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16 Helicopters Over Moscow

Helicopters Over Moscow

Posted on May 29, 2012 by team


Let’s see how they moved the helicopters for HeliRussia-2012 exhibition from the site named after M. L. Mil’ in Tomilino to the Crocus Expo, Moscow.

The site in Tomilino represents the Moscow helicopter plant named after M. L. Mil’. It was created in 1947 to include a design centre, pilot production, research complex and a flight-test base.

On the site there is a little museum right in the helicopter V-12. It was designed as a superheavy transport helicopter with load of at least 30 t and was intended for transportation of intercontinental ballistic missiles components. There exist only two helicopters of such model, the second one is in Monino.

Full-size helicopter model created in 1947, a prototype of MI-1 helicopter.

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16 Responses to “Helicopters Over Moscow”

  1. Apu Gupta says:

    that Mi-28 is probably one of the ugliest looking helicopters ever made. Sometimes, when you look at it, it tends to have some lines and profile of an AH64D… but it’s not.

    • bludclot says:

      The apache and the longbows aren’t exactly sleek and beautiful either…..

    • yojimbo says:

      It actually got the nickname “Apachsky” from some military annalists back in the mid 1980’s.It is not a direct copy by any means but it more or less fills the same roles as the AH-64.

      It is also less capable than the AH-64 but costs much less as well and can be used by nations that could never afford an AH-64 which cost an enormous sum of money.

      If the Russians ever develop viable Semi-active laser homing missiles (like the Hellfire)the AH-64 and the Mi-28 would be very closely matched.Right now the missiles available for the Mi-28 are SACLOS and need a constant laser beam on them for the entire flight the Hellfire need a beam only for launch and terminal guidance allowing a helicopter so equipped to fire the missile take cover behind terrain and pop up for last 5 seconds of flight(HUD display tells you flight time in seconds)SACLOS on the other hand means that you must stay exposed the entire launch saying here “I am shoot me!”

      • vorontsevich (f/k/a ayaa) says:

        You are not very up-to-date about Russian weapons are you. The newly designed Kornet-EM is fire-and-forget.

        • jeffrey pigden says:

          The Kornet-EM is a vehicle mount for the Kornet-E missile. It is a GUIDED missile requiring the operator to keep the sight on the target. The missile responds to laser guidance from the launcher to hit the target. In fire-and-forget mode it becomes a PROXIMITY weapon. It maintains the original launch attitude but can’t change targets or follow a moving target. The Hellfire can reacquire the laser designator and steer to a moving target.

          • vorontsevich (f/k/a ayaa) says:

            What makes you think it’s a missile mount? The Kornet EM is a whole system, a much improved version of the Kornet E. The Kornet EM uses the 9M133FM-3 missile. Its noticeably different from the 9M133fm missile used by the Kornet E.

            The Kornet-EM uses automatic guidance upon launch. The system can also track and engage two targets simultaneously, while the later versions can track four targets.

            Here’s an interesting article by the makes of the Kornet EM, KPB. Makes for a good read about some of its capabilities, but the article is dated July 2011, and its by the makers so the usual ‘superiority’ is present.

            http://kbptula.ru/eng/kbp/news/news015.htm

        • yojimbo says:

          the Kornet-EM is not currently mounted on aircraft though it is a ground fired weapon mounted on the ground or a vehicle.I am talking about air launched helicopter mounted missiles the Russians do not have a truly fire and forget missile for use or helicopters.

          • vorontsevich (f/k/a ayaa) says:

            No. The Kornet EM is fire-and-forget, but it is not configured for helicopters, thats true.

            But Russia does have another fire-and-forget missile thats for use on helicopters, the 9K121 (Vikhr). But, its not used on the Mi-28 or even Mi-24/35, only on the Ka-50/52. It is quite expensive, and not very commonly found outside the Su-25SM squadrons.

            But the statement that “Russians do not have a truly fire and forget missile for use or helicopters” is outright wrong.

            • jeffrey pigden says:

              The problem here is terminology. The Hellfire is a SELF-GUIDED missile. It homes into a target on a reflected laser beam. That beam can be turned off and on up until the last few seconds of the flight. The terminal phase requires the target be illuminated by the laser otherwise it shifts to proximity mode. The Russian missiles, AT12, AT14, Kornet-E & 9K121 are GUIDED missiles. They receive instructions from the launcher via laser data link. The operator MUST keep the optics on the target for the missile to impact. The unguided mode, fire&forget is proximity only.

              Information from the Kornet-E user video.
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvk4Z4gHEIU&feature=related

              • vorontsevich (f/k/a ayaa) says:

                The 9K121-M (vikhr 2) and Kornet EM systems use automatic guidance, as in the operator only has to acquire a target and lock on. Once he fires it, he doesn’t have to worry about it. The system will take of the missile and its flight path until impact.

                You’re probably thinking that just because a missile is not independently guided, that has to mean the launch platform has to be stationery. Not quite. A Tigr carrying a Kornet EM (not the E version) can operate the missiles on the move. A Ka-52 carrying Vikhr 2s can fire a missile and move away. The operators don’t have to manually keep the target painted. The computers do that.

                There are several advantages to having independently guided missiles, but in the case of Russia the disadvantages more than cancel out those ‘pro’s’.

    • vorontsevich (f/k/a ayaa) says:

      If I were ever confronted by an enemy attack helicopter, thats what I’d be most worried about. How sleek and streamlined it is. Lol.

  2. Aviateam.pl says:

    Please visit http://galeria.aviateam.pl/panoramy/ if You want to see russian helicopters inside.

    Full 360 panoramas.

  3. Foxtrott says:

    @yojimbo: Sorry, but that’s BS. The SALH variants of the Hellfire are explicitly not able to do what you say. A continuous laser aiming point must be in their field of view two seconds after launch as by design specifications. And “popping up for the last 5 seconds” is no bonus if your total engagement time is only 6-8 seconds in recommended engagement range.
    Plus you don’t seem to understand how SACLOS works in a beam rider. You can easily steer a (eg. Mi-28’s) AT-9 along the beam without needing to aim at your target, the secondary Air to Air capability of the missile is a direct result of that. Additionally your target is never directly painted by a laser so detection chances are very slim unless a real CIWS like ARENA is fitted, and I recon you know how ‘well’ SALH works against the effective VIRSS deployed on virtually all combat vehicles around the world.
    The only major drawback really is that the missile can’t be controlled from the ground as easily as the Hellfire as it needs to ‘ride the beam’ virtually for the whole engagement time.

    Additionally I believe that in the combat environments the Hellfire was actually used in, (that is no credible threats from ground fire and no air threat) during the last twenty years it provides no advantages to a Beam Rider.

    • yojimbo says:

      Wrong on many occasions helicopters equipped with Hellfires have been able to engage several targets one after the other when only needing the beam for launch and terminal guidance two or three Hellfires can be fired one after the other at different targets(obviously they cant be miles apart) and so engaged less capable missiles lack this and need input from the crew in flight if the laser is removed for a time the Hellfire does not need input this is a clear advantage.

  4. post soviet says:

    MI 28 reminds me the disney character Goofy

  5. Osip says:

    Looks like Mi-28 was winner in contest to see how much crap can be attached to helicopter and still make flight.

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