Christianity vs Paganism in Russian
These days there is kind of raise of old Slavic pagan traditions in Russia. The followers of paganism build copies of old pagan monuments of wood and stone and then gather for some rituals. According to their point of view they try to reconstruct the true religion of Russian people that was destroyed by early Russian Christian church 1000 years ago when it came to Russia and violently converted local pagan population to Christianity.
But it seems there are fundamental Christians even nowadays in Russia who don’t like the raise of pagan traditions and try to follow their earlier inquisitor predecessors destroying the pagan places. On these pictures one can see one of such modern Russian ritual place before and after the Christian followers visit.
This is the “after” picture below. All the idols are cut with a saw and Christian icons are brought to “consecrate” the “unholy” place.
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that is so sad. being pagan myself this kind of thing tends to bother me.
when you stop to realize that all violent acts are born of fear (fear the “other” people might be right, or might “win) then you realize that committing such intolerant acts signifies a lack of faith in your OWN religion. In doing so you also make your faith look bad.
human nature i suppose. the irony is that as long as any god exists, there will be warfare, hatred, prejudice and killing. Good Game.
Looks like a penis. No wonder good Christians had to destroy it.
“Good Christians”…
…George Bush
…Blackwater Mercenaries
…Crazy Bastards with chainsaws
Bush = Good Christian? LOL
Does anyone actually believe a word that moron says? Though shall not kill?
It’s a standard children’s place for games. It’s not a Paganism!
riiiiight ^ ^
that is why pagan gods and icons are carved into the wood. mmmhmmm
I’n from Russia, i know about i say - it’s just sculpture out of wood - in Russia pagans almost no remain…
It is silly to think that this is a real slave idols.
It is a decoration. No more.
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And christians were right when they do that
> It is silly to think that this is a real slave
> idols.
> It is a decoration. No more.
So what?? Does it mean that some idiot with a chainsaw has a right to destroy one’s CULTURAL HERITAGE? A sculpture doesn’t have to be religious in order to be protected from the hooligans like these. Destroying of any creative works of other people is criminal and should be punished.
> And christians were right when they do that
So chopping down Christian crosses and burning churches eg. in Sudan is also OK in your view? In mine it is NOT.
and i am from the states, and i know of which i speak. here there are very few pagans left as well… wait.. there were none to start with. oh wait… what the fuck is a pagan?
i guess one would have to define paganism… technically all non-abrahamic faiths would be pagan (anything non-jewish, non-christian, non-islam)
still others tend to think that paganism is defined as a faith that christianity attempted to erase and failed to do so.
i guess it is all up to interpretation. technically native americans are pagan if they follow their old beliefs.
regardless… there are many who have discovered these old faiths and have since attempted to revive them.. as was stated in the text posted along with the pictures.
now… enough with mudslinging against christians because the bottom picture is clearly not the same site as the first picture, the logs are too far apart at the bottom. could be a similar site and the photographer was using them for example.
Wow.. Like you are a fucking moron.
“and i am from the states, and i know of which i speak. here there are very few pagans left as well… wait.. there were none to start with. oh wait… what the fuck is a pagan?”
You obviously don’t get out of the house much… Only to go to church probably.. There are more pagans in the US then you think.. You don’t see them, because THEY DON’T WANT TO BE SEEN BY IDIOTS like you who crack off stupid comments like that. Get your facts before shooting your mouth off.
i am pagan -__-
i posted such in my earlier response. yes, there is a good sized gathering in my area, but compared to christians and athiests in this country, pagans are still a small minority.
I agree with feelov. When I was a kid religious mindset wasn’t encouraged (USSR was atheistic state, as you may know), and still half of the platgrounds looked like that. In fact, near my house was a playground which consisted of two dozens of such “idols” along with a few wooden huts.
Real pagan idols were much more graphic. These are just Russian folk saga heroes or smth like that. Traditional stuff.
Still it was a pretty place. It’s a pity some morons destroyed it.
I’m afraid, you’re wrong
i thought only the innuit tribes of siberia had the old pagan beliefs. I guess there were also the horse tribes of the steppes as well, they had some killer beliefs… that usually involved killing. It’s sad really they give all the same answers as the christian religion when you pray to them.
Well then, I think that the pagans should burn a church or two in return, for a good measure.
Damned christian fundamentalists.
You people are embarrassing yourselves. Hateful little punks.
….You do not know what you’re talking about….
I agree:) Better yet how about we just burn every filthy, degenerate church to the ground. Not for pay backs but just because it’s the right thing to do.
Paganizm is bad, they didnt invent anything good, cursing, killing, destroying peoples lives, that`s all they do! When christians(if they were christians) destroyed those idols, they didnt destroy people! They destroyed the idols!
oh really? what about Holy inquisiton and crusades in the name of Christ?
Have you ever read Bible? what about cursing, killing, sexual perversion in there?
Have you ever read about JESUS in Bible ??????????????????????
A few bits about loving your neigbour (which is not on display with vandalism such as this) doesn’t excuse the barbarism in the rest.
And Judeo-Christian universalist religions (Christianity and Islam; I don’t mind Judaism because it is ethnic religions of the Jews, and they don’t impose it on anybody) invented total, ultimate intolerance, that lead to the religious wars, when their God is considered “supreme” and other Deities are considered demons/devils. And to the stupid denial of one’s own Gods and Ancestors.
Slava Bogom Rodniim!!
You realy need to look up history, the Christians killed more people in the name of there “God” than anyone in history, they had some of the most hanis torcher in history. they made people convert or die, killed burned and mutilated those that would not. tha only thing “Christians” invented was fear, and propaganda. So as I see it, its the Christians that are the bad guys. “Live my way or die”, that seems way more evil too me!!!
You are talking about religious people so called christians. Real christianity based on loving people not killing. I guess you never met real christians in your life.
Charlemagne,Olav Tryggvason,Tocamada? whose Christains? the greatest mass murderers of history, in the name of your god? are those the “real christains your talking about?
Have ever heard of mother Teresa, have you ever heard od Jesus??? What a blind creature you are…
mother Teresa was a friend of poverty. She said that suffering was a gift from God. She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from a livestock version of compulsory reproduction. And she was a friend to the worst of the rich, taking misappropriated money from the atrocious Duvalier family in Haiti (whose rule she praised in return) and from Charles Keating of the Lincoln Savings and Loan. Where did that money, and all the other donations, go? The primitive hospice in Calcutta was as run down when she died as it always had been.
As for “jesus”. Well theres no proof of him out side of the bible, and if you ask me, he does not exist, so you argument does not hold water to be turned into “whine”!!!
you dont get the point, when I mentioned about mother Teresa I meant the good things she did and her motives, I dont know what and who’s money she used, she was motivated by God`s love. I would be happy to see you doing the same thing, but you dont know what it is
Oh, i get the point, dont look at the corrupt piles of crap, just the little shiney thing under it. so what your saying is no matter how corrupt a person is, one good deed will make everthing better?
her motivation was the great God of money, as for his love, hes just as corrupt as her.
ordering the deaths of hundreds of people, turning people to slaves, “Follow me or die”. demanding money as tribute, A god of love would not be so conceited.
forget about mother Teresa, there are plenty of true christians around that looks like you never met in your life, besides, nobody is perfect….
I did spend about 5ish or so years as a Chistian, had been to lots of churches all over, so its not like I dont know what I am talking about
That looked like a nice place to sit and think about Russian history. Very sad to see it cut down, if so called radical christians were involved….shame on them.
I’t should be called a hate crime and russian people should be very upset that is was distroyed by outside christian influences.
This photos is bullshit and admin is lier. Don’t believe this site
Well, this “pagan” thigs shown on photos are in the park near my house. By the way, this park is in Moscow. Well, on the photo 2 the house behind the statue actually obscuring my house.
This things were made by some fantasy-RPG-sort of loving people, I think. Well, not the worst things to spend your time, IMHO. I have never seen any of paganists there, but some young people with wooden swords are often seen.
Is it still there? I.e. was it actually destroyed?
Can you go and check?
sorry that this comment is late but it is still there
I can sense most of the religious consent for the destruction of this vile thing are people being facetious and childish. Paganism along with it’s cohort Atheism breathed it’s last breath in Russia long ago — with good reason. I am for one glad such things are removed from where children play and pray.
“Where children play and pray”, ha ha. Let’s see one picture of a Russian kid praying in a Russian park, just one. Kids don’t seriously pray, because they can sense they’re parents religion is bullshit. It’s only later, when theye’ve become thouroughly brainwashed, that they would do something as retarded and delusional as praying in a park. How you can describe Paganism as a cohort of Atheism is beyond me. Paganism and Christianity have far more in common (both based on delusional fantasies) than paganism has with Atheism. BTW, Atheism isn’t dead in Russia, although your comments don’t suprise me. Religious zealots are often prone to delusional thinking. Perhaps you should go back and dwell about how Joseph felt after he found out the his virgin wife Mary, got knocked up by a creator who has the habit of getting childlishly upset whenever he comes across someone who doesn’t believe in him.
Perhaps I will and perhaps you should too.
“Atheism breathed it’s last breath in Russia long ago”.
Sorry , I have to laugh here. In Russia most of those who present themselves as Chrisitans go to Church couple of times a year at best. I’ve never met a person who visits Church every week in my life (I’m not talking about crazy sectarians, like Jehovah’s Witnesses). Though old people are more religious.
I’d say typical Russian is 50% atheist, 30% christian and 20% Pagan. I like it that way. I hope my children won’t be religious too.
Everybody has a right to teach his or her children religion of his/her choice. I for instance WANT MY CHILDREN TO BE PAGANS. I won’t force them, but I will teach them about Paganism. Slava Bogom!!
It’s abominable that you, a son of Dadzbog and grandson o Svarog hate your own national heritage so much. SHAME on you!! What a kind of Russian are you if you detest the faith of those, who founded your people? That you give up your national identity for the foreign religion doesn’t mean everybody has to do so. Also, if the idols were erected legally, it’s CRIMINAL to destroy them. And I hope that those CRIMINALS will be punished.
And if you don’t want religious freedom for Pagans in Russia, then you have NO right to say that eg. Chinese, Sudanese or Saudi Arabs must not persecute Christians in their countries. If you thinko it’s right to chop the figure of Perun in Russia (even though Perun is the legitimate God of Ruthenia), it’s also right to chop down a Christian cross in China (especially that Christ is a foreign Deity in China). Of course all persecutions ARE wrong.
Slava Rodniim Bogom!!!w
Admin is eblan and dolbaeb !
The orginal Christians taught by Jesus said you had to be born Jewish before you could become a Christian.
It wasn’t until years after he was dead that Paul started signing up other people so they could take their money!
That just one of the reasons Jewish people laugh at Christians behind their back.
The same goes for Muslims (must be born Arab) and Hindus (must be born Hindu). By their own holy books you must be born to it. Everyone else is just being scammed.
People dont say your stupid comments until you read what JESUS said, not religions or religious people!
Unbelievers face eternal punishment. Believers face eternal life.
we Pagans (Rodnoveri) are not afraid of your God or his “punishments”. Veles will take care of our souls after death. We don’t need your God or his “salvation”, and we don’t ask you to convert us. Please stop.
There is one God and only one God. He is personal and knowable. He manifests Himself in three persons: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
The Christian trinity is too male dominated….the real trinity is
Mother, Father, Child….that is much more balanced and reflects the image we are created in. (Ancient Egyptians believed this)
By the way, the image of the Madonna & baby Jesus, are a re-styled version of the Goddess Isis & her son, Horus.
If God really loved his only “begotten Son”, he would not want a human sacrifice to take place! What kind of sadistic parent would? Besides, we are all responsible for our own karma. No one can do it for us! It’s simple, really. As long as you harm none, do what you will!!! That’s true free will…with no dire consequences from a jealous ego-maniac who punishes you for making the wrong decisions.
Here’s a theory I read: Jesus was the biological son of Gabriel (a high priest at the Temple) & Mary. Mary was a Virgo, not a virgin. When her pregnancy was confirmed, a marriage was arranged…she rejected the first selection…and then agreed to marry Joseph. Jesus was born & when he was 7, he went to the Temple mystery school. He later married Mary Magdalene. By the way, the bible says that Jesus had brothers & sisters, so there’s no way Mary was a virgin her whole life. Plus, I’m sure Joseph had sex with his wife!
It’s a shame that the bible has been edited and mistranslated so much. All “heretical” gospels were banned. The Christians also burned down the library in Alexandria.
Knowledge is power & knowledge can be empowering!
And “God” also said “Let us make man in our image and in our likeness” Genesis 1:26. But there is only one god, so I guess you base your life on a complete contradiction. And if according to what you believe if “God” had given his only begotten Son, that how come it states that you are all your “God’s” children?? I am Celtic Pagan and damn proud of it.
Your faith has thrown off the balance, and stolen most of your holidays and practices straight from the Pagan followings. Pretty ironic that you have a holiday called “Easter” or Ēostre, and you just happen to always practice it when the Spring Equinox.
Or how you practice such holidays as Christmas, another ironic thing being that Yule was practiced long before that, from Dec. 21-Jan1st hum reminds me of a song the 12 days of Christmas.
Or the fact that in the name of your oh so “loving god” people like the Romans killed every Pagan man, woman, and child that they came across in the name of this loving god.
And just to add was it not your messiah that said he is without sin may throw the first stone?? I find it hard to believe with all the commandments of your faith that you have not once sinned.
I do not walk around trying to convert people, I do not destroy your “Holy” idols, I do not try to brainwash you, or come to your door and invade your home trying to sell what I believe in. So what right do you have to do so to others, what right do you feel you have to destroy another’s belief, heritage or culture??
I would say that atheism is nothing else than a natural consequence of monotheism.
Paganism should have a right to exist, and than God it does so, even within the confines of Christianity.
Christ Himself would have loved the Pagans, that’s why He opened up His teachings for ancient Greeks and Persians.
Poslcy rodzimowiercy przesylaja szczere wyrazy wspolczucia… Niech wam Bogowie sprzyjaja i pozwola postawic jeszcze okazalsze posagi na chwale rodzimej wiary…
Poslcy rodzimowiercy przesylaja szczere wyrazy wspolczucia Niech wam Bogowie sprzyjaja i pozwola postawic jeszcze okazalsze posagi na chwale rodzimej wiary
Poslcy rodzimowiercy przesylaja szczere wyrazy wspolczucia Niech wam Bogowie sprzyjaja i pozwola postawic jeszcze okazalsze posagi na chwale rodzimej wiary…
…Poslcy rodzimowiercy przesylaja szczere wyrazy wspolczucia… Niech wam Bogowie sprzyjaja i pozwola postawic jeszcze okazalsze posagi, na chwale rodzimej wiary…
Slava!!! Postawimy wieksze !!!
SLAWA!!! POSTAWIMY WIEKSZE!!!
Shame and curse to the destroyers!! May the live in shame and dishonor till the end of their lives. They have no honor, no personal value whatsever. They are the morally worthless stupid creatures.
Glory to our Gods and Goddesses!! Greetings from a Slavic Pagan from Poland. Slava!!
I am a proud Atheoi, I hate all Religions, because they all lead people to commit such acts. Christianity is Violent, Islam speaks for itself, and the Jews are a bunch of opportunistic, lying bastards.
THE Best religion is the religion of NONE.
Is it that hard to love yourselves people? Do you need an immaginary monotheistic murderer to tell you whom to hate and whom to fear and loathe?
Pathetic and deplorable…
I will die of happiness when If I ever hear these four words strung togeter as newspaper headlines all over the world; “Religion Is No More”
V.
I don’t understand this fanatism; Paganism isn’t even big enough to be called a religeon…
We must also learn to accept our pasts, look at the Greeks for instance, they are christians but still celebrate some pagan festivals such as lighting the olympic torch.
We should let the world know that our culture wasnt a result of christianization, we had an amazing culture even before christ was born according to some historians and its about time we show it.
real Greeks believe in Olympian Gods….”christianity” was judaic religion and ofcaurse the destroyer of European nations….
As it is, both estimates I have read say that there are about a million, about a fourth of what would be required to catch up with Zoroastrianism.
Still, the fact that almost all of our ancestors were polytheists means that we are inheritors to genuine ancient belief system, and if you know of old gods, the new trinity seems like a recent rip-off of many older ones. If you judge a religion by age and originality, fanaticism about Christianity seems pretty puzzling as well.
Not big enough? If Zoroastrian numbers drop to the current numbers of pagans, will we demote Zoroastrianism to cult? Even though they can see haloes on angels and read about the Christian trinity, and know that their old ideas inspired the new ones?
You should not be proud of your religion for its numbers. If you judge by originality and age, fanaticism about Christianity seems pretty puzzling as well. Besides, there’s a difference between being very vocal about a belief and being a fanatic about a belief.
This is a little off topic, but I recently had a soul retrieval done, and in this persons “vision” he saw me being cared for and healed by a group of men, below ground, who were also burning Orthodox Icons. It was a snake that guided me into the waters of a river and I emerged a young man.
Is there any tradition in Early Ukrainian history of an underground pagan movement that followed Veles and burned icons?
I’m just trying to figure out what this all means. Genetically my ancestors came from the Ukraine region, although I’m an american.
I apologize for interrupting, but I know little of Ukrainian pagan history and just have a feeling in my gut that this vision wasn’t just allegorical.
Slava Bogom
not. in Russian ir peacefully coexist.
you wonder how many preepmt RPC[especially distanc] from Pagan.
Id be effin pissed
All I have to the person who gave the reply to the jackass known as zenmetsu is AMEN! And yes I’m a pagan and apologize to none for it.
I say, fuck the people who cut the sculpture. Why are you saying paganism is so bad? Not one of you here know shit about any of the religions. Yet you all have to comment … of course, what would we do without you. By the way … I don’t know anything about religion either, but at least you get the point.
It is located somewhere here:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=ru&geocode=&q=Moscow,+Russia+(moscow)&sll=36.038598,-115.095696&sspn=0.010098,0.017273&ie=UTF8&ll=55.633308,37.559617&spn=0.003525,0.008637&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr
I live nearby - on the Ostrovityanova st.
So, can you tell - it was the usual children playground or the temple of a misterious “Big dicks cult”? :))
Once upon a time, the Roman Catholic church evolved from an ancient cult of Habirus (Hebrews). They even wrote a book depicting the horror and terror of their deeds that is read and worshipped to this day.
A terrorist named Moses, raised by the daughter of the Pharoah (a man who made people call him God on earth), took the natural events of the Nile to look like God was doing it. He even went so far to say he spoke to an ignited shrub.
The texts of this man made Osama Bin Laden look like a fluff bunny. They murdered every town whose men would not undergo a painful change in their manhood. Aaron even murdered a woman as she begged for her life.
You see, they didn’t understand the Pagan ways of avoiding doing their cousins (which produces retards in small villiages) by meeting with outsiders for fertility rights. Moses men were content with marrying cousins and such, so didn’t appreciate the women who invited Moses men to take part. Moses was so angry his men got them some that he had these pagans murdered. In spite of all the horror of the Bible, Christians merely pick apart the happy parts ignoring that which sounds just like today’s terrorists (only lacking bombs and guns).
When Rome took over this religion, taking advantage of the Jesus cult who would happily join the Roman army once accepted, decided they wanted the market in all which healed people, thus they murdered all herbalists and medicine men. They killed intelligent folk who questioned anything the Vatican had to say (people were killed at one time for saying the world was round). They killed everyone who wouldn’t convert, and sometimes they killed just to kill (look at the story of the last witch burning).
After so many generations of brainwashing, I fear it will take a while to undo the damage of these Moses-based religions. Their Holy wars will ensue likely throughout our lifetimes.
I wish their religion was correct, as how wonderful it would be if all of these people, capable of such desecration, were all sucked into the clouds.
I read here just how many Christians actually think what these Christians did in Russia to be acceptable, but how acceptable would it be to them if their churches had the same treatment done to them? But then again, only they can be the destroyers, right. Why? Because….
*singing* “The Bible Tells Them So!”
There is only one reason the masses followed the teachings of Christ. Christ was teaching something completely and radically different than the Hebrew synagogues (churches) of his day. That is why now, 2000 years later, teachings of the old ways are having such a revival.
These ancient teachings are radically and completely different from those that have been stuffed down our throats since the advent of proselytizing, or witnessing and sharing, the path of Christ.
People are sick of being told this ‘one way’ is the only way to paradise, and they are looking to the old ways to get their souls where they should be.
I really despise everything Christian, and here is just another proof for that.
Here’s something for Russian pagans to do when they replace their monuments
Drill 25mm holes in them lengthwise and place pieces of concrete reinforcing bars in them before placing them in the ground.
Здесь что-то для русских pagans сделать когда они заменяют их памятники Просверлите отверстия 25mm в их в доль и установьте части конкретных усиливая адвокатских сословий в их перед устанавливать их в земле. I’ m используя переводчика для того чтобы преобразовать это к русскому, поэтому прощает мне если звучает смешно.
I think burning down an idol of the so-called “Saints” Augustine or Chrysostom or beheading one of his statues would be in place. You know a religions false if:
1. They kill people for knowing the world is round (wonder what other victims of the inquisitions were right about, hmmm… makes you think…)
2. Endorse slavery (Christianity and Islam have a long history of slavery)
3. Practice Human sacrifice (yes witch burnings count as Human sacrifice, get over it)
4. Give yourself a false sense of entitlement to steal other peoples resources as with the Bull of Borgia stealing Native American gold.
5. Create artificial man made divisions like Royalty and Commoner ( getting away from these fake divisions are a huge reason why people immigrate here to the US).
I think the Pagans have a license now to burn a statue of wood of “Saint” Augustine and behead him as he was a bigoted anti-Pagan piece of shit. Augustine also invented original sin.
Same with the abominable epiphanius, who would be in the lake of fire if such a place existed.
Notice how before Christianity Rome was an excellent civilization with an excellant culture, than Christianity comes along and “Coincedentally” scientific innovation stops and infrastructure deteriorated.
this place is Bitsevsky park in southwestern part of Moscow. i grew up there. didn’t knew the sculptures were chop down.
i believe that the future always belong to those who create, and the destroyers will vanish. either they are christian or pagan.
What a bunch of bigots …
Praise hail Satan!!!
Some people spend entire life in church and never meat God.
One church didnt let a homeless guy in, he turned around and God talked to him: Dont worry, they wouldn’t let me in for last 15 years