68 Donetsk in 2016

Donetsk in 2016

Posted on February 21, 2016 by tim


Russian traveller Anton Krotov has travelled to Donetsk recently and decided to post his travel photos. Thanks to this we are able to see what's going on in this region right now. Please see photos inside:

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68 Responses to “Donetsk in 2016”

  1. Alain says:

    Welcome in Russian paradise ! Pas à dire : ça fait envie !

    • Damian says:

      Les apprentis-nationalistes/nazillons trainent jusqu’ici ? Dommage que les habitants de Donetsk aient encore moins envie de l’ouest. C’est d’ailleurs pour ça 1.5/2 millions d’ukrainiens de l’est se sont réfugié en Russie, on se demande bien pourquoi vu que c’est censé être le pays agresseur… :-)

    • Cover me, Porkins! says:

      You see, “Alain”, disasters happen comfortable lazy kids “think” that it’s ‘better’ to bomb people instead of asking their opinion. Exdactly the way you do here, little sadist warmonger. You haven’t even wondered why theseattacked and bombed people flee INTO Russia.

  2. ed brown says:

    Cool pics. Much more interesting than Chernobyl forbidden zone.
    Lets see how this place would decay with time.
    Notice the quantity and quality of propaganda posters on the streets.
    They spend enormous money to brainwash the population of this region.
    Once it was a prosperous rich city, but when Russians came everything changed.
    Donetsk is doomed to become a symbol of Russian stupidity and jingoism.

    • Cover me, Porkins! says:

      …”Lets see how this place would decay with….”. LOL. You haven’t been around Ukraine, ever, right? In decay and terrible administration, they win.

    • byzantium says:

      Southern and eastern Ukraine have been neglected for nearly two decades by the successive Ukrainian governments. These industrial regions will be the hardest to be hit by the EU association agreement, and this is one of the roots of why the people of Donetsk and Odessa protested. Ask yourself this, if the Russians had truly invaded Ukraine, would they not be in Lvov/Lwow/Lviv – just as Assad’s troops are now knocking on the gates of Raqqa and Aleppo from mere air support from real Russian troops?

  3. Peacemaker says:

    very sad to see these pictures. Donetsk was one of the most promising places of the area. Now it is abandoned and living from beg money.
    government comes and goes, and all of them exploit more and more these hard working people. Before people had little money and corrupt leaders. Now they have gangster leaders, trouble to travel (anywhere outside the “russian world” at least), no short term hope. This DPR is a clear result of what media panic and ghosts in people’s head can cause to a place.

    • Cisa93 says:

      Second city on my visit to Ukraine back in 2009/10/11/12. Have several friends there, but left due to uncertainty of surviving. Other than dirty air due to coal mine/Soviet era power plants, beautiful and wealthy city. Beautiful airport built is now destroyed! At the end when all weapons are silenced, treaties agreed, I don’t see how the DNR can survive without reintegration into Ukraine (which it should) or side with Russia. Friends speak Russian and Ukrainian, but don’t want to become part of Russia. They don’t trust Ukrainian government either! What a dilemma and all in the name of what? No stability, no peace, poor jobs,

  4. Maxim says:

    Do not insult Russians.
    Do not insult our authorities.
    If you like kinda ‘a white-knight-fight-gangsters’, firstly, please go to the street in your country and show’em what you can.

    You do not know anything about life in the former USSR, and if someone could ask your advice, can you say something rather than ideological cliches of your politicians, or insults to that nation, who appointed ‘a global evil’? The problem of many people, that they believe that could understand world just watching TV. But any of your advice would lead to a disaster, because you never see consequences, as it happened in Vietnam. The truth is stronger although, and it’s much better than that strawberry shake of the Western media.

    So you like to speak your own English language, why others should not to speak their own(Russian)? Do they need a ‘brainwashing powder’ to live a live they got used to?
    Are you visited other provincial Ukrainian cities?
    Have you seen them before, during the USSR era, where it was maintained properly?
    Compare them with today’s Russian cities.

    • ed brown says:

      It is natural to insult authorities of the country who started a perfidious sneaky war against a peaceful neighbor nation. It is natural to insult citizens of the country-agressor who support these actions of their leaders and applaud these criminal acts.

      I know about life in the former Soviet Union. I visited Donetsk one year before the invasion. It was a normal society in the process of deep economic and social transformations. There is no excuse for what Russia done to the people in this region. Don’t try to bring Vietnam or Ancient Egypt here – these comparisons are irrelevant. Russia is an aggressor country which invaded Ukraine and annexed a part of its territory and controls another part with gangs of mercenaries, using local population as a shield.

      • Cover me, Porkins! says:

        We know, “Ed”, for you its natural not only to insult millions of people, but it’s also natural for you to wishe death to the people actually living in the área that supposedly worries you so much. Your “indignation” is a wortheless joke, Little hypocrite.

      • Maxim says:

        So what about Russia? I only see a representative of Soviet merchant elite, Petro Poroshenko, who is obliged everything what he is got to the USSR spilled the blood of citizens of country when I was born. It’s a fact, but participation of Russian Federation in this conflict are wild guesses. Today’s Ukrainian people support the USA, because they dream about similar wages, but not realise yet how it is to be dependant as for example, Japan. Crimea- I saw with my own eyes protests against NATO in 2006 in Crimea, because my wife from here. Those American sailors who landed there were locked in the hotel of the Ministry of Defence, because they were not welcome there. Locals were quite angry for the USA, and it seem that they almost lost hope. I did not meet anyone who supported NATO. You speak English, if someone forced you to use Spanish as your main language, will you be against your mother language, supporting Spaniards? Of course, no.

    • Pltruth says:

      Have a surprise to you.
      Here in year 2016 USSR no longer exists. For about 25 years. Learn to deal with it guys, life moves on. And by the way the “nazi threat” also was removed about 71 years ago.

      • Maxim says:

        Nazis are in hell but they look to way out. There only way to do it- act through some people’ hearts. Nationalism is still dangerous threat, and people died by thousands. And someone terrible like Hitler can return back, if we start to believe, that we can have dividends, using(and controlling) an evil.

        Some Western politicians reminds me Weyland Yutani corporation, which trying to train Aliens(from the movie ‘Aliens’).

        Bin Laden was also promising CIA-trained insurgent. But when 9/11 happened, does anyone of them take that lesson well?

        Do you think I should trust US authorities?

        But mafia still here and terrorists already have their own states.
        Who is more important in the USA: mafia or government?

        Results of absence of Russia for 25 years in the Middle East: enormous opium plantations in Afghanistan, oil smuggling and slave system in Iraq and Syria.
        Now 10 000 died in Ukraine. Who killed them? Russians? No, there is a war against Russian ethnicity supported by lovers of the big time.

        What is a difference between Russians and Ukrainians? What was first Russian capital? Someone tries to exploit human’s lowest instincts, such as greed and spite. Should I see Ukrainians as enemies? No, I don’t think so. Americans? No.
        But I’ve learnt simple things- protect my own home, because there is no other, and protect women and children of my country.

    • Papa Karlo says:

      Yeah, like you lived in the USSR. Apparently was born circa 1980 so have no clue what it was really like, other than from the old Soviet post cards and stupid Zyuganov’s propaganda.

      • Rashomon says:

        Did you live in the Soviet Union? No? So, I guess you really “have no clue what it was really like”.

        • Papa Karlo says:

          I was born in the Soviet Union, I traveled in the Soviet Union, I watched them bury Brezhnev on TV live, I finished the university in the Soviet Union, I worked in the Soviet Union, I traveled a lot in the Soviet Union, and I traveled a lot in the post-Soviet Union. The only things I did not, was serving in the Soviet Army and luckily serving time in prison. So yes, I have an idea.

          • Rashomon says:

            Then you should know that the Soviet Union doesn’t exist today. Now, go and thell your friends these decades old “news”.

    • vits says:

      I was living in USSR half of my life. It was terrible country and really fascist regime ( excl. last few Gorbachev’s years). As about nice Soviet cities ,- I never saw them ! Urgly buildings , destroyed old towns , empty shelves in the shops and very sad and angry people. I don’t see even small reason for nostalgia about that time.

      • Rashomon says:

        Don’t worry so much “vts”. The Soviet Union has been gone for ‘only’ 25 years. You didn’t know?

  5. Bob says:

    “Alain”, “ed brown”, are you two a schizophrenic troll or mentally ill patients of a loony bin??

    WHAT BUSINESS IS UKRAINE AND RUSSIA TO YOU!?!?

    Clean up your own house first!

    • ed brown says:

      Why do you care about our business in Russia and Ukraine and why are you so upset?
      Don’t tell me what I must do or else I would tell you where you must go.

      • Bob says:

        Ed, now I understand – you have family in the region. Your wife’s family? I get it. Sincere apologies for the insults – this is obviously personal for you. Also remember that when it’s personal it’s hard to see the log in the eye of the side you’re rooting for. A co-worker has a wife from Kiev, he tends to see things in only one way as well, his wife’s way.

        I’ve been following what was happening in the Ukraine for many years as I’m from a neighboring country and pretty much grew up around Ukrainians and learned Russian from them. I also occasionally read papers in Ukrainian.

        You are blind to the fact that it was the US that caused this sh!tstorm in the Ukraine trying to pull them away from Russia. Donetsk didn’t want to be part of a Ukraine run by coup government brought in by the neo-nazis and their American handlers.

        Donetsk was the business center of Ukraine and so of course is critical but it wasn’t Russia that tried to pry it away – Donetsk tried to leave itself.

        I know and have known MANY Ukrainians, including the western nationalist kind and many Ukrainians do side with the separatists who want to leave the CRAPhole country of Ukraine. These people don’t understand that changing their dumb@ss government ad nauseam will change nothing – their culture is ROTTEN and corrupted to the core. They should have worked with Yanukovich, and used the massive protests to whittle down corruption instead of trading in one thief for another.

        • Mikael says:

          You DO know the ukrainians wanted the eu association treaty right? Even if they had it they could still trade with Russia so what’s the deal. Obviously Putin thought otherwise and suddenly there was a conflict. “Saving” russians by occupying Crimea and don’t get me started on the referendum, what a joke!

          • Cover me, Porkins! says:

            “Mikael”, as the little warmongera as “Alain” or “Ed”, I suppose you are also very worried about a lot of things, but not enough to wonder what on earth the people of Eastern Ukraine really want. That would require to move your lazy b*tt from your comfortable couch and “thinik” a little.

          • Bob says:

            Mikael, you have no understanding of the topic.

            Putin was small potatoes in this mess until he reacted to the valid Ukrainian government being thrown out.

            Read 2,000 articles per year for 25 years in four languages and then you’ll approach my level of understanding of global affairs.

            I wish there was peace and prosperity everywhere but it’s not going to happen in this sh!tty world.

    • www says:

      it’s not two, it’s a one schizophrenic with a split personality

    • It's easy says:

      Russians planned the same as they did in Crimea. They needed the connection by land between Crimea and Russia.
      That’s the main reason they started armed conflict there.
      No need to tell about “people’s will”. Local people did not want to die for “russkiy mir”

      • Phillip Jennings says:

        Nice fantasies. Please tell us what do the Crimeans and East Ukranians really want. And how you “know” that, becuase their opinion was “forbidden” by Kiev and NATO. It would be interesting…

  6. Lyubasha says:

    I am sure that foreigners do not understand, why some photos are shown, such as bread and mayonnaise. It should be signed.

  7. JJ says:

    this is what you get when you let putin in.

    • Cover me, Porkins! says:

      No, “JJ”, this is what you get when you “forget” about your boasted and “democracy”, and start to bomb people without asking their opinion. Nice “values” you have,

      • TheTruth says:

        sorry, this type of thought is very difficult for me to understand.
        History is simple and nobody has to change it.
        1) Corruption, country left to rot
        2) Alignment with West / plan to join EU
        3) Russia gives ultimatum: join Eurasian union or no loan (>10B USD)
        4) Yanukovich ignores a poll saying 80% of ukrainians want to be in EU, turns back against EU, signs for loan from Russia
        5) Euromaidan in Kiev (supported by most of eastern, russian speaking ukrainians)
        6) Yanukovich RUNS away at night, supported by Putin
        7) Ukrainian RADA CONFIRMS the only official language of Ukraine is ukrainian (logical enough, no?).
        After mass protests, the confirmation is cancelled immediately.
        No threat at all to russian speaking population is seen.
        8) Protests at east start with wide use of russian flag
        9) Crimea is invaded by Russian army and taken hostage. “Militias” help
        Mass propaganda and lying from Russian media saying that Kiev is Nazi and Moscow is a polite, hero of the day.
        Material used is utterly laughable(for example children jumping and speaking stupid words in a school).
        10) Heavily armed people (from “somewhere”) take hostage police offices in Donbas. Then steal weapons.
        Then take hostage administration offices (mainly Kramatorsk and Sloviansk).
        11) People defending Ukraine (or simply not satisfying their “rules”) are executed, buried in mass graves
        12) Police in Donbas completely useless, corrupt
        13) ->>>>As last resort the Ukrainian government sends the army to defend its borders and land from this complete mess
        14) Mass propaganda and lying from Russia that Kiev is Nazi and that in Donbas will be massacre of Russians
        15) Militia groups stop tanks from Kiev, take them over and starts bombing Ukrainian army
        16) Militia groups take control of russian border, openly gets support of “volunteers” from Russia and Chechnya
        16) War starts and 10k people die
        …because of lack of DIALOGUE??? Come on! Lets not be cynical for a second!

        • Oscar Goldman says:

          You missed the part when Kiev and it’s NATO masters ask the people living in Eastern Ukraine their opinion, instead of killing them all, inside their villages and houses.
          Oh, I forgot. The US and Europe’s boasted “democracy” is forbidden in the area because it’s against their interests. Now tell us more about your “values”.

          • nonato says:

            80% of ukrainian population was in favor.. its called democracy.
            What was the opinion of Donbas?

            • Oscar Goldman says:

              @”nonato”. You don’t know the opinion of the people of Donbass (and Eastern Ukraine) because Democracy was forbidden. Instead, it’s “better” to bomb them inside their houses and villages to oblivion, instead of asking their opinion. That alone is a pretty good reason leave Ukraine and join whatever country they want.

          • TheTruth says:

            And what is their opinion exactly? What do they want?
            Sorry to be blunt, but it’s pretty hard to see it behind little green men.
            Corrupt free government? Good schools, hospitals and streets?
            Isnt it what all ukrainians in Euromaidan wished for?
            Right to speak their own language?
            Sorry man, but EVERYBODY in Ukraine can speak russian FREELY, 100%.
            Even now in middle of war, if you go to Maidan you can speak russian and nobody will disrespect you. The language thing has been a political movement and has absolutely no background from problems in the society.
            NATO does suck. US is indeed warmonger nation.
            But Ukrainian people decided to change their fate. I was at maidan and saw it myself. It was not a political stage, it was a revolution from hardworking, intelligent people tired to live worst than animals while politicians party with their money. Look at the profile of the guys who died in Kiev 2 years ago and you will see many fathers, educated people, people from all over Ukraine.

            • Oscar Goldman says:

              –“And what is their opinion exactly? What do they want?…” LOLZ. Please find out before repeatedly wishing their death here (repatedly) on every post. Oh, but I forgot. Asking their opinion is forbidden. Bombing and killing them, it’s not. Your “concern” abouth them is a woprthless joke.

              Now, that’s why someone here calls you an hypocrite sadist warmonger. You can confirm these “values” (and your ignorance) again. And again…

  8. Someone says:

    The high quality and huge amount of propaganda shit in combination with the clearly visible poverty (free food for poor people) tells me, that the governemt there has wrong priorities. A good government would first reduce the povety and then think about high quality propaganda. People don’t have work, food and no future, but they can get postcards and souveniers and visit the museum to see the glory of their government.

  9. Peacemaker says:

    I have a question. If you are at or have friends on DPR: how do you get an international passport nowadays if you live in Donetsk or Lugansk people’s Republic? And is it a russian or ukrainian one? Naturally I mean a passport you can travel with abroad, not a symbolic. Thanks!

  10. Thetruth says:

    I have a question. If you are at or have friends there: how do you get an international passport nowadays if you live in Donetsk or Lugansk people’s Republic? And is it a russian or ukrainian one? Naturally I mean a passport you can travel with abroad, not a symbolic one. Thanks!

    • ed brown says:

      Very easily. Kill Russian mercenary, bring his scalp to Ukrainian authorities and get a valid passport to travel everywhere except Russia.

      • Cover me, Porkins! says:

        –“Very easily. Kill Russian mercenary, bring his scalp to…”. Thanks “Ed”, for confriming that for you, it’s always wonderful to wish death to the people living in the área that supposedly concerns you too musch, instead of asking them what they really want.

        By the way, thanks also for showing your true dark nature (again). Reminding how Americans exterminated their Natives, is fitting with your true sadist “values”, little hypocrite.

  11. Alain says:

    Two questions :
    – why English Russia posted 12 pictures/page, compared to 2 usually ? Want to show the mighty, fascist-free Donetsk to the world ? Mission failed…
    – why English Russia did not post the pictures from Anton Krotov on nice Luhansk since it has been “freed” and incorporated into the Russky Mir ? These are even worse than what Anton saw in Donetsk. I let you search a bit on Google. I guess you’ll like what you’ll see…

    Now, last thing : what is the country which brought the most refugees in France last year ? I can help you : it was Putin’s Russia. So mighty and crappy that even more people are fleeing from it, than from Ukraine… And most Putin’s lovers here live… outside of Russia. Just move there, if you love it so much… I’d like to. But there is Putin. Once he’ll leave, the country will hopefully be better…

  12. Cover me, Porkins! says:

    “– why English Russia posted 12 pictures/page, compared to 2 usually ?”. I’m glad you saw all of them. Your “anger” will not stop you to see them all, and of course, it won’t prevent you to remain in this site and see more pics from it. Mission accomplished.

    “These are even worse than what Anton saw in Donetsk…”. Perhaps you can tell us about other pictures showing how the Urainian shelliing destroys houses and villages, instead of asking their opinions. I’m sure uyou love that, Little warmonger sadist.

    –“what is the country which brought the most refugees in France last year ?” You should have asked that question to your American “allies” when they invaded Iraq based on lies, leaving 300,000 civilian Deaths, and a total mess that’s already killing people in Paris (and please continue to support “moderate” terrorists, exporting even more desperate people to your comfrotable, do-nothing country). Let me know if all the White Toyotas used by ISIS can picture your schyzoid death wishes, little hypocrite.

  13. TheTruth says:

    to “Cover me, Porkins! ”

    sorry, this type of thought is very difficult for me to understand.
    History is simple and nobody has to change it.
    1) Corruption, country left to rot
    2) Alignment with West / plan to join EU
    3) Russia gives ultimatum: join Eurasian union or no loan (>10B USD)
    4) Yanukovich ignores a poll saying 80% of ukrainians want to be in EU, turns back against EU, signs for loan from Russia
    5) Euromaidan in Kiev (supported by most of eastern, russian speaking ukrainians)
    6) Yanukovich RUNS away at night, supported by Putin
    7) Ukrainian RADA CONFIRMS the only official language of Ukraine is ukrainian (logical enough, no?).
    After mass protests, the confirmation is cancelled immediately.
    No threat at all to russian speaking population is seen.
    8) Protests at east start with wide use of russian flag
    9) Crimea is invaded by Russian army and taken hostage. “Militias” help
    Mass propaganda and lying from Russian media saying that Kiev is Nazi and Moscow is a polite, hero of the day.
    Material used is utterly laughable(for example children jumping and speaking stupid words in a school).
    10) Heavily armed people (from “somewhere”) take hostage police offices in Donbas. Then steal weapons.
    Then take hostage administration offices (mainly Kramatorsk and Sloviansk).
    11) People defending Ukraine (or simply not satisfying their “rules”) are executed, buried in mass graves
    12) Police in Donbas completely useless, corrupt
    13) ->>>>As last resort the Ukrainian government sends the army to defend its borders and land from this complete mess
    14) Mass propaganda and lying from Russia that Kiev is Nazi and that in Donbas will be massacre of Russians
    15) Militia groups stop tanks from Kiev, take them over and starts bombing Ukrainian army
    16) Militia groups take control of russian border, openly gets support of “volunteers” from Russia and Chechnya
    16) War starts and 10k people die
    …because of lack of DIALOGUE??? Come on! Lets not be cynical for a second!

    • Cover me, Porkins! says:

      Normally, when someone boasts “TheTruth”, the important parts of it are missing, and the gaps are filled with pure hateful (and baseless) bigotry, or “opinions”…
      –“Corruption, country left to rot…” By whom?
      –“Police in Donbas completely useless, corrupt…”. do you know what do they want? How?
      –“Ukrainian RADA CONFIRMS the only official language of Ukraine is ukrainian (logical enough, no?)…”. No. The majority speaks Russian. Ukrainian is in second place. This alone speaks volumes about your ignorance of the area.
      –“Euromaidan in Kiev (supported by most of eastern, russian speaking…”. As said, almost EVERYBODY espeaks Russian. But the “Eastern Ukrainians” weren’t supporting that. Go ahead, ask anyone between the Kiev’s bombings and missile attacks now. LOL
      –“Crimea is invaded by Russian army and…”. Nobody in Kiev or Washington wondered to ask the opinion of the Crimeans, because curiously, Democracy was forbidden. If you know the opinion of the Crimeans, let me know, instead of supporting “sanctions”.

      –“Mass propaganda and lying from Russia that Kiev is Nazi…”. Please explain their background and the things the Kievs’s militants have, instead of your “opinion”, go ahead. It would be interesting. But you won’t reply to this.

      –“Protests at east start with wide use of russian flag…”. Probably because besides living there for centuries, now that’s what they want. Simple. But you’ll never know because you insist on killing them all instead of asking what do they really want, little warmonger hypocrite. Your “concern” about the area is a sadist joke.

      Simple things that only highlight your warmonger impulses, and totally undemocratric positio, which invalidates, your “indignation” and fake “values”. Please, keep it going, show more hatred and death wishes against millions. That’s all you have.

      • TheTruth says:

        lets forget all the things i wrote and everybody else wrote.
        You say that nobody wanted to hear the opinion of the east ukrainians (yes, they are all ukrainian citizens, not russian), but can you please tell me what exactly is this opinion?
        please leave all accusations and fingerpointing speech aside for a moment and focus on exactly you aspire to say.
        Thanks!

        you call everybody “little hypocrite” and warmongers.
        But who was the first to send troops to a foreign, sovereign country, while there was peace in their streets, and it
        was restructuring itself? Isnt it hypocritical to say that russian people are being protected, when
        in fact you dont even show that your army is the one taking actions (little green men)?

        I am an south american citizen living in Dnepropetrovsk region for 5 years.
        Yes, here everybody speaks russian (including myself), many people are of russian ascend, but they ALL can speak
        ukrainian which they all learned in school, exactly like people in Donbas and Lugansk.
        No one is happy with war, they all suffer from it.
        What i think? i think that if a foreign country invades your territory, you have the right to protect it.
        Killing civilians did happen, and it is very sad and horrible.
        But reality is, if you try to move borders of your country, someone might be unhappy about it and try to stop you.
        Its horrible, but its reality, no matter how bad you wish soviet union back.

        According to your Logic more than half of USA should now change to Mexico because people speak spanish at home.
        Because, you know, spanish speaking (ethnic mexicans) people live there for hundreds of years…
        Bullshit. The official language has nothing to do with what country you live.
        This is 1800 century logic.

        Ukraine was left to rot by ukrainian government itself. No doubt about it. Ukrainian government sucks, and part of it because of its past (exploitation of the land, not use and development).

        • Maxim says:

          No, not in Mexico. Why not to force all Canadians speak only French?

          Return Texas and California(by world’s society’s clapping how it was with the USSR). Remove the US social security system, salaries, ability to get apartments for every family.

          Then, tell them, that Hollywood was mistake and let them learn only Mexican perception of history.

          Kievan Rus was the first Russian state. People speak Russian, annals were written on Russian. Our epics dedicated to defend of this this city from foreign invaders. If some Russians still there why they need speak not their native language?

          Is a nationalism is good phenomena? (And I see, that the USA try to train that dragon using him vers their rivals (hoping divide them and power).

          But history learns

          German nationalist Hitler killed 20 million USSR civilians(not includes army’s casualties).

          Japanese nationalists did the same with Chinese and Korean people.

          Ukrainian nationalist Bandera supported Hitler,

          Russian nationalists who also supported Hitler was used in the quite successful CIA propaganda vers USSR (Freedom Radio etc.).

          In Chechnya 20 000 Russians was killed or reported missing by Chechen nationalists.

          Arabian nationalists blasted two sky scrapers in New York killed thousands in one second.

      • TheTruth says:

        You say that nobody wanted to hear the opinion of the east ukrainians but can you please tell me what exactly is this opinion?
        please leave all accusations and fingerpointing speech aside for a moment and focus on exactly you aspire to say.
        What does Eastern ukrainians wish for?Thanks!

        you call everybody “little hypocrite” and warmongers.
        But who was the first to send troops to a foreign, sovereign country, while there was peace in their streets, and it
        was restructuring itself? Isnt it hypocritical to say that russian people are being protected, when
        in fact you dont even show that your army is the one taking actions (little green men)?

        I am an south american citizen living in Dnepropetrovsk region for 5 years.
        Yes, here everybody speaks russian (including myself), many people are of russian ascend, but they ALL can speak
        ukrainian which they all learned in school, exactly like people in Donbas and Lugansk.
        No one is happy with war, they all suffer from it.
        What i think? i think that if a foreign country invades your territory, you have the right to protect it.
        Killing civilians did happen, and it is very sad and horrible. People who did it must be punished.
        And no you will never convince me that a president gave such order, we are in fucking 2016 and this is not Africa.
        But reality is, if you try to move borders of your country, lots of people might be very unhappy about it and try to stop you.
        Its horrible, but its reality, no matter how bad you wish otherwise. You will suffer, your family will suffer, your city will suffer.
        You caused it. Until then, things were a fucking mess, but at least some basic things did work.

        According to your Logic more than half of USA should now change to Mexico because people speak spanish at home.
        Because, you know, spanish-speaking (ethnic mexicans) people live there for hundreds of years…
        Bullshit. The official language has nothing to do with what country you live. This is 1800 century logic.
        People have their culture respected. They can speak whatever language they want. In Ukraine there are over 2000 russian teaching schools.
        Ukrainians are the biggest foreign group in Russia. Do you know how many ukrainian speaking schools are there in Russia?
        NONE. ZERO. So think again, my little truth-seeker(or?) friend.

        Ukraine was left to rot by ukrainian government itself. No doubt about it.
        If you take time to check out Mezhgiria (runaway president Yanukovich’s house) you might start to understand what ukrainian politicians care about is not its people.
        Then look again in Russia and you will understand why most ukrainians preferred EU instead of Eurasian union.

  14. Oscar Goldman says:

    @ “The Truth”, I love when half truths become complete lies (full of uncontrollable hating “judgements”). And still, I keep missing the part when the people of Eastern Ukraine are asked their opinion, instead of getting shelled, and wishing them death. Where is it?

    If you wanted to give these people a good reason to leave Ukraine and join whatever they want, you did a fine job. Please confirm this -again.

  15. TheTruth says:

    already posted my comment twice – why does the moderator keeps blocking it?

  16. TheTruth says:

    You say that nobody wanted to hear the opinion of the east ukrainians but can you please tell me what exactly is this opinion?
    please leave all accusations and fingerpointing speech aside for a moment and focus on exactly you aspire to say.
    What does Eastern ukrainians wish for?Thanks!

    you call everybody “little hypocrite” and warmongers.
    But who was the first to send troops to a foreign, sovereign country, while there was peace in their streets, and it
    was restructuring itself? Isnt it hypocritical to say that russian people are being protected, when
    in fact you dont even show that your army is the one taking actions (little green men)?

    I am an south american citizen living in Dnepropetrovsk region for 5 years.
    Yes, here everybody speaks russian (including myself), many people are of russian ascend, but they ALL can speak
    ukrainian which they all learned in school, exactly like people in Donbas and Lugansk.
    No one is happy with war, they all suffer from it.
    What i think? i think that if a foreign country invades your territory, you have the right to protect it.
    Killing civilians did happen, and it is very sad and horrible. People who did it must be punished.
    And no you will never convince me that a president gave such order, we are in fucking 2016 and this is not Africa.
    But reality is, if you try to move borders of your country, lots of people might be very unhappy about it and try to stop you.
    Its horrible, but its reality, no matter how bad you wish otherwise. You will suffer, your family will suffer, your city will suffer.
    You caused it. Until then, things were a fucking mess, but at least some basic things did work.

    According to your Logic more than half of USA should now change to Mexico because people speak spanish at home.
    Because, you know, spanish-speaking (ethnic mexicans) people live there for hundreds of years…
    Bullshit. The official language has nothing to do with what country you live. This is 1800 century logic.
    People have their culture respected. They can speak whatever language they want. In Ukraine there are over 2000 russian teaching schools.
    Ukrainians are the biggest foreign group in Russia. Do you know how many ukrainian speaking schools are there in Russia?
    NONE. ZERO. So think again, my little truth-seeker(or?) friend.

    Ukraine was left to rot by ukrainian government itself. No doubt about it.
    If you take time to check out Mezhgiria (runaway president Yanukovich’s house) you might start to understand what ukrainian politicians care about is not its people.
    Then look again in Russia and you will understand why most ukrainians preferred EU instead of Eurasian union.

    • Cover me, Porkins! says:

      As said before here, anyone boasting “TheTruth”, normally skips most of it and fills up the gaps with ignorance and programmed hate, prejudice and bigotry. And you just confirmed it again, little hypocriten warmonger.

      –“You say that nobody wanted to hear the opinion of the east ukrainians …”. You don’t. Confirmed. So I wonder how you still have the face to repeatedly ask for their death, obssesively. And at the same time, you are so “concerned”. LOL. You’re a joke!

      –“can you please tell me what exactly is this opinion?…” LOLZ!!
      That question alone confirms your hypocrite, warmongering position. You don’t know even know that, and at the same time, you want them bombed and killed! I guess you made yourself perfectly clear, little sadist.

      –“I am an south american citizen living in Dnepropetrovsk region for 5 years…”. Really? And have you ever wondered about the safety of the people being bombed at their viilages and homes in East Ukraine? No? Have you ever wondered what do they want? Of course not. We have clear this “detail” hasn’t crossed your mind. What do you think they might want now, after being bombed and killed? Thanks again for confirming you only have biased and bloodthirsty rants.

      –“Yes, here everybody speaks russian (including myself), many people are of russian ascend..”. Good boy! That contradicts much of your previous, lengthy cr*ap. You’re finally coming to your own senses.

      –“…i think that if a foreign country invades your territory, you have the right to protect it…”. If you kill a lot of people “of Russian descent”, instead of RESPECTING them and their opinion –or at least, wondering what on Earth they really want (and because Democracy has been outlawed), you sure can expect a lot of Russians to go there on their own will and fight to defend their own people and relatives, who are being killed at their own homes. If you don’t expect that, you’re in La La Land.

      But you already confirmed that the opinion and well being of millions is the least of your concerns. Again, your “indignation”, is a worthless joke.

      FYR, the US and NATO have bombed other countries –and supported other areas who wanted to secede them, because, well, that was called then the “Right of Self Determaniation” (go ahead, google it). Or that’s what they boasted when that approach was useful for their interests. But not in Ukrqaine today. No surprise… As a Latin American, you should know pretty well about how the US interests come above anything else in Latin America, regardless of the well being of millions.

      So, if you want to find the (real) Russian armed forces in another country, try Syria. In 4 months a few planes helped the Syrian Army to take back control of a big part of the country, from fanatic HeadChopping Terrorists. If the (real) Russian Army had attacked Ukraine openly, according to you, Ukrainian forces would have been crushed in weeks, Kiev would have been occupied long ago, and you would have run back to your country to avoid a rain of bombs and missile fire, and you know it.

      –“Ukrainians are the biggest foreign group in Russia….”. So? I don’t see Moscow bombing their houses with bomber planes, heavy artillery and missiles. They are RESPECTED (yes, read that word again). Probably that’s why they don’t plan to secede or going back to Ukraine anytime soon.

      –“According to your Logic more than half of USA should now change to Mexico because people speak spanish…”. Really? Never said that. Those are your words only. You’re inventing fantasies now, and putting them in other peoples mouths. What else can you do?

      So, because it seems you love to repeat yourself (and fail all the same), here it goes:
      For you, it’s “better” to bomb and kill people instead of asking what do they really want. Great! You don’t know their opinion, because Democracy was outlawed there by Kiev since the start. So, better kill them all! Nice FAKE “values” you have. Or at least, you just debunk your “principles” and your fake “concern” in every repeated post of yours, little warmongering hypocrite.

      Again, you’re just giving these people a very good reason to secede from that absurd (and deadly) situation. If that was your intention, well done!

      Please confrim this again, as many times you want. I’ll be happy to ask you the same questions you still can’t answer.
      =)

      • TheTruth says:

        dude, what you are talking about now is pure air, wind, nonsense.
        The war only happened because someone raised weapons.
        In any fucking country of the world, if you raise weapons against the authority you
        can expect certain death.
        Now i am talking about militia men, NOT about innocent civilians.
        The >2k innocent civilians killed are not intentional deaths.
        Probably you’ve been fed with Russia Today’s crap that Ukraine is killing its own people.
        In fact you are the one with hatred speech here, i am on an open dialog and i only present the facts
        i see and know HERE IN THE COUNTRY I LIVE, from the neighbours who died in this war ,
        not from some external newspaper.

        So, once again, put the bullshit aside, and F* say what do the Donbas people want?
        In 2014 for several months i heard that DPR wanted to be independent.
        Then the next day after the referendum victory, they ask to join Russian Federation.
        Oh oh suprise surprise. FSB nice job!!

        But guess what: russian people have their own problems.
        And no man, ukrainians are NOT respected in Russia. They are just hohols doing underjobs.
        Respect means you can speak your own language freely. Chauvisnism is definitely not respect.

        I do not hate russians, in fact i love russian people. I lived in Russia for half year.
        I have friends there that are completely against this crap government.
        But why do i waste my time? you dont want to hear me,
        your very next sentence will be “little warmonger wants to kill millions of people LOLZ”.
        Go to sleep troll. And stop using 10 different nicks to say the same BS.

        • Cover me, Porkins! says:

          Seems “The Truth” can’t support your positions. You need repetitions, right? No problem for me. You still can’t answer the same questions.

          –“So, once again, put the bullshit aside, and F* say what do the Donbas people want?…”. Huh? If you don’t know that, what are you writing about?? LOLZ!
          I can’t tell you that, because it’s forbidden to ask anything to the people who have lived there for ages. Democracy was outlawed. Killing the people there, it’s not. Simple.

          Read again if you don’t understand. Small wonder some want to secede from that deadly absurdity.

          -“But guess what: russian people have their own problems…”. So? Everybody has problems. You don’t?

          –“…ukrainians are NOT respected in Russia”. Really? Are they being expelled or bombed inside their houses or villages? No?
          –“They are just hohols doing underjobs…”. Really? And that’s because…(?). I suppose that has more to do with the Ukrainian bankrupted Economy, which ends up expélling their own people into Russia and other countries.

          –” if you raise weapons against the authority you
          can expect certain death…”. LOL. You can also expect people raising weapons if democracy and their opinions are outlawed (and getting killed afterwards). And worse, you can also expect their angry relatives to come down to defend their folks to kick your butt in retaliation. You didn’t expect that? Go ahead, let us know. LOL.

          –“But why do i waste my time? you dont want to hear me…”. I do. I only know that you don’t care to hear the people of East Ukraine. Getting them bombed and killed is no problem for you.

          So, because you love repetitions, it’s not a surprise they took up arms and many demand secession. It’s also obvious that if their villages and houses get bombed, instead of getting elections and referendums legalized, well, you’ll have people dead, and many of their angered relatives will come and try to respond in the same way, with or without a regular army.

          Your “indignation” should be directed to the useless heads ruling Kiev, who prefere to bomb people instead of asking them what do they really want. Read this again if you don’t get it.

          Now, cry some more.

          • TheTruth says:

            Have you ever been in Donbas?
            In Ukraine at all?
            You seem to be watching too much RT dude, nothing from what you write is useful, just empty words which you repeat from somewhere else. How can Ukrainian government kill russian people if ALL citizens in that area are Ukrainian and most of them speak ukrainian fluently? This ‘revolution’ is a paid exercise by Mr. Putin. Go dream about your soviet world. Good night.

            • Cover me, Porkins! says:

              As said before, after some simple questions, anyone claiming “The Truth”, ignores the important parts, and fills up the gaps with empty (and repeated) prejudice.

              If you don’t care to know what do the people living in East Ukraine really want (and at the same time, it’s OK for you to bomb and kill them inside their houses and villages), well, that’s your problem only.

              As said, that turns your “indignation” into a worthless, hypocrite joke.

              Please confirm this again. And again…

  17. Oscar Goldman says:

    @”The Truth”

    So, now you know that if you bomb and kill people, instead of listening to them, their angry relatives will be lining up to come and kick your fanatic b*tt, with or without a regular army. And probably, that’s exactly what many warmongers living in a far away continent, really want. Who knows?

    –Hint: Google the word RESPECT. It may be new for you. But it avoids wars, listens to people, and saves a lot of civilian lives.

  18. Maxim says:

    But ‘bloody and corrupted’ Yanukovich at least did not kill people during Maidan protests.

    Do nationalists became winners, if Yanukovich government following this principle- ‘any fucking country of the world, if raising weapons against the authority they can expect certain death’?

    The problem is that some people treat kindness as weakness.
    But truth not in a loud words, but in good deeds.

  19. Mr Dean says:

    I’m not surprised that Donetsk looks bleak since there’s been a war. My question is how can they improve their quality of life? Is anything outsiders such as myself can do to help make their world, and thus my own, a better place to live?

  20. Papa Karlo says:

    What a shithole. The criminal gangs at power gobble caviar and cognac, while the stupid people eat sloth, which the poorest American bum won’t eat even for free. It has become similar to North Korea.

    But to be fair, it appears that the whole Donbass region has been populated by prols (proletariat) since 1930s, not many educated people there.

    • Rashomon says:

      @”Papa Karlo”
      Those “criminal gangs at power” are exactly the ones who are supported by the US and NATO.

      It only appears you need to hate a lot of people too much, and there’s no problem (for you) if all of them get killed horribly.
      I wonder why…

      • Papa Karlo says:

        I am no fan of NATO, but those who are supported by NATO (in your opinion) have no control of Donbass now, however Donbass rulers have unlimited money and resources courtesy of the Russian taxpayers. So why is it still the shithole like it is? Blame NATO again, they must be stealing money from Donbass people today!

        • Rashomon says:

          …”Donbass rulers have unlimited money and resources…”. I don’t think so. See the pictures.

          • Papa Karlo says:

            You don’t get it, do you? The rulers have unlimited money, but they steal them, nothing gets to the people, and then they blame the hardships on the Ukrainians. Similarly, Putin has unlimited resources, but he and his buddies steal most of it, so just a little gets to the people.
            The main reason is – both Dobass rulers and Putin are totally non-accountable. Nobody can check how they spend money, and people who question them, get killed very quickly, like Boris Nemtsov just last year.

            • Rashomon says:

              …”The rulers have unlimited money, but they steal them, nothing gets to the people…”. That’s exactly what’s been happening in Ukraine for decades. And now these crooks are supported by the US and NATO. That’s very easy to back up.

              Nothing new….

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