogen is def the future. No need for fusion to create hydrogen. Its already being done by solar power. It can be stored in aluminum with a high density and refilled and extracted to and from aluminum with ease. Already being worked on. Everyday there is a breakthrough in this area.
Flex fuel is just temporary.
The Chevy Volt made a big splash in the news recently.
But 15-20 years is still a long time before these cars are common. Oil and gas will still rule for a while and America will be importing more and more from Russia, making its pockets grow and grow, helping the shift of the tides. Plus it takes oil to run factories and create plastics and a bunch of other shit.
Ya know, D., what is the greatest fear of OPEC? Sustained high oil prices. Why? Because high oil prices would spur innovation in developing alternatives to oil (synfuel is $40/barrel, thermal depolymerization produces oil at, IIRC, $12/barrel). Convince investors that prices are there to stay, and it might be profitable enough to sink a couple of Bs into a biorefinery or synfuel plant. Effect that switch, and it’s back to camel-based economy for sheiks and back to 1998 for Russia. I’ve always said - channeling Julian Simon, naturally - that human ingenuity is the ultimate resource.
Is Russia part of OPEC? Russia is OPEC’s main competitor and if OPEC raised its prices, Russia would be moving in on its revenue. Thats what their scared of. America is scared of the turmoil in the mid east, which would force it to buy its oil from one of its other enemies. (Russia, South America), feeding economies even more hungry for military might. Thats what america is scared of, having an economy controlled by other world powers instead of the gullible and greedy middle east kings who are just puppets of america. Russia is not scared because even with all the research being done in alternative energy sources, most power will still come from some form of natural resource, which russia controls alot of. The only real threat to oil and gas economy is solar power, which is still 50 years from being a viable option, even then to produce solar panels will take factories run on… you guessed it natural resources. (coal, oil, uranium, natural gas). We run off of the power of the earth and sun, there is no way around it.
You didn’t read what I was saying, didja? OPEC is NOT interested in raising prices, because that would enhance development of alternatives and reduction in demand (nor CAN they raise prices, except through reduction of suppies, a nontrivial task), and sheiks understand that well. On the other hand, Russian (and American, to be sure) kleptocracy seems to be interested in making a quick buck before they are tossed out on their asses in 2008. Hence, both sides are guilty of fomenting instability in the Middle East (Iraq adventure, weapon deliveries to Syria with tacit agreement that some of it ends up in Iran). You damn right Russia and OPEC compete - for markets, to be sure. And once the price of oil crashes to about $30/barrel (due to reduction in demand for whatever reason, or due to peace in Middle East, once the chief warmongerers are out of their offices), sheiks are in trouble, but Russia is plain screwed: it is not that much above production costs somewhere in Eastern Siberia. It is not enough to have the resource, it is important to be able to recover it at the cost that would actually pay for recovery effort.
…and you are forgetting fusion, which is chugging along quite nicely, although not as fast as I would like it to.
Theres alot of speculation in your theory. I proposed something thats already occuring, you propose something thats never happened (peace in the middle east? not anytime soon) (reduction in demand?, just the opposite). I agree they are all out to make a quick buck, but 2008 will only bring new faces, not a new policy. And I dont know how much more reasearch into alternative fuels we can do, weve been doing it since at least 2001, and we’re still a long way away from a replacement for oil. It will be easier to pump from siberia than replace a whole economy built on oil. Think about infrastructure (gas statioins, pipe lines, delivery methods, power generators, refinaries) would all have to be replaced. Not as cheap as pumping more blood from the earth in siberia.
Heh. I am not the one proposing replacing the whole infrastructure: if you were paying attention, I SPECIFICALLY pointed out that liquid biofuels would dovetail nicely with existing oil-related infrastructure. Hydrogen, on the other hand…
And if economic shit really hits the fan, you’ll get a reduction in demand quicker than you can say “global recession”. Remember 1998, and it was only trouble in SE Asia alone.
From all the research I have read on biofuels, they are just not feasable. Think of all the farming needed to create that biomass. Think of the biomass to energy ratio. It would take an unbelievable amout of biomass to generate the same energy as a barrell of oil. Plus all the energy and time and space and money required in growing, fermenting, and all the other hoops you jump through, you end up with a net energy of not worth it. I forgot who said it but some major sceintist just recently said something like, “all the farm land in the world could not produce enough biomass to replace oil”. Unless there is some major breakthrough on the horizon, but it doesnt look promising.
Fusion is at least 100 years away. Minus the plant they are building in France, which is still only to test the waters.
And U.S. has about 300 years worth of proven fuel reserves righ here in the mainland. It’s just cheaper to import oil for now, than to develop offshore Florida, ANWR, oil shales and synfuel, but this may change. Your point?
Incidentally, fusion may well be closer than 100 years. How about 50 or less to pilot power plant? Woulda offered you a bet, but I am unlikely live that long. Won’t bother explaining why, it’s not like you read Naturewissenschaften.
Reserves are just that, reserves, they will tap them only in emergency, even then its only enough to sustain for a relativly short time.
50 years is a generous time frame. It will take something like 10-15 just to build the pilot plant. Did they even start it yet?
(…or Meim Kampf…)
Incidentally, GM did have a pilot model of a semi-viable electric car (EV1) and I would have seriously considered Chevy Volt if I needed a car. If they offer similar mechanicals in a truck, I’ll think about it. BTW, Ford, IIRC, stuffed a fuel cell into Lincoln Navigator back in the 1990s… Technology IS there, but still, at 30 to 80K it is too expensive.
They will be releasing a new one shortly that gets more mileage on its electric cell and will be considerably less expensive.
I liked the old Volga better. More character.
Modern cars all look like used soap bars. Due to the windtunnel streamline they all look more or less the same. No individuality. The effect is stupid things like decorating your wheels [see a previous post].
I have a 95 Sebring. Great car. That looks more like the newer dodge stratus though.
Does it have the Mitsubishi engine?
It’s one of the first models. The 2.4L. They only made a few of those then started with the 2.5L. The galant, stratus, eclipse, sebring, and eagle talons all share the same frame, they are basically the same car with different shells. All borrowed from a japanese design originally intended for the eclipse, but it was so successful that american companies bought the frame and expanded on it. The only problem with 93-97 was the transmissions, most fail at about 70,000 miles. I went through two already and I’m about to replace a transmission in a 96 galant that I have so that my nephew has a car to drive when he gets his license next month. Probably too much info, but you get me started on cars, and I cant stop.
Its the LXi of course, leather seats, power everything, sunroof, infinity speaker system.
A friend of mine had a Sebring of that same vintage. He curbed it one night (fell asleep in the city) and popped both his passenger side front and rear tires and bent both rims.
That’s not the worst part though. In addition to that damage, somehow he managed to BEND THE FRAME. The fucking frame of the car. By driving about 25-30 mph slowly drifting into the curb.
American cars are junk and if you get one that lasts for more than a few years, consider it a miracle.
I’d rather hit a curb in an american car than a japanese car. Jap cars are death traps. American cars are safe. I hate jap cars, everytime I sit in a honda, I feel like I’m a jap in tokyo. German cars are my favorite.
BTW, I have two accords for sale if anyone is interested. A 96 v4 with 119,000 miles ($4500). and a 95 v6 with 67,000 leather seats and sunroof ($7500). And a 99 Buick Park Avenue with 90,000 ($7000). All automatic. I’m in PA. Let me know, I’ll point you to the link.
vhatever sputknock, judging by the backseats dhey both look like the car your seester slept in last night, and you was driving?
it is better if the Russians would build a German engineered and designed car.
Yes, but that would probably be in a completely different price category.
Yeah, like VW Bug… the original, of course
You are probably right…
It looks like they tried to steel th grill of that butt ugly Jetta.
18 grand for a shitty clone of Sebring? That’s what Sebring sedan goes for. Fuck that…
What a despicable language you are using, bastrad, There are young children on this site. You should be ashamed of yourself!
Fuck you Psyco,Bastard…..we are under age kids and you try to fuck our minds.shame on you.piece of shit.change your attitude imediatly.sin of thousands hogs……….
Funny
But not my comment 
Why are you so afraid?admit your comments.i am agree with you.
Hi Zarafad. Funny comment, but try to use your own screen name next time
Sorry, Zafarad.
Intelligent guy.but Sarah abramov i think yours not mine.again you are very sharp person.sorry to use your ID but i have to use it……………Boris abramov.
By the way Zafarad, what was wrong with your previous name - Sarah Abramov?
I know everything
Please MR,Cynical BASTERD sir,this site is for whom who bears good moral and character.please show your good side.thank you.BASTERD………….
Next time you post please use English for a change…
Ok….Basterd
Try again…
Basterd…………………….ok
STILL no cigar…
Spelling Lames are just annoying.
Si Amigo
The black champion presses upon and follows the man.who flees from it…………………………………
I agree with cynical.
For that price you can buy a brand new Toyota Camry LE or a Nissan Altima. Both will have a higher resale, provide a more comfortable ride, have an established dealer network and be more efficient.
The corolla is a piece of shit, comparable to the Focus, but you cant compare it to a sebring, entirely different class.
Oh, you said camry. A new camry or new altima will also go for about $20-30,000.
A new sebring goes for about $30,000
Well 18K is certainly cheap, so it does have the potential to take off. However, I would like to see the interior and specs.
I honestly can’t see this car selling for $9,000.
Well, if you consider that this monstrousity sells for $12,000 -
http://www.ladavanleeuwen.nl/images/Lada%202110/Lada2110.jpg
- I am pretty sure it might…
I don’t know. It seems to me that the Toyota dealers are selling 2007 Corolla’s for $14,000. I think I would try to come up with a few more dollars and go with the Toyota.
Except that in Russia, same Corolla would prolly sell for around 20K or so. Tariffs are a bitch…
So you are telling me that tariffs are 30%? No wonder people can’t afford good cars in Russia.
I am eyeballing that tariffs+kickbacks+protection payments add some 50% to the price of a new car: http://www.gazeta.ru/2004/01/05/korollevskaa.shtml - just scroll to the bottom, there is a price figure of exactly 20K I guesstimated. Well, hell, not too long ago you’d be able to get 2K for a 20 years old Gigolo (Zhiguli aka Lada)
Tariffs are a bitch all over the world. For example, Thailand has a nearly 100% markup tariff on passenger vehicles (partially to help curb traffic in major cities). A regular old BMW 325i which retails for $35k in the US will cost nearly $70k there after adjusting for currency differences.
The thing that really sucks for them is that they don’t build their own cars. India used to be the same way but now they have a handful of domestic manufacturers so more people can drive and there are less tariffs.
That is painful!
Prices for Corolla are even higer in the UK. The cheapest model is £11,000. With the current exchange rate, that would be about $21,000.
http://www.carpages.co.uk/guide/toyota/toyota-corolla-guide.asp
BTW, you know that Cadilac CTS is sold in the UK for the same price as BMW 5 Series? Now that’s painful!
Yeah, the tarrif thing is keeping imports down. But once Russia joins the WTO, things will quickly change.
Tarrifs are about $1,500 for a $10,000 car in Russia. Shipping is about $1,500 too. So your looking at like $3000 to send a car from the U.S. to Russia. I just did this with a caravan to Minsk, where tarriffs are even higher, and that was the cost. Still about $3000 cheaper than going to a dealership in Russia and trying to buy that american import. So a $6,000 markup on a $14000 corolla is about right.
07 Corrola’s are shit. Older models are better and more reliable.
Yes, but I see a lot of people buying those Toyota Scion TC’s and they seem ok. If I had a choice between an ugly Volkswagen Jetta and a Scion, I would definitely go with the Scion.
From that class, I would go with a Focus.
Good choice.
Heh. Looks like a faithful copy of 1980s Ford Tempo… Then again, given that famed Moskvich 2141 looks like a bad clone of Pontiac Phoenix (with 1.5L motor), not bad. Why Russian industry picks trashiest vehicles for cloning is beyond me. Look at Toyota: older Corolla was not a bad clone of classic Mustang, choose something exciting to rip off, finally!
Folks, ease down a little bit! Why are you all making such a ruckus?
After all, every continent “steals” from on another. In reality, there is a large licensing business going on and you simply do not see it.
Here are some examples:
- U.S. companies like Saturn and Chevrolet now import cars made in Europe. The Saturn Astra is made in Antwerp, Belgium for example.
- Korean companies like Ssanyong import Mercedes engines from Germany.
- Many U.S. and European cars are manufactured in the Czech republic, due to low wages and highly trained specialized workers.
Conclusion: this stuff happens all the time. Don’t have a cow, it’s globalization.
Actually, Ssangyong builds their engines under license from Mercedes Benz and they also produce a variant on an older Mercedes E-Class called the Chairman. You are correct about the licensing. GAZ bought the tooling from the factory in Sterling Heights Michigan and had it shipped to Russia. There’s no copying at all whatsoever. As part of the deal, Chrysler will provide the vehicle with the 2.4 liter 4 cylinder engines for the vehicle (the older 2.4, not the new Phoenix family of engines).
So why you afraid of Chinese invasion of `globalization`?today China make every thing from reverse engineering.even they made space craft from 70s soviet space module.at one stage we can`t predict what is original design and what is not.look Japanese and Korean cars they are almost same in appearance and performance.at one time Korea has same position as todays China.but Koreans successfully won this race of survival.i hope Chinese shall won their own…………..
Hmm let’s see.
China practices child slave labor. China doesn’t give a rat’s ass about the environment. All of the new diseases tend to originate from China. The Chinese government imprisons people for being in harmless organizations like the falun gong and then they massacre these prisoners and sell their body parts to Canadians who need organ donors.
What is wrong with China? Wake up, dumbass!
I agree with u. especially with the environmental part.
Are you live in cave asshole? the concept of forced labour is over.no country in the world has organised forced labours.yes i do admit that China and `U ASS of A` were old exploiters of human labour and `U ASS` still practice these crimes against humanity.they forced to work Mexican and other south American illegal immigrants without any kind of labour laws.Afrio Americas still face severe living conditions.specially in south west.TEXAS is the prime example.few months ago in local school fight,police charged 3rd degree criminal offence against 5 Afro Americans and send them in jail without any right of bail.can you imagine in school fight you prison kids in jail! ! ! ! !.KKK is penetrating in local administration.they act like Cartel.why their racial supremacy is not working in playing field.tiny and sick white racist are defeated earlier and now with the help of civil society.you suck,knucklehead…………
That’s some goood (ass?) crack you’re smoking…
Either that or he’s been reading too much Pravda.
globalization is another word for piracy
Yes, the fancy term was imperialism.
Any more info on this car?
Maybe sex ?
This isn’t Texas1 but clearly an impostor! Obviously someone was too shy to ask if sex is good in this car. Is it useful attracting the local Russian girls? Will they get aroused?
Are there any Saturns in Russia such as the Ion or the Vue? In my opinion, I find them the most reliable of North American cars.It is too bad that they are getting away from the polymar bodies and replacing them with metal bodies. One thing about the Saturn cars with these polymar bodies is they do not rust! I hate cars that rust!
You must live in a cold climate state that gets lots of snow. Move to Texas. Cars don’t rust in Texas.
No, but the piant falls off.
It fades from the sun. That is true.
I know in Florida with the humidity, its even worse. How is the sand in Texas on the paint?
I have driven one of those - the Dodge Stratus/Chrysler Sebring. I drove it for several hundred miles. A very good choice to keep in production.
Cars are not proprietary any more.
Car companies buy parts and frames, engines, whole cars off of other companies and rebrand them into their own. Each major company has about 3 or four standard frames that all of their cars are built on. And variations on engines and interiors and body is the only thing that differetiates the models. So its perfectaly normal to see a car almost exaclty the same as another model, it doesnt mean that its a ripoff, there is probably some kind of licensing deal going on. Especially with exports. There is usually a domestic model, and then a variation, possibly with a totally different name, to export, even with a rival company.
GAZ, the country’s second-largest automotive firm, said Friday that it planned to invest a total of $150 million over the next two years in two new cars, based on older-generation Chrysler models.
The company, which is best known for its Volga sedan, will buy licenses and equipment to produce Chrysler Sebring and Dodge Stratus sedans under its own brand in Russia, GAZ said.
The investment comes weeks after GAZ said it would invest up to $250 million annually over the next five years to develop new models and train its work force.
It declined on Friday to say how much of the $150 million investment would be paid to Chrysler, which is now working on new versions of both the Sebring and Stratus models.
Under the deal, GAZ, which is part of billionaire Oleg Deripaska’s empire, will transfer older manufacturing equipment from Chrysler’s Sterling Heights, Michigan, plant to Nizhny Novgorod, where the Volga is made.
GAZ also plans to buy engines from Chrysler’s engine plant in Saltillo, Mexico, GAZ said in a statement.
The first cars based on the Chrysler technology are expected to roll off the production line at the end of 2007 or in early 2008, Erik Eberhardson, vice president and chief strategy officer at GAZ, said by telephone Friday.
GAZ plans to initially produce 65,000 cars per year, said Eberhardson, adding that output could be increased if necessary.
“The models will be restyled and adapted to Russian roads,” Eberhardson said. The company has not yet decided what the new models will be called, he said.
The starting price for both models will be around $17,000, he added. The starting price for the Sebring models that DaimlerChrysler now sells in Russia is close to $24,000.
GAZ, whose line of automobiles is primarily composed of light commercial vehicles and buses, decided against developing its own models from scratch due to the high costs involved, up to $1 billion per model, Eberhardson said.
The move by GAZ makes AvtoVAZ the only domestic automotive company trying to keep afloat with its own model range. AvtoVAZ, which makes the Lada, has said it plans to develop up to 12 new models over the next five years.
“Americans will have a hard time taking root in the Russian market,” said Kirill Chuiko, a UralSib automotive analyst who estimated that no more than 20,000 to 30,000 Chrysler cars sold under the GAZ name would sell in Russia each year.
Gairat Salimov, a car analyst with Troika Dialog, said the deal would add value to the company. D-class models like the Sebring and Stratus belong to “one of the highest-growing segments in Russia,” he said.
Chrysler is part of DaimlerChrysler, which has expressed interest in building its own plant in Russia. The newer version of the Sebring will be introduced in Russia by the year’s end, said Yelena Divakova, a spokeswoman for DaimlerChrysler in Russia.
Its about time. I have faith in Russian engineering. We have to start somewhere. Better to copy what already works and build on top of that.
Yeah, copying Ford A (GAZ AA), Fiat Topolino (Zaporozhets), Fiat 124 (Gigolo) and a bunch of generics sure helped… Pick something exciting to rip off, for fuck’s sake!
All those cars you mentioned are junk. A chrysler sebring is a late model standard family sized american sedan. totally different from any other copies. Plus the major components are still made by chrysler.
Ford A was a good choice for copying: very revolutionary for the day, and exception for Russian auto industry (they ripped off Packard, IIRC, for ZIS 101/110 series, but those were small potatoes). I agree, however, all other cars are mentioned are junk (that includes Sebring - the only decent Chrysler car in the last 20 years I can think of was Conquest - rebadged Mitsubishi Starion, although putting turbocharged motor in was a mistake). There are better vehicles to rip off, that’s my point. Volvo S70, for that matter…
Would anyone know the fate of the GAZ diesel engine plant that was supposed to be built in the eighties as part of a major expansion?
Back to the car: yes, it’s a Chrysler Sebring. The whole manufacturing works were bought a shipped to Russia.
And TV was invented by an American, Philo T. Farnsworth.
John.
Logie.
Baird.
You fool.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Logie_Baird
That’s not a GAZ Volga. I visited the GAZ website and found out this car is not really a “Volga”. The car’s name (based on the site)is “GAZ Siber” (or Syber). It’s probably the latest model made by GAZ.
Well, I read at a DaimlerChrysler News(Before Daimler solds Chrysler) that they sold all rights of the Stratus/Cirrus/Sebring to the Russian company, that’s why is identycal to the Chysler/Dodge car, the engine will be the same 2.4 liter with 150hp, engine tha will be produced and exported by Chrysler Motor Plant at Saltillo, Mxico.
Well, nice Russian Dodge Intrepid.. ))
It looks like VOLKSWAGEN was benchmarked with its current JETTA A5 sedan.
Hope the interior will be as good.
Compliment to VW this time around.
This line of cars with front wheel drive will do well in Russian cities. They do very well in Minnesota which is very similar to Russia in terms of weather.
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Eh… that says who? You can think what you wish, but I did some calculations (for work, m’friend, for work), and it is a whole lot less than it seems. To wit: I have seen a system that can potentially produce 650 barrels of oil per hectare per year (without genetic tweaking, mind you: if Monsanto doubles photosynthesis yield, we’re gonna be talking about a gold mine - right now it’s just an oilfield). Per capita U.S. oil consumption - 28 barrels per year, that’s 20 people supplied per hectare. Can you feed 20 people on a hectare of land?
Scientist you’re talking about sounds like Dave Pimentel. So fucking what? A dozen years before Hiroshima Einstein said that there will be no practical use for nuclear energy for at least another century. To redeem Dave somewhat, I have to say that he is an ecologist, not an engineer, and, IIRC, he is talking about starch ethanol (which does make his statement accurate), not about biodiesel, TDP or cellulolythic ethanol, all of which have much higher conversion yield. Again, technology is there, it is the fear of oil prices drop that keeps those technologies from implementation. Breakthroughs ARE there, it’s just that people don’t shout about them and make their money quietly, like CWT (http://www.changingworldtech.com/). Again, innovation beats accident of squatting on a lot of goodies every time: look at Japan.
Work on your reading comp, will ya? One, “reserve” in geological parlance means “extractable mineral”, not “something you rely on in an emergency”. Two, 300 hundred years of reserves means just that: you can supply your energy needs for 300 years. That’s a whole lot of emergency.
As for fusion plant, I didn’t say they are building one. I said it is my opinion there will be at least one in 50 years - and I may well be wrong. And who the hell takes 10-15 years to build one? Russians? Tajiks?
We can sit here and argue back and forth about crop yields and what not, but the fact still stands….where is it? I see biodeisel and its being used more and thats good, but its not even close to reducing oil consumption. Its been around for years now. Willie Nelson is selling it for gods sake. So then why are we still using diesel? The only reason is there is not enough of it and its more expensive to make. The only reason people are even switching is to be enviromentally friendly with exhaust. There is no clear answer, we’ll just have to wait and see.
ok, I was thinking of the “strategic oil reserves” barrells hidden in mountains in case of a war.
Even then with all oil reserves, the best estimates are around 100 years worth, if it was all recoverable this instant, which it isnt. So, if america got cut off of oil right now, we would only last a few months to a year.
The fusion plant being built in france is a joint effort by almost every industrialized country (Mostly Russia, Japan, EU, USA, and China) Actually, China is very proficient in fusion reactors and have already built one of their own. Billions of dollars and years and years until it powers its first light bulb.
You obviously have no clue how insurance or the health industry works. When you pay insurance, you pay for everyone. Say you pay insurance your whole life and never use it. All that money gets paid out to the guy who paid one premium and then got diagnosed with cancer costing 200,000 per year. That money gets pulled from everyone’s premium. If more people are using the services that arent paying for them, the people who pay the premiums are getting fucked with higher premiums to pay for these people. The hospitals cant and dont pay it, the insurance companies do. So this is really the same as universal health care, expect for the Insurance companies make all the rules, and their rules tend to fuck the consumer. I’d rather the government make the rules. And the poeople with no health care are just as strainful on the system as illegals. People tend to go to the hospital less, because they cant afford it. People get sicker and in the end pay even more than if they would stay healthy from checkups. Thats why insurance companies pay you to exercise. The healthier you are, the easier it is on everyone. So programs like CHIP or universal health care actually save money by keeping people healthy for a relativley small cost. We have been paying for our own health care in this country for a while and its not working. It will either collapse, or insurance companies will be the richest and have the most authority.
You almost got it this time. Let me fix it for you:
“The only reason is that it’s more expensive to make.”
End of the story (almost). Biofuels can not compete with fossil fuels AT CURRENT PRICES. If price of fossil fuel goes up or price of biofuel goes down, it will become competitive. And, yes, Willie Nelson is jacking off with his biodiesel project.
I omitted a finer point of infrastructure cost recovery in the statement above. I belabored that point earlier, so let me give you one hypothetical example - and I will try to use small words, as far as possible. Let’s say, oil goes for $70/barrel. You spend a million dollars on a biofuel plant that produces 25,000 barrels of biofuel per year, at the cost of $50/barrel. If biofuels sells at the same price as oil, that’s $20/barrel profit, and you recoup your infrastructure investment in two years, ASSUMING OIL PRICES REMAIN CONSTANT. Now. Let’s imagine that after a year of operation, oil prices crash to $40/barrel. How soon are you going to recoup infrastructure costs? Correct answer - never, because you would have to sell your fuel at a loss, if you keep the plant in operation. Why am I telling you all that? Because anticipation of an oil price crash prevents massive investment into biofuel production infrastructure. If, as it seems to be happening, anticipations change, you’ll see a major development of alt fuel industry (see Schuykill plant), and mass production of biofuel will bring prices down, and oil prices along with it. Understandable? I’d say we’d have to see where oil prices are headed after 2008, and make predictions accordingly.
Except I wasn’t talking about OIL, I was talking about FUELS - which include oil, coal, natural gas, oil shales and so on. Furthermore, oil imports provide less than half of the total consumption, so even if they were suddenly stopped, it wouldn’t be pretty, but there would still be time and resources to ramp up domestic oil and alt fuels production.
Non sequitur - look it up. No way expanding insurance pool would cut my bills: I exercise regularly, don’t smoke, don’t drink and generally maintain healthy lifestyle. Gawddamnit, I am going to be pooled with similar health freaks and enjoy lower premiums than fatass smoking and drinking couch potato. Naturally, fat ass couch potatos would LOVE universal coverage, so that I would pay their bills, but - fuck them.
Have your insurance premiums not increased in the past 5 years more than they would normally? And dont tell me otherwise because its across the board. Everyone’s health care cost is going up by a lot. You’re already paying for the couch patatoes.
I understand your logic, but thats not how it works. If there is increased demand for biofuels, the price of biofuels goes up unless production can meet demand, and it cant. Not enough resources for biofuels to replace all of our energy needs. It would take a billion willie nelson’s, and frankly we dont have room for them.
I’d rather not see this happen to prove you wrong.
http://www.physorg.com/news107704940.html
I like the part that says “The simulations found the farm that harvested the most stover also needed the most fertilizer, had the most erosion and barely returned sustainable levels of organic matter to the soil. That farm also recorded the highest net farm income before taxes.”
But he wouldnt be able to do it next year. Unsustainable at this point. Its just not feasable as I said without some kind of major breakthrough.
This is just one I’ve seen in the past hour. I read these all the time.
No, there is NO demand for biofuels (except for Willie Nelson fans and idiots in Congress). There is a demand for FUEL - 84 octane gasoline, diesel oil B, LL100, etc., in other words, liquids with certain characteristics, without regard to source. This demand is met primarily by fossil-derived fuels, because balance between supply and demand sets price al the level where biofuels can not compete. If fossil fuels demand shrinks, price goes up, biofuels become competitive, leading to expansion of biofuel production. Simple supply-demand curve, Econ 101…
And, sure, I’ll concede your point that a billion Willie Nelsons is too many - hell, ONE Willie Nelson is one too many - but what a redneck country singer knows about fuel production? For that matter, what do YOU know about fuel production? Got engineering credentials? Environmental science training? All I hear from you is hyperbole and unsupproted assertions… Admit you’re full of it.
Another non sequitur. One, there are treatments available that weren’t available before - costs go up. Two, what makes you think that with a socialized care system premiums will NOT increase? You bet your ass they would - just look at the Social fucking Security: costs go up, benefits go down. What makes you think socialized health care would perform any better?
Good job D. You are very patient.
Simu-fucking-lations! The key word in the whole quotation: that means that the paper is written by a bunch of computer geeks who haven’t seen a farm in their life, wanking around their precious little keyboards. I can create a computer simulation that shows pretty much anything you want - that, for example, the Earth is warming.
…but it is still irrelevant: what *I* was talking about involves a totally different system, where soil erosion is impossible by definition…
I wouldn’t want it happening either. We’re talking about privations on the level of WWII, but, with non-militarized industry, this kind of crisis might well be easier to overcome.
Oops…
Shoulda been:
“If fossil fuels SUPPLY shrinks…”
Now that you have expressed your ignorance, go do your homework.
“What makes you think socialized health care would perform any better?” Ans. The rest of the industrialized world.
Like Canada, where people are forced to wait for so long for a simple surgery, they drop everything and run south to pay cash for supposedly-free treatment?
Do you believe everything the Weakly Standard says?
I don’t read weakly standard. I do know of a few Canucks in that position - dating a nurse has its bennies.
Maybe the National Repuke?
Like many people, including you, I sometimes mispell words. But good for you, you got the idea. As for evidence, your words make a solid case.
Spellcheck that one too.
And what’s that?
Heh. English is not my first (or second, to be sure) language, and it is still better than yours. Speaks volumes, doesn’t it?
Whoa! Redneck from Kansas discovered German language.
I like Russian better.
Volumes.
What-fucking-ever. Ну и отмирись от меня на три мая через Людвига Фейербаха и Клару Цеткин, чтоб тебе десять галстуков в горн по труду через совет дружины и гипсового Павлика.
Now say it in German.
Du fischgesichtige Entschuldigung einer Verfehlung der Evolution. Warum sind deine Eltern nicht einfach die fünf Minuten spazieren gegangen?