First days of invasion into Russia seemed to be a piece of cake for Nazi German army. According to the plans of the German chief commanders the whole deal with Russia would take just a few months. They were hoping to take over the Moscow until winter of 1941 (the operation has started early summer, 1941). The invitations were sent to the higher officers of the German army for the celebration of the victory on Russian army in the summer, a few month before the planned victory.
And so there advancement into the Russian territory was really that easy for the first months. They moved fast, often leaving some pockets of resistance inside the conquered Russian land. Soon they got themselves right near two of Russian main cities – Moscow and St. Petersburg.
In Russia there is a popular belief, that Moscow shouldn’t be ever surrender to the enemy, because loosing Moscow can mean loosing of all the country. So the battles were becoming more violent and fierce as the Nazis approached Moscow.
And then winter come, that was the well-known old Russian winter, with horrible frosts and lots of snow. Before German army fought in the relatively warm climate of Western Europe and didn’t know what Russian Winter really is. It got demoralized them very much and possibly the Russian Winter saved the Russian people from being defeated right in the first year of the war.
Then the war lasted for 5 years more, and no holiday took place for which German officers got invitations, and frankly speaking at the end of the war mostly no invitation recipients were left alive.
And those are photos of the first days of the invasion, made by German soldiers.
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OMG The Germans are soo cruel, they used russian kids to shine their shoes. Thats CHILD LABOUR! Illegal under Internatinal Law!
It was their biggest mistake, to invade Russia.
We celebrate this day the 9th of May
communists were worsed than nazi! Read about comunists crimes!
you need a Gasenwagen biatch
if nazis would won we would be living in a world where a race defines your social status, some nationalities would be annihilated, cool, ha?
the reds won and what? we have todays world, its healthy,ok?
30s stalin`s repressions were random, victims were random, their children survived, killings didn`t have such an epic non reversibility of nazis, who just cut out people not living a chance to escape (like jews)
you don’t know history, have you heard about tatars? stalin and other commies killed whole nations!
Вечная память героям! Мы знаем что вы сделали все возможное, и в плене вашем
нет ничего постыдного.
war veterans get very good pensions, my grandpa was getting 25000 rub per month.
oh yeah, its only about 700 dollars a month, oh those poor people. how do they live?
well you know what? On 700 dollars/ month one can live a moderatly wealthy life in russia.
Fascist and communist friends took themselvs by throats.
Andrey is right. It was the biggest mistake of Third Reich. But reason why you in russia celebrate that day on 9th is that Stalin was so paranoid that he had the peacedeclaration signed again, though western countries had signed it day before- on 8th…
Right.
Molotov in his speech after German declaration of war explicitly addressed Germans talking about concentration of Soviet forces at the border with Germany, which he, of course, called “complete nonsense” just like Putin’s foreign minister horse-face Lavrov would do today.
Molotovs’s radio speech is available on the Internet as MP3, though I have lost a link. If someone finds it, please post it here.
Trivia: Also it is funny, that while Soviets always have claimed that Nazis attacked them without declaring the war, there actually was such declaration, though belated by 1 hour or so. On other side, in 1945 USSR attacked Japan with whom there was a peace agreement, indeed without declaration of war. Well, that was a treachery.
So much for propaganda…
P.S.
You might want to see some pieces of video, generally related to the topic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8NIBMkzDIM&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPhT2H7aogE&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-FcVPZAIFI&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkkPZHjqa5Y&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8koqr0uUgs&feature=channel_page
Is there a problem?
Is this something you did not now?
Oh, what a pity! They probably forgot to tell you about that in school!..
Source:
Вячеслав Михайлович Молотов – Речь 22 июня 1941г.
http://f1.army.lv/audio/133.mp3
Listen to Molotov’s speech once again or go to your local library and get folder of Pravda for 1940.
Pay attention: Molotov does not deny concentration of Soviet troops at the eastern border of Germany. What he says is “Germany so far has not had objections”.
He, actually, admits that there IS concentration of Red Army at the border with Germany, but he complains that it is not fair for Germany to attack USSR becaue of that, ’cause they so far have not complained about it.
P.S.
If will actually go to library (do you go to libraries? do you know what library is?) and if you live in ex-USSR country, do also pay attention how many pages will be cut and how many articles will be missing. It is called “censorship”. You might want to read “1984″ about it. “He who controls past, controls future.”
Don’t touch Russia…
Yes, it doesnt matter we make war on caucasus and we allmost attack baltic countries, dont touch us. (I really like my money and everything i stole from russian people, please dont attack me, i like my stolen things very much, dont destroy them)
I wish you had more balls, Mr. Putin, and finished the job like Bush did in Iraq. Instead you failed miserably, and left innocent Georgians to face their fate at the hands of a Tyrant. How can you ever guarantee that Saakashvilly won’t attack Ossetia again?
You are a coward Mr. Putin! You people are being repressed in Baltic Sates and you won’t even bat an eyelid, instead prefering to subsidise their gas, not to offend your friends in Bruxelles. Shame on you!
Ra Ra Ras-Putin?
Ga Ga Gaz-Putin…
Don`t worry Boris they love tyrants like Stalin and also chechen rebels
Oh yes, gas and its prices… The latest Russian propaganda blitzkrieg. It seems the Russians picked up the bait according to his expectations
Tell us more about the gas prices, my Czech friend? Don’t forget to mention how much Ukraine currently pays for gas and compare that to the rest of Western Europe.
One has to questions the rationality of Russian government giving gas away to an unfriendly country, when to this day, not all Russian homes have gas themselves.
Putin’s energy policy so far has been a complete failure!
Maybe I dont have much balls, but if i want you will get sick of your “bad” sushi tomorow.
Hey, I dont care about “my” people, HAHA, I dont even care about my mother!
Who made who?
Hitler=Stalin.
Excelent fotographs!!!
Fascist and communist friends taking themselvs by throats
So sad that germans didint succeed.
Great! I was just wondering how long it would take before Baltic Nazis would start commenting, exposing themselves for what they truly are – subhuman scum!
Hey Jaaks, come out… your friends are here!
Actually there are no Baltic Nazis, there are only some people I hire to act like, maybe I want to invade Baltic States without any legal reason again. capiche?
Have you been treated for rabies recently?
So sad you did not die in childbirth.
You mess with the Russian Bear, you get the claws!
first days of the invasion and there are bodies covered in snow?
Ah, did someone offended your fascist sensibilities?
Let me guess, you are ether from Latvia or Estonia, am I right?
Well, don`t know real you`re Boris or fake provocator
I`m not on nazi or German side, just wanna say what Germany lose war not because of Russian cold winter. This myth is distributed by western propaganda.
What do you think about Uschenko? Maybe he is reptilian http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwKcjRD1DNE
Well, don`t know you`re real Boris or fake provocator
I`m not on nazi or German side, just wanna say what Germany lose war not because of cold Russian winter. This myth is distributing in western propaganda.
What do you think about Uschenko? Maybe he is reptilan? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwKcjRD1DNE
What a f…?
In Russia there are more violent crimes commited by nazis than in all the baltic states together. Step out of your soviet dream and see whats going on in your beloved russia.
a lot of people forget just how close the germans came to taking over the world. it really was frightening at the time… the russians and everyone else had to scramble to keep up! good job they lost haha. germans are gay.
I don’t know about Germans being more gay than others, but I agree that it is good that Nazis lost and will add that it is pity that Bolshies did not loose then and there as well. I believe it would have been better for everyone if Americans would have cleaned all that mess up in forties. World would be a better place now.
The world would surely be a better place if America controlled ALL world affairs, right? the world would be a better place?
pax americana?
P.S. I know soviet government did some terrible things! Soviet people won the war, NOT Stalin!. I’m just sick of people emphasizing that if the US declared war on the USSR things would be better. First of all, if that happened, Russia would be a tiny country right now, stripped of all territories necessary to it’s survival, the US would NEVER pass by the opportunity to gain from this conflict. I am not entirely sure that you mean well by your comment or just trying to justify American opportunism abroad like many of your politicians did and still do (Long after the end of the cold war!!)
why don’t you show pictures from KATYN?
They fought against communism. They died for freedom.
WEHRMACHT, SS, ROA, RONA, COSSACKS
Never forgotten never forgiven.
The red “liberators” can celebrate the 9′th of May all they want. IN HELL, with the whole communist party and the NKVD.
I am sure you are taking it over the edge here, though I guess I understand what you are trying to say.
Get rid of illusions.
Do not degrade the topic to absurdity.
nice trolling
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
This world in arms in not spending money alone.
It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.
The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.
It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population.
It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals.
It is some 50 miles of concrete highway.
We pay for a single fighter with a half million bushels of wheat.
We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.
This, I repeat, is the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking.
This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.
Address by President Dwight D. Eisenhower “The Chance for Peace” delivered before the American Society of Newspaper Editors, April 16,1953.
Dude, concrete highways suck.
there is ne need to fight russia. just let them drink and drug to death. they are close already.
Last foto show famous talking Soviet horse with no legs. He was no fun to ride because you feet drag on ground. Also he not good to pull cart. The soldiers trying to push him to market.
Exactly so, colleague.
We just have to add, that this is a female horse pictured here.
Male horses were not really fun to ride, because they kept on getting stuck to the ground, for obvious reasons.
My Dadushka knew hime well, His horse name was Mr. Evgeny. He a Talk very well for a horse. I am sorry to tell you his man-pride worn off the way a cigarette is rubbed out in ashtray. It make him a sad horse.
I understand westerners stole idea and make TV programme about Mr Evgeny. They call it Mr. Edward.
The worst part of being famous talking Soviet horse with no legs is to not be able to eat tall hay. He felt very sad about this.
Previet comrads,cock de la!
Where is miss India?I have not seen her comments since she was told off by CCCP!
I am here. I have changed my mind and decided to stop posting anti russian stuff anymore. Most of my posts were the same (I had to post my views on so many sites that I ran out of anything interesting to say) and even I got bored with myself.
So, adieu, EnglishRussia. I’m sure that you will miss my well presented arguments. The best one I could think of was “omg such a backward country no wonder they dont know how to drive
”
Miss India
P.S. If anyone posts anything like “OMG, Russia is such a poor country
” or “Poor Russia so polluted/ruined/corrupt etc.) It’s not me – it’s a bot.
Dont take any comments too serious.You have your own style of comments that you write.They most likely were not serious anyway.You were just having fun:)
Hi Miss India,do you still read this site:)
write back please
:)
Post link to this post by CCCP
Bilosh, you crack me up!!
actually your all wrong
Hitler lost Russia when he alienated the ‘white Russian’ population that largely threw down their arms and surrendered not willing to be involved in any more of Stalin’s purges.
Had he incorporated these men, rather then leaving them to stave or treating them like animals he would have had more reinforcements that would have fought all the more harder as they were fighting for their own territory. As an example I am going to remind you of the heroic performance of the Nazi divisions at the kurland pocket in Latvia. The advancing Russian army gave up and went (well can’t be polite about this) raping hapless women around them. (crime statistic show that currently in 80% of all rape that occurs in Russia is a pack rape, so some things don’t change in fifty years do they?)
As for me, I hate hate hate the Japanese. Had the Japanese not attacked Pearl harbour there would have been no need for the USA to enter the war thus leaving Hitler to do what he set out to do. Next time Germany goes to war (not that it needs too, with the invention of the European union) it needs to pick its allies a bit better, its really sad that they didn’t win and we had to wait another fifty years for the European union and we still have to put up with Zionist bombing schools in Lebanon.
Which brings me to my next point. The origins of WW2 were all in the Great war which was started by some jumped up Serbian. Instead of throwing comments about ‘facist’ and ‘communist’ why don’t we all join hands and hate Serbia?
I think this site is fantastic and cannot get enough. Well done to the site manager. bring on more pics. We need some of Gregory Zhukov on his white horse called?
We also need a regular column dedicated to Hot Latvian traffic police cause those red ties get me in the mood for a bit of rape and pillage.
Oh and I loved Ra Ra RAS Putin……..I haven’t stopped laughing yet.
“Hitler lost Russia when he alienated the ‘white Russian’ population” – Oh, yes. I completely agree.
There was so much hatred against Bolsheviks all around after all the mass murders and conquests they had done up till June 1941.
If Germans would have treated people nicely, they would have won the war. But then they would not have been Nazis anymore, so that would have been a completely different story about a better world.
Just an example of how easy it is to fu*ck up things and lose everything if you have bats in your belfry and keep making enemies instead of making friends. That is something Putin might want to try to learn from…
This has to one of the most hateful and twisted posts I have witnessed on EnglishRussia.
One positive that is coming out of this post, however, is that more people will now see what terrible damage Baltic Nationalist propaganda has inflicted on the young minds of Baltic States.
Bearing in mind that I hear such sentiments on the daily basis, partially for Latvians and Estonians, the situation really is critical. What’s even worse, is that people are not the ones to blame – Racism, Xenophobia and anti-Semitism are the very basis on which current Baltic governments are holding to power.
Something must the done, and must be done now. We simply can afford another Fascist stage in Europe.
Everyone here knows your long lasting “love” for people from Baltic countries, so better keep your xenophobic chauvinist delirium to yourself.
“Hitler lost Russia when he alienated the ‘white Russian’ population” – Oh, yes. I completely agree.
There was so much hatred against Bolsheviks all around after all the mass murders and conquests they had done up till June 1941.
If Germans would have treated people nicely, they would have won the war. But then they would not have been Nazis anymore, so that would have been a completely different story about a better world.
Just an example of how easy it is to fu*ck up things and lose everything if you have bats in your belfry and keep making enemies instead of making friends. That is something Putin might want to try to learn from…
А ведь смешно, правда? Ведь так хорошо все начиналось – и Польшу с немцами поделили, и у Финляндии и Румынии куски отхапали, Прибалтику всю загребли – а это 3 страны сразу. А потом вдруг – БАЦ! – друг и товарищ Адольф как даст под дых! Еле оклеймались! Кабы не ненавистных американцев с англичанами, смотри, еще Ленинград бы назывался Герингбургом или чем то вроде того. Жаль только что планы по успешной советизации всей Европы вылетели в трубу. Абыдно, да?
hehehehehehehe smeshno skazal.
Agreed.
Stop whining about Katyn you Polish swine. It was so long ago. Maybe I should start whining about Polish crimes against Russian civillians in 17th century?
“Stop whining about Katyn you Polish swine. It was so long ago.”
And you, Rooshan whatever?
Why don’t you stop whining about German invasion?
As you yourself say – “it was so long ago”.
(As a matter of fact, it was only 1 year and a half after Katyn, with “Great Patriotic” Thing actually being only logical continuation of all the other events at the end of thirties.)
The title “First Days of World War 2″ is fundamentally wrong. Because what the article is about is the so called “Great Patriotic War”. Which is basically days of WWII glorious for Russians, with the days not so glorious for them before that (Poland, Finland etc.)conveniently forgotten. Selective cognition. They see only the things they want to see. And get mad if you tell them that.
“Facism and Communism are two different things”
Maybe in theory.
In real life they look exactly the same.
Besides, Nazis were Socialists, just like Communists. Fascists lived in Italy.
Actually, judging by your “them self’s”, which would have to read “themseves”, I doubt if you are any close to America at all.
Possibility that you are one of those agitators from Russian teenage Fascist organization “NASHI”, posing as foreigner (a practice, which has become very common), is much more probable.
Agitprop. Lenin highly valued cinema because of its value for propaganda. Dr. Goebels admired Soviet practice of installing a loudspeker called “radio-point” (“radiotochka”), spitting out Communist brainwash hour by hour day by day. Putin, seems, has correctly estimated a value of anonymity and accessibility of the Internet for propaganda purposes.
…And all of the sudden Internet is full of strange people speaking broken English pretending to be what they are not, but all and every of them being crazy Russophile ready to kill and to die for the Great Russia. Just amazing.
Вот, вот …
Internet is very affordable and increasingly effective medium (as more and more people spend there their time and get their information there), and so ideal for Russian propaganda by “astroturfing”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing
Gena, I somewhat agree with you but it’s obvious you’re a Russian immigrant living in the US, and not very long either because your long post also lacks “proper” English.
That said, we need a strong Russia. Screw democracy, Putin should take over permanently. Though this oil price crash might cause some serious issues.
No, Russia most ertainly should not “Screw democracy”. Just beacuse US and UK have decided to do so, doesn’t mean Russia should follow suit by becoming a Police State.
ID cards, 32 days detention without trial, continuous deteriorations of civil liberties – give me “Russian democracy” any day!
Chris, you are bashing Gena about his English?
I have been teaching the English language for 10 years, and I see plenty of grammar mistakes in your post.
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Care to elaborate how they look the same? Because in real life, they were more different then capitalism and planned economy..
PS. Nazism is Fascism…
go to russia countryside and show us the growth. it’s the 3rd world country with atomic weapon
Is it Poland under Soviet occupation on photos no 1,5,6,7,8,10 ?
Russianlynxy: …if the US declared war on the USSR things Russianlynxy: would be better. First of all, if that happened,
Russianlynxy: Russia would be a tiny country right now,
Russianlynxy: stripped of all territories necessary to it’s
Russianlynxy: survival…
– Germany used 85% of her military resources fighting the Russians
– Germany lost 88% of her soldiers fighting the Russians
– Russia had 460 divisions in the European war
– The US had 16 divisions in the European war
Please explain how “…if the US declared war on the USSR things would be better. First of all, if that happened, Russia would be a tiny country right now, stripped of all territories necessary to it’s survival…”.
Kirov : Chris, you are bashing Gena about his English?
Kirov : I have been teaching the English language for 10 years,
Kirov : and I see plenty of grammar mistakes in your post.
I’m sure there are some, but plenty? Please outline all grammar mistakes in my post.
Gena was writing as if he’s an American, which he is not. He is an ehtnic Russian judging from what he wrote.
Please outline all grammar mistakes in my previous post.
Kirov, you are an ignorant fool! Go drink some vodka and then get some rest in the ditch. That`s where you belong!
i cant believe people are still arguing about who did more in ww2 russia or the US
RuSSiaNThuG : i cant believe people are still arguing about who
RuSSiaNThuG : did more in ww2 russia or the US
The war on the Russian front was larger than all the other theaters combined. The American contribution to the fight against the Germans as understood by most Americans is ridiculously overblown. Just trying to set things straight. I’m Polish so please no accusations of being pro-Russian, but a strong Russia is necessary in the grand scheme of things.
Most of your comments suck and show little knowledge of Russia and its history. Russia will in time distruct unless they find a way to make more babies – their population is on the decline.
Lets solve all issues here and just post more pictures of sexy Russian girls and we can all fight over something much more important – which girl is the hottest!!!
Give us more girls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Russian girls are awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know….I got one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got one too!!!!!!!!!!
She is HOT, SMART and just a SWEETHEART!!!
Bilosh : The worst part of being famous talking Soviet horse
Bilosh : with no legs is to not be able to eat tall hay. He
Bilosh : felt very sad about this.
Quit while you’re ahead =)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6753179241338483263&ei=mflmSa6YO4yA2wK6mbCLDg&q=soviet+story&dur=3
This puts some events of WWII in to perspective. Like the Finland’s winter war for example.
And despite of the rather propagandist take I feel it´s one to watch if you want to broaden your outlook on WWII history.
америкосы вам песда я был щаслив когда вас бомбило собственное правительство 9/11
ты и твоя жызнь это сплошная реклама кантрацептива
нормально гонит,всех проамериканцев ф топку!
И ты баран!
Еще одно животное на горизонте появилось
Да и правителство России бомбил собственных гражданин. Книгу Литвиненко читал? Про девятиетажных дом помниш?
no one and has never been able to and will not be able to conquer Russia. Learn history.
Everyone lies about their history. This way the bad guy is always out there, and not in here. So lets take it easy. Will never get the whole story right unless we have supernatural powers.
Nice pictures on this website
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Ok, let me hear your “expert” opinion. Tell me why Fascism was the same as Communism.
Inconvenient truth, I have been in the Russian countryside (unlike you). They got TV’s, food, heating etc. Sure, unfortunately they are quite a bit poorer then city dwellers, but they also grow much of their food themselves, and gas & electricity prices are low.
Russia in the dark, I would love to do that (sounds fun), but unlike you I have some intelligence and responsibilities.
Ah, so you have been to the Russian countryside? Really? How sweet! Where was it? You should be a great Russian countryside specialist now. Possibly they could even invite you to “Russia Today” to pose as an expert.
You say, they have got “food”! This is great!!! Let us thank the Great National Leader Vladimir Putin for providing food to the Russian countryside! So nice of him!
You say, they even have a TV? Amazing!!!! Fascinating!!!! It is so great to live in the New Proud Russia, Rising From Its Knees!!!
I am crying hot tears of joy and pride for the Great Country of Russia.
I have to stop this comment ’cause tears are blurring my vision and I can’t type anymore…
I’m not really in position, since I told you I was “teaching” English language for over 10 years, while what I was trying to say I had been “learning” the English language for 10 years (since I choose to teach English in school).
I CHOSE# Not choose#
“Fabric owners doing what they can to maximise profit, ignoring all other things.”
You have made a funny mistake, Comrade. “Fabrika” in Russian is not equal to “fabric” in English. What you said is “The linen owners doing what they can to maximise profit…”. Obviously, you wanted to say “The enterprise owners… etc.”
Unfortunately, I must inform you that the accounting department was informed to deduct 100 Euro from your secret EUR account.
Next time you make similar mistake, your brother will be sent to serve his 10 years for calling The Wonderful Democratic All-Russian Presidential Elections “a farce”. Your grandmother will cease to receive the lousy pension for her no-good husband. We know very well he died in 1945 in Berlin by the hand of his own men after trying to stop them from raping a 12-years old girl.
Your wife will be assigned the job of a cleaner in the barracks of our glorious Red Army.
Beware, Comrade!
Check your dictionary before you make a post!
The enemy never sleeps!
“Why do Poles always bring up Katyn, but never bring up German atrocities?”
Because this is a forum about USSR and the proud heir of its traditions – Russia.
Simple.
No. I have been on internet forums, and it is always Poles calling Russia evil for whatever reasons. Never Germany.
My comment adoring your extraordinary knowledge and wisdom has been lost somewhere in the cyberspace.
I don’t care. For some reason, Poles dislike Russians many times more then Germans.
You had to say “For some ABSOLUTELY UNKNOWN WHATSOEVER reason Poles dislike Russians many times more then Germans”.
Of course, when we are telling you about the reasons, which, actually, are well known to everybody except you, you are not listening. So go on. Be strong. You will have to deal with this mystery for the rest of your life.
Дорогой малолетний долбоёб. Твои “доводы” говорят о том, что ты ещё не переступил порог 15-ти летнего возраста.
“Both have red flags” – ДА!!! ЭТО ВЕСКОЕ ДОКАЗАТЕЛЬСТВО!!!
Бляди, чьи книги ты рекомендуешь, используют примерно такие же сравнения.
Errr… Nazi’s WERE NOT far-right or far-left; as is commonly known today. They utilized elements of each. Just because their name had the word ‘Socialist/ism’ in it and government controlled EVERYTHING, it doesn’t meant that they were easily slotted into the “left” category. And the fascist ideology doesn’t automatically slot them neatly into the “far-right” category either. I think they used elements of each to attain their goals.
Today it is common to associate them with the far-right, because people, by nature, like to categorize things. And, because of their outlook of the Jews seems to fit todays idea or “racism”, which is generally associated with the far right.
It’s all a case of humans being lazy and wanting to categorize things to make them easier on themselves.
Enough babble… GREAT SITE!!!
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Kirov ignore my P.S to you. N/m
Wow, you are a teacher in the US? Let me guess, a history teacher?? I really want to see proof.
Tell me, is it true that 11% of 18-24 year old kids can’t find the USA on a map? I guess your one of those 18 year olds?
How many hours of the history channel do you people watch?
Miss india your comments are kinda pathetics
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Ok
У toXa имеется “революционние сознание”. Зачем ему фсякие книжки неправильные читать?
Cool off, baby.
I believe it is hard to live in USA but love Russia, to be American citizen and to hate America for not treating Mother Russia with proper respect, to live in democracy, but try to explain why totalitarian system is OK. And after all it is hard to defend why Russia is such a great place when you yourself had run away from it.
In short – it should be hard to sit on two chairs at the same time, isn’t it?
Relax. After all, I believe, after some more saber-rattling, one or two more colonial wars and few more jolly speeches of Tzar Putin, some more truth of “Russia Today” instead of evil Western lies, Great Russia finally will earn proper respect and will take its deserved place among World’s Superpowers. Unless it is H-bombed into oblivion after some Russkie provocation gone too far, of course.
As for people without knowledge of English coming here – so possibly they should not come here after all, if they can’t read and write? Better they hang around Russian “Patriotic” sites then.
P.S. There would be no need for you or anyone to defend Russia, if it would not behave like a madman itself, insulting and abusing everyone.
Kirov, did Germany declare war on USSR in 22 june 1941?
Thank you.
Your identification of “Nashi” as “Putin Jugend” was the definition I needed to google out the meaning of “Nashi”. Until now, it was a puzzle I did not understand on this forum.
Welcome!
I am happy there was at least some use of my comments here.
Take care!
Russia rocks,I’m not Russian,but,Russians PLEASE drop TSAR bomba on New York!!!!
Bah, my post refuses to post!
“Bah, my post refuses to post!”
Possibly they are so incompetent, that server chokes on them. No?
OK, just kidding.
The posts are getting so long that it is not possible to read them anymore, so possibly this is time to quit this fruitless conversation.
thouse 2 regios wanted to be with russia ever since the collapse of ussr. Infact everyone in south ossetia was given russian citizenship. Georgia attacked south ossetia and it attacked russian citizens. Do you expect russia to just stand by and watch its citizens getting killed (which they did untill 2000 people were killed)
latest count?
the war was way back in august. And the official number is 2000.
i agree with the fact that many people debate if that’s the right number but nobody doubts that the official deathtoll is 2000. for Tshinval with the population of 30000, 2000 dead after 2 days of heavy artillery fire from the hills around the city (Tshinval is in a valley in case you didn’t know)is no surprise.
here are 300 that were identified so far
http://www.ossetia-war.com/dvlist
the rest are in pieces or decomposed by the time they were found
http://www.regnum.ru/english/1050769.html
Ossetia told them
http://www.osetinfo.ru/spisok
here is a more up to date list of 360 people
Something makes me to believe that bodies of civilians killed by Russian fire are included and tagged as “victims of Georgian genocide”.
No doubt that all separatist gunmen killed in action are tagged as “innocent civilians”.
And with all that just over 300 bodies?
Not too much for a dreadful “Georgian genocide against Osetians”, I would say.
Basically – no any proof of it. Busted.
google it and you will find a list of 360 identified victims so far.
the rest are probobly in pieces or decomposed by now
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1) Cursing and insulting is the best way to undermine your reputation and the views you represent.
2) Comparing uncomparable things and proving advantage of one is very clever demagogue.
For example: USSR had before second world war 24.000 tanks and 1 millon air dessant troops etc. BUT today USA annual military budget is 600 billion dollars.
Is it comparable somehow? Value of money has changed and the way how the money is earned has changed. And suddenly we are not comparing the Germany and USSR anymore. We are comparing USA today and USSR back then.
Why not to compare ancient Egypt and todays Russia?
), ammunition, aeroplanes, navy, etc etc.
But if we continue the comparision, just for fun, then
we see that modern tank (Leopard 2, T-80) today costs 4 million $ and USA 2008 military budget was 711 billion $. 711 000/4=177750 tanks.
USA today could build 177750 tanks for budget money IF he doesn’t spend a cent for wages (USSR did not pay salary to his army – everybody volunteered
What would Stalins WWII army cost today? His army of 1941 was modern in standards of 1941.
Wikipedia:”During the Great Patriotic War, the Red Army conscripted 29,574,900 men in addition to the 4,826,907 in service at the beginning of the war. = 34,401,807.”
Imagine what would cost all this equipment and weaponry, cannons, food, silk of the million parachutes etc. today?
“Well, today the high-tech makes all the fighting, not manpower. The submarines, missile defence and joint strike fighter takes lots of money, but they are lot mightier than manpower..” – you might answer. And you are right, and conclusion about USSR in 1941 is…?
Anyway, thats why comparing uncomparable is leading to absurds and doesn’t lead anywhere. Only stirrs up emotions.
blah blah …
Let me guess – I believe “utterly ahistoric” in your interpretation means something that you can not find in “Большая Советская Энциклопедия” (“Great Soviet Encyclopedia”) or the epic works of so called “historians” from Deutsche Demokratische Republik, educated in Moscow?
History’s so much better understood.. at least here in Greater Western Germany .
But of course we’ve got our share in revisionists and anticommunists selling this fascist bogus here as well – just to be clear.
Ha!
You say
1) “Communists among the first were eliminated by Stalin”.
and then
2) – “Communism until now never existed at all”
So you think that Stalin eliminated something that never existed?
Nice.
Individual communists vs. “communism” (and vs. communism):
Not even the same words, right?
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How does that link to my post?
I do not get the meaning of your message. You might try to express yourself a bit clearer.
Or are you on weed?
Or did you try to say that it is OK to kill people if the idea is nice? (Even if it is idea which is unrealistic and can not be implemented, but still it is OK to try and kill, spoil, destroy for just in case one day it might work and everyone suddenly will become happy.)
Or you want to say that Communism does not exist because all the adherents of Communism have not yet finished their job (of bringing over the Happiness For All (Survivors)) by violent means?).
Frankly, I believe that you are crazy. Either in cynical sense of the word or just so much detached from reality and in into outlandish theories, that it hardly matters.
You are crazy.
And dangerous.
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Pol Pot said that the times of his rule have been the happiest period for the people of Cambodia. He really believed what he said.
You two might make good friends.
Never mind, you’re in no way capable of giving satisfaction but I appreciate your clueless exhibitionist propaganda as it is. I know you don’t get it, you don’t get anything. You cite Suvorov! Same sign of a weak mind as speculating about your counterpart to make a case.
Try another one – Marx said: “Je ne suis pas marxiste.” many a times. Think about that. And look up communism. And look up nazism.
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Afterthought:
Imagine:
A pile of dead mutilated bodies in a pool of blood, steaming in cold East-European spring. Dozens of them. Men and women. Hands tied on their backs, skulls crashed, arms and breasts chopped off, eyes poked, bullet holes everywhere. Terrified local people digging through the cadavers looking for their missing relatives.
blingo stands next to the pile of corpses, boots splashed with blood, ENCYCLOPEDIA in his hand. Turning pages. Suddenly he rises his head and shouts out in joy : ” Hey, folks!!! Relax! I LOOKED UP ” CUMMUNISM”! IT’S OKAY!!!!!!” 8))
No connection yet. But we might want to look up “socialism” as in eastern european branches of collaboration with NS forming over the autochthonous antisemitism, antiziganism.. and their pogroms. Strictly anticommunist collaboration with NS forming over the autochthonous antisemitism, antiziganism.. and their pogroms that were.
And sometimes catholic. Catholic as the christian genocides of so many of the 70 to 80 million indigenous deaths in the southern two of the three Americas.
But no, the latter would be wrong. Those were truely catholic – not just a connection of RExoid versions.
So.. they call it communism?
Me? Born in Munich, went to school in Dachau. At least half of the family were Nazis. Not a relative but kind of a false grand-uncle, whatever the terms would be, was an Eichberger, kind of “der Eichmann der Sinti und Roma” according to their survivors.
You? … Citing Suvorov!
Done.
Read what I wrote to not have to ask me to explain what I didn’t write.
Given up on your präventivkriegsthese and your system of belief now that the name of Suvorov came out?
Check out Russo/Ossetian investigation.
PS. Nearly nill, if you wanted to know. Russian forces behaved professionally and acted effectively, crushing the US armed and trained Georgian army.
What, you disagree? Unlike US air force obliterating entire villages in Afghanistan, Georgian civilian casualties were very small (around 40-50 dead I think).
Kirov!i can`t understand!! ! ! ! ! ! !please give us “some”details about these historical events! ! ! ! ! ! ! !.
I should.. Yow funney! The “Präventivkriegsthese” and its revisionist brown ones just qualify by themselves in the eye of the non-fascist beholder. I’m not defining anything, why would I? You’re not interested in relevance.
Чиво? Не понял. Шибко умно.
Me? Born in Munich, went to school in Dachau. At least half of the family were Nazis. Not a relative but kind of a false grand-uncle, whatever the terms would be, was an Eichberger, kind of “der Eichmann der Sinti und Roma” according to their survivors.
You? … Citing Suvorov!
Done.
How does that link to my post?
I do not get the meaning of your message. You might try to express yourself a bit clearer.
Or are you on weed?
Or did you try to say that it is OK to kill people if the idea is nice? (Even if it is idea which is unrealistic and can not be implemented, but still it is OK to try and kill, spoil, destroy for just in case one day it might work and everyone suddenly will become happy.)
Or you want to say that Communism does not exist because all the adherents of Communism have not yet finished their job (of bringing over the Happiness For All (Survivors)) by violent means?).
Frankly, I believe that you are crazy. Either in cynical sense of the word or just so much detached from reality and in into outlandish theories, that it hardly matters.
You are crazy.
And dangerous.
Never mind, you’re in no way capable of giving satisfaction but I appreciate your clueless exhibitionist propaganda as it is. I know you don’t get it, you don’t get anything. You cite Suvorov! Same sign of a weak mind as speculating about your counterpart to make a case.
Try another one – Marx said: “Je ne suis pas marxiste.” many a times. Think about that. And look up communism. And look up nazism.
Read what I wrote to not have to ask me to explain what I didn’t write.
Given up on your präventivkriegsthese and your system of belief now that the name of Suvorov came out?
seems to me you guys are beating dead horses.
the world is an awful place to live if one is weak. Bullies, of every religion, race, political organization, you name it, have been and will continue to take advantage, anyway possible, to get what they want.
I have tried to read thru these posts and find it amazing,
the arguments that are tossed about, the statements that are made. just prove that the fuel for fire is out there, just waiting for a spark to ignite and start the whole mess all over again. It’s always the same, no matter who grabs the land, the resources, the access to trade routes. I thought the socialist/communist was a sharing system, but it’s not. Capitalism wears you down with it’s constant demands to stay ahead, just miss a payment or two and you can lose everything, It’s no cakewalk here in the States. The more influence one has the bigger the crimes one can commit and get away with. it’s always been this way? In most every culture that creates an empire, Empires are created on the backs of others, the weak, the uneducated, the hopeless, the naive.
Every empire that goes up, must eventually come down, it’s what we do as humans, and for most of us, we spend so little time on the earth, who can really figure what is going on, what is the big picture? Propaganda flows everywhere, lieing to everyone, we are all victims of our own short sightedness. And we prove it by babbling about who’s dictator was better, who’s government killed more people, took more prisoners or not.
I cam to this site to learn things of Russia, someone from my family came from Moscow, via Poland, back before most of the things you guys argue about occurred. You guys sound like i’m listening to people here argue about the American Civil war as if they were still going to go out and begin fighting it all over again, only this time it would be different? Some of you sound like you just like to argue, and don’t care about what the results will be. I will continue to visit the site, i like it, the pictures, the silly debates, it gives me a small space in the frosted glass to look thru and wonder how i might have been or even if i would have been had my ancestors stayed.
Moskowitz
You are right.
Possibly the vise thing to do would be just throw out of the head all this politics/history stuff. It is never possible to step into the same river twice, so why argue. Possibly the next time something like this happens the roles will be reversed, so why argue.
For me the reason to argue is that past event affect present decision making and thus affects future. And I hate to see that incorrect (in my opinion) or unjust decisions are made based on what I consider to be wrong, incomplete or biased information. And that hangmen are greeted as heroes, just because they were at the “right side”.
Possibly it is not smart to take politics so close to heart, because politics is such a mess. Possibly smarter thing to do is to have a beer or two and go out with friends. That clears your head and direct attention to more earthly matters. Why should you give a sh*it about things you basically can not change (except for by voting for someone who can).
So, f#ck this.
P.S.
Yeah, and f#ck Commies too…
Afterthought:
Imagine:
A pile of dead mutilated bodies in a pool of blood, steaming in cold East-European spring. Dozens of them. Men and women. Hands tied on their backs, skulls crashed, arms and breasts chopped off, eyes poked, bullet holes everywhere. Terrified local people digging through the cadavers looking for their missing relatives.
blingo stands next to the pile of corpses, boots splashed with blood, ENCYCLOPEDIA in his hand. Turning pages. Suddenly he rises his head and shouts out in joy : ” Hey, folks!!! Relax! I LOOKED UP ” CUMMUNISM”! IT’S OKAY!!!!!!” 8))
Niemand hat die Absicht, den Revisionisten die Revolution nahezubringen. Wir wollen die Begegnung. ..und die Hälse schnüren zu, schnüren zu.
I’m sorry. Here in the U.S. we don’t have the traditional custom of the Ship of Fools. In order to keep our fools busy so they stay out of trouble, we let them run loose on the internet.
No connection yet. But we might want to look up “socialism” as in eastern european branches of collaboration with NS forming over the autochthonous antisemitism, antiziganism.. and their pogroms. Strictly anticommunist collaboration with NS forming over the strictly anticommunist autochthonous antisemitism, antiziganism.. and their pogroms that were.
And sometimes catholic. Catholic as the christian genocides of so many of the 70 to 80 million indigenous deaths in the southern two of the three Americas.
But no, the latter would be wrong. Those were truely catholic – not just a connection of RExoid versions..
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Don’t you think they did their homework after that?
Первый день второй мировой не 22.06.41, а 01.09.39.
First day of WWII wasn’t 06/22/41. It was 09/01/39.
Photo No. 16 rather looks like the Germans defeated close to Moscow. There’s a lot of such upon completion of Moscow Battle.
La mas grande batalla de la segunda guerra mundial. Buenas las fotos
And who is better Nazzi or Soviet Union?
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If there weren’t nazis then SU-s west border would be at La Manche Bay! For and evel you need to have evel on oposite side.
> First days of invasion into Russia seemed to be a piece of cake for Nazi German army.
> And so there advancement into the Russian territory was really that easy for the first months.
That is actually a myth, Nazi propaganda mostly. E.g. Luftwaffe lost less planes in Battle of Britain than in first few months in Russia.
Ossetia told them
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