Comments on: Russia under Nazis during WW2 http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/ Daily selected things from Russia and ex USSR countries. Published In English. Fri, 16 Nov 2018 09:00:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0.1 By: jack http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-9635470 Wed, 10 Dec 2014 08:26:28 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-9635470 Today the real nazis are in Moscow, Kremlin

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By: Kenneth http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-9072123 Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:29:16 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-9072123 Nazi PROPAGANDA at the lowest or highest level depending on your point of view. It is TOO obvious to even write a significant point of view!

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By: survivor http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-6791228 Thu, 29 Dec 2011 13:06:35 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-6791228 This is a great forum for “nonsense”. The only thing missing is the flies.

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By: Morozov V.A. http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-3671044 Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:34:39 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-3671044 Oh… so in Nazi times, was better, the private propriety existed!

And the nazis wet the pants when saw Stalin’s statue, the reason they didn’t destroy it.

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By: Justpassingby http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-3269560 Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:57:11 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-3269560 Rascism is really not the way to go, no matter how much propaganda you’ve had crammed into your head. Despite the past obviously leaving marks on the future generations, both German and Russian people now do not deserved to be treated as though they are Hitler and Stalin themselves. Their grandparents were just ordinary people carrying out orders for two power starved dictators in order to save their own lives – everyone makes mistakes, so leave them alone.

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By: Robotussin http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-3265366 Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:28:32 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-3265366 What are you ‘Karl’? Because german you are not.. why that silly little travisty?

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By: strawberry picker http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-2289170 Fri, 17 Dec 2010 06:03:52 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-2289170 We need more people with an attitude like yours. I wasn’t going to comment until i read your post. If i could email a cold beer, i`d send a carton :)

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By: ast http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-2195762 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 21:29:33 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-2195762 war is awful thihg. as my grandmother told me how she was feeling when a soldier gave her a bread and next moment just shot her sister with a cat…………… etc….

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By: karl http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-1775743 Mon, 04 Oct 2010 18:28:51 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-1775743 It is so interesting of the Amerikanisch replyes.For they know so little, and but say so much! For what do they know? And yes, my fater was SS of Panzer, so what.

Karl

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By: giantblob http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-1750140 Thu, 30 Sep 2010 15:03:26 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-1750140 Close examination of the photos reveal that most of the smiling Russians and German soldiers are smiling with their eyes. I.E., they are actually smiling because they are happy and not because someone told them to.

Yes the German army did A LOT of horrible things, but shurly this shows that there were some decent guys too!

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By: gOOsebeRRy http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-1620353 Sat, 04 Sep 2010 10:57:55 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-1620353 how bout israeli (zionis) killed afgans ppl? anyone do care bout that? frankly speak i like nazi…. they travel to chase all jews and eliminate the allied troops…. britain and american travel to other country to conquer and making money on their captured country…. japan army chase british army in malaya to sent the british back to their home…. its same when british army comes to malaya they killed ppl… so whats the point? allied decide to use atomic bomb to hiroshima and nagasaki causing fatal damage to the civilians…. is that fair? how bout if german and japan decide to bomb america and britain? allied dont have guts in war…. they only think how to bomb the opponent’s home…..

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By: Lolboy http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-1582531 Sat, 28 Aug 2010 22:16:49 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-1582531 Some of you are really dumb,or just say tools,forgive this start-I had to say.
This pictures are not propagand or photoshoped,do you really think all german soldiers were evil machines of pain and destruction?Some of them surely,but not the majority.
And in those tough times they made friends with the villagers,big deal,but they died fighting Russian soldiers,ironic isn´t it?

Things are never just black or white,remember that.

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By: GW http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-1424844 Mon, 19 Jul 2010 03:59:20 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-1424844 Dear friend,
While you have reached the wrong conclusions. I will not even bother to explain to you how . Just think of the fact that the NAZIS could not follow Geneva conventions since they did not exist. Also exterminating all Jews, Gypsies, Slav,Commies, and etc. undesirable elements is allowed on the convention , pretty much explicitly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions In case you don’t know what wikipedia is. Also I really hope you are either 9 or just being sarcastic for the sake of humanity cause Hitler might be right if you aren’t.

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By: GW http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-1424819 Mon, 19 Jul 2010 03:58:19 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-1424819 Oh yes also, I dont see any partisans swinging from trees. My grandma who happened to live there at the time, always seem to talk about those darn partisans. Swinging and swinging, their eyes eaten by crows with children playing in the background. oh the joys of childhood. What were the partisans fighting for? Stalin? PS These photos might be a bit selective and telling half the truth.

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By: GW http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-1424815 Mon, 19 Jul 2010 03:55:36 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-1424815 This is the most. Entertaining description I have ever read. Clearly you need more education or to talk to some “russian” people under the occupation. Also do you know what a bander is? As for private property and what not? Germany used a even worse system of occupation and resource exploitation in Russia proper, that can ever be dreamed up by the CP. Also for all the Neo-Nazis out there. Its nice that people still believe in things but its still kind of wrong.

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By: Jester http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-1386195 Wed, 07 Jul 2010 09:17:12 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-1386195 That is true, Hitler did mobilise the German people, but you also need to understand the underlying effects of this on the German economy. Stalin also did similar, but again, the false economy of a manufacured prosperity eventually collapsed.

Both sides of the war did terrible things and not just the Germans and Russians, Americans, British, Canadian, Australian, Italians, Spanish… I am sure each nation has a story of terrible deeds comitted at some stage. No country ever celebrates this and will never portray itself as the evil party, but men are men and in exceptional circumstances anything can happen.

The important thing is not to dwell on the events and harbour ill will, but to learn from those events and strive to be better people.

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By: Tim http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-1341975 Mon, 21 Jun 2010 05:26:56 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-1341975 Can you imagine the mentality of torturing people? Can you believe the mindset of a human??
Yet, the Bible tells us of a future when a leader called the Anti Christ will kill billions!
With the oil spill in the Gulf, could that be one of the Revelation’s? Could be, why God is not going to be that obvious, but yet its almost obvious….

The NWO is playing out, and this is written long ago….. Cap N Trade is being passed all over the world, as leaders bow to the NWO..
Only a handful of countries like Russia have sustained from entering into agreements….
The problem of course will arise that all countries will goes against the ones that refuse to enlist into the NWO…cause its gonna be forced onto the entire world….. no one will be immune from the Beast that is coming out of the Sea….

You can bet, we are seeing everyone unfold, at a rapid rate….
Soon, all of us will have to make a choice…..
You wont be able to buy or sell….meaning you will starve….. or die by the sword….or become captive……

The story you read above is a glimpse of our futures ahead…..

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By: Flora Madison http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-1297493 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 04:28:10 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-1297493 Hah I am literally the first reply to your incredible article!?

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By: Reva Houston http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-1293542 Sun, 30 May 2010 08:00:34 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-1293542 englishrussia.com’s done it once more! Great writing.

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By: Ron - Plywood Boat Plans http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-1287851 Thu, 27 May 2010 16:51:24 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-1287851 very interesting testimonial..as a Jew, I had family that was murdered under Nazi regime. So it’s interesting to learn about others who did not suffer the same fate.

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By: Felix Unger http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-1201796 Mon, 19 Apr 2010 02:30:56 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-1201796 A long time since the last comment. I’m shocked by the sugestion or premise that the Germans were somhow friends of the people of the USSR. Whilst Herr Hitler signed a pact promising not to invade the USSR and did indeed divide the spoils of his Polish invasion with them in 1939 the rest is fantasy. When unable to break Britain and its comonwealth allies Hitler started a war with his former allie to gain the mineral and oil wealth denied him by the effective blockade of shipping to Germany. The invaders were expected to kill anyone they deemed likely to cause problems. “Bolshevics” were top of the list together with anyone suspcted of being a communist leader, local official, jew, priest, opponent of Natonal Socialism, old enough to fight and s on. Because of the length of the supply line (as with Napoleon) the troops were expected to live off the land. Even th most ardent Communist must surely admit that the purges of the army and forced collectivisaton of farming under the regime in power ad left a weak defence and a population on the whole near to starvation. Millions of your own citizens had died as a result of imprisonment, deiberate murder and starvation. I know Comrade Putin has whitewashed much of this in Russian (neo-Soviet) history, but those are the facts. Thousands died because they were “intellectuals” like teachers, writers, engineers, designers playwrights, musicians, dancers, or homosexuals, gipsies. This was in forced labour camps BEFORE 1939. Your claims for firsts look ridiculous hen you consider that arguably best aircraft desgner in the world and most of his team were imprisoned in Siberia for a long time.
The SS were efficient killers and they had the support of the army at large by fear if not acquescence. The siege of Leningrad was a brutal affair on boh sides. At stake was the young USSR, its generals purged (killed) and its military leadership youn and inexperianced. The Germans had been preparing for war since about 1933. So far as Germany was concerned the “Slavic” people were as sub-human as they considered gypsies etc. to be and “Russians” were Slavic in their eyes. What little food there was in USSR was either taken germans or destroyed by the USSR army in its retreat. Neither ide gave a damn for the civilian population whose homes were burnt and destroyed as german troops swooped towards Moscow.
The idea that a few photographs can rewrite history is preposterous. For a start what evidence do you have to authenticate the pictures? They’re not verifiable as to date, where they were taken, by whom and more important still who hey are! As proof of anything they are junk. As german troops died in the siege of St Petersburgh messages were being brodcast on German radio sending messages to loved ones at home. Families in Germany were sending Christmas presents, clothing and food parcels to soldiers dead or dying and the delivery of which was impossible anyway. All these are verifiable fact. The German war machine was generally excellent at propaganda. The Red Cross visited an extermination camp and met groups of happy, well nourished inhabitants happily working for the war effort, men, women and chldren. All of course were said to be jewish and convinced the visitors it wasn’t an extermination camp. Within the week all were dead. The Nazis kept records, meticulous records, nd mny survived as he Allies, which now inclded the USSR razed germany. Many survivors left details of what had happened in the “Russian” offensive. I knew one survivor on the german side. A young man in his teens at the start of the war. Tall (even in his 70s) blond, aryan. He becm membr of the waffen SS and had the tatoo to prove it. He had been involved in the german invasion and though he said what he had seen he avoided he had participated. Most of the family knew he’d been captured and spent time as a POW in Germany and Britain. After he commited suicide (he had terinalcancer) the family read the account he’d written. It wasn’t pleasant reading. I know accepting “photographic evidence” sounds convincing, but by the same yardstik do you believe in Darth Vader, Sherlock Holmes, Captain Kirk and so on? It would be simple even now to produce photographs uch as these. A suitable location, period clothing or reproducton thereof, models to fit the part and throw in some long pre-war prints to complete the mix. I find it novel that in USSR days with chrch represion high regime equally repressive of religion should in a short time ot only tolerate it but seemingly actively encourage participation. Who is throwing rocks? We see their backs only.Two at least appear to be wearing jackboots! Do we know who stands behind the camera? Is the throwing voluntary?
To me most of the pictures back up the general view of the Nazi hierarchy. Barefoot poorly dressed savage living a sub human existence in an uncivilized country. The group of children eating from one large pot and looking almost, if not,naked would be ideal for the propaganda machine.
I you don’t agree at least look again in an open way at thehistory of the era. Current Russian or German citizens shold ber no grudge against each other. Denying past history may lead to the same mistakes being made again. By searching for the truth we should be able to avoid them
(Bush and Blair aside!)

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By: PKS http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-1134836 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:06:35 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-1134836 > it was not so bad under the short German rule

Sure. 19 million civilians in Russia died because of extreme joy and happiness. 11 million of them even executed themselves!

Posting Nazi and neo-Nazi propaganda. Bad, bad ER!

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By: otto http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-1009059 Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:47:46 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-1009059 I like the picture with the words Arbeitsamt. This ist the place where Russian People could apply for work. So work was strictly voluntary and those that applied got paid by the Germans. The pictures are not Propaganda. Germany was not at war with the Russian People as such, they where at war with those that instigated the War, those who worked behind the scenes in Russia, England, France and the USA. The Germans considered the Russians as noble people. Now in todays time we can see again, how the same bunch of people pulling the stringes behind the scene to establish a new World Order.
That Russia suffered the greatest nummber of death ist mainly doo to the way the Red Army used their Commrads as cannon fodder. The Russian Officers, mainly Jewish people, had no regards for life. These Officers send the Russian soldiers ill prepared to their death. My father told me, that they came marching in formation towards the Germans lines in Koenigsberg, Kaliningrad. This is where my father got taking prisoner. The Germans always wondered, how the Russian officers could burn up their people. It was not strategie the won the war for the Russians, it was only doo to the fact,that Russia seemingly had an unlimited amount of human resources. If the Brits would not have ben able to destroy the German population in the Cities at hom in Germany, the Russians would not have been victorious.

So far as I can determine, from my research, the Germans come out of it all with the cleanest shirt. They followed the Geneva convention. I know this because the Germans inflickted heavy punishment on those Germans that commited war crimes. While the Germans bombed in Brittan the factories, the Britts concentrated meinly on the people, because their was no anti aircraft fire.
Hitler would have never attackt Russia, if it where not for the fact, that Russia was planing to attack Germany. This is the reason, why the germans had at the beginning of the war such great success. All the railroads in Russia were stuft full of war machinery, going towards the German frontier when the Germans invaded Russia. The Russian troops could were not quite ready to attack and could not go back either. The material arrived, but the troops did not. This cought the Red Army by surprise. The Germans were able to destroy and captured thousands of tonnes of war material. Everything that I write here has been resarched carfully and anyone that has any daubt con find this on the internet.

Just for thr record, does anyone know why the cold war started in 1948 between the Sovjets and the western allies? This was because the Russian people had gotten rid of the Jewish people that pulled the strings behind the scene of the russian Government. The Jews in the western camp did not like this and this is the reason for the cold war.
Do you know, why the cold war ended in 1998? It is because Russia oppened the door again to the strippen pullers. Now Russia has the same cancer again, than before the war. The way it looks, the octopus has encircled the whole world, just as Hitler predicted. The only places where the octopus has no tentacles is, in Cuba, Venesuela, Iran, North Korea and a few other countries which are not cooperating with the western ountries.
I can not tell how deeply these wealthy burgouise got their roots in Russia, but Russia is now infected with the same cancer causing virus than the western world.
Just think of the hoaxes of climate change, sars, swine flu and bird flu. Think of the fact, why some people can only publish their findings in alternative media. All thes are symtomes of who is running this world. The media is not telling the people the truth.

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By: - 13 - Gday.ru - , http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-1006109 Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:54:58 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-1006109 [...] English Russia Russia under Nazis during WW2 [...]

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By: bolder http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-977495 Sat, 05 Dec 2009 04:48:37 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-977495 This is all German propaganda. It was really deceptive propaganda and the truth was far different. German soldiers raped, humiliated, and murdered Russian civilians on an epidemic scale. It was apart of their doctrine in dealing with the Russian civilian population. The average German soldier (not just the Waffen SS) committed these crimes on a large scale. The Russians lived in constant fear of German brutality. Many survivors testified to this after the war and so mauch evidence proves this to be true. I have been very interested in WW2 and the Holocaust and have learned from many sources of the cruelty of the Germans in WW2.

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By: Amusee http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-956449 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:25:56 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-956449 Stalin was not Jewish. Dzhugashvili does not mean “son of Jew”. “Dzhuga” does not mean “Jew” in Georgian. (Nor does it mean that in Russian.) The Georgian word for “Jew” is “ebraeli”. “Dzhuga” refers to a place (and likely to an extinct Georgian tribe that gave its name to the place), but it has nothing to do with Jews. Stalin was Georgian and Orthodox. In fact, he studied to be priest.

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By: Chia http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-735067 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:23:03 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-735067 Fine, but.. Soviet civil losses were about 13,000,000 people, while the German civil losses (caused mainly by the Anglo-American massive bombing raids) were about 1,223,000 people.

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By: Joan http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-528870 Wed, 27 May 2009 20:04:54 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-528870 I read something about the strange occasion that the German troops, which Hitler descended upon Russia to enslave and destroy the Russian nation in order to create a German India, were welcomed by local population as liberators from the Bolshevist yoke: If that is true then Stalin is a real lucky man! He seems to could have done every folly and mistake and survived it! He had allied himself with his other self Hitler, who was his sworn enemy, against his natural allies France and Britain; he killed almost every capable person in his great purges and ignored all warnings about the upcoming German invasion… if the Germans would have treated the Russians like they did in the First World War they might have been able to raise a second white army and to defeat Stalin! But the world or at least Europe was lucky too: As Hitler inflicted that much damage on Stalin his other self was unable to pull the fast one again in 1944/45 as he did in 1939/40 and enslave all Europe under the Bolshevist yoke! Though it would have been better to save Germany from destruction, like France was saved in 1814/15, as a great power by arranging a nice little military coup against Hitler with the more saner levels of German military and administrative leadership in 1943/44; people like Rommel or Mannstein were quite reasonable… by doing so the world would have not only been freed from Hitler but from his other self Stalin too: As the despot was guilty on every charge brought against the helpers of Hitler in Nuernberg. Stalin of course is on top of my personal list of people who should not have survived the Second World War! Together with Guenther GraSS and Bertolt Brecht [my old enemies from the German lessons], the arch-traitor Sartre [a country that has such citizens does not need enemies!] and of course Gandhi; so much for that and in the next war France will hopefully have learned her lesson: First shot all communists and then go to war! This spares a nation the military defeat as well as the illegal partisan war after a defeat…

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By: Mehis I http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-479411 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:55:01 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-479411 Dear people!
You have never lived under soviet regime, but I have.
I note that before WW2 there was very tight collaboration between Soviet and Reich in militar and economy areas.Military officers field trainig, fight pilote trainigg and weapon design and training were some few examples. After destroying of Poland from east and west have they a military parade together in Brest. Let stop with this.
I can tell much more about, but if nobody will not understrand at there is no difference between communist regime and nazi regimes plan for future, it will be abandoned time. Thank for attention.

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By: Leon http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-475937 Tue, 28 Apr 2009 03:44:09 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-475937 well they were exterminating rodents like gypsies so your grandpa was lucky he escaped.

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By: k http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-475757 Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:12:09 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-475757 Yes, yes… Germans were so respectful and civilized that before German officer raped a woman he ordered her to wash up and wear clean clothes, German soldiers were so civilized, they did not raped many women – just shared one, and they only pillaged expensive and luxury items…

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By: guas http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-439920 Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:17:11 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-439920 good nazis, mmmm, do you notice almost all people was children and old people? where is the young men,middle age men?

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By: chupachupser http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-433970 Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:02:50 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-433970 “As for the ridiculous 100 million Slavs, we will mold the best of them to shape that suits us, and we will isolate the rest of them in their own pig styles; and anyone who talks about cherishing the local inhabitant and civilising him goes straight off into a concentration camp”
– Adolf Hitler

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By: Nina, Germany http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-428678 Thu, 26 Mar 2009 02:30:33 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-428678 yes, God forbid someone does something in his own country that Russians don’t like. Because it;s up to Russians what monuments stand in another country’s cities, right?

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By: lude nunes http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-428276 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:38:38 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-428276 How much of this might be called Nazi propaganda? If it was so good and peaceful, how some 25 million Soviets died on this war?

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By: noname http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-426826 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:32:35 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-426826 ” Germans didn’t gangraped millions of females, they didn’t terrorize civilians just for fun, no looting”
Well, I wouldn’t be so sure.In fact there are hundreds of examples that prove that this is not true. Yes, this was a war, and one side was probably no less violent than the other, meaning that the red army did commit atrocities also, however saying that the Nazis were all kind hearted peacemakers is a little bit too much, my friends. Whatever, this is all in the past anyway, lets not hate each other please.

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By: noname http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-426806 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:30:06 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-426806 yes. Heil Hitler. I guess the nazis didn’t really burn people in ovens, it was all made up by the evil Russians. Come on you guys. And by he way, I DO believe the pictures. I do accept the fact that sme German soldiers were normal people, and not “dangerous animals..” However, I don’t thnk that the idea of Nazism can be justified in any way, and nothing in the world will convnce me that all the Nazis wanted was to give out chocolates to the poor kids of Eastern Europe. And I don’t really consider myself a Russian patriot, however it really disconcerts me that some people are ignorant enough to blame Russians for all the evil in the world, and for actually fighting against nazism. Russians sufered from Hitler no less than they did from Stalin.

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By: Democratic http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-426369 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:24:28 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-426369 You can listen the discussion between Hitle and Finnish Marschall Mannerheim in 4th of June, 1942. Hitler was telling what a great shock is it to him to know how enourmous forces Soviet Union had near Greater-German border in june 1941.

Link is here. It’s wellknown in Finland (found in early 1980’s) and only tape where Hitler has normal politicial etc talk (not propaganda speech).

http://www.yle.fi/player/player.jsp?actionpage=3&id=4727&locale=

Historical very important. And in many ways destroys some myths of Barbarossa.

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By: Democratic http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-426366 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:05:56 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-426366 These photos are not at all surprising. German soldiers behaved very well almost all over the Europe comparing Red Army soldiers. Germans didn’t gangraped millions of females, they didn’t terrorize civilians just for fun, no looting (there was nothing to loot).

Only exception were small minority of SS-soldiers (majority of them behaved very well toward civilians). But Einsatzgruppen (terror-organisation, you can compare them to NKVD) made the crimes. And when we think about jews we must remember that russians terrorised jews as eager as german police units.

Now you can ask youself was ordinary German soldier worse than american soldier in Vietnam or Soviet soldier in Afganistan. I pretty sure German behaved as well or better.

I know russian patriots and communists might feel pain in ass, but you also must undestand that myths of German “terror” in western part of USSR and truth is little bit different story. It’s time to break down the myths of WW2 and start to tell true stories.

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By: AquaOrange http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-420577 Sun, 22 Feb 2009 07:16:05 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-420577 depending on how lucky the village people are, they can meet a humane troop of the “enemy” side or otherwise. also, is the aspect biased? for example, suppose i hate the racism of nazi, but i hate comunist greater than i hate nazi, so in this particular subject, it’s of my interest to promote nazi rather than commie(althought inhumanity of both system is simply wrong)?

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By: DRON http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-416734 Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:34:31 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-416734 Propaganda

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By: MollyArtsy http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-407950 Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:00:22 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-407950 HA, ha, ha! Its true.

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By: Gurtek singh http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-392813 Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:09:17 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-392813 heck all the propagandas why fight, why to war , their is nothing in war then in peace i like the picture of kid eating bread above………….

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By: mukut dave http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-385071 Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:46:45 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-385071 yes, death to the barbarian russians

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By: Cuando los nazis atravesaron Rusia « Mare Magnum http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-382911 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:29:49 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-382911 [...] con la traducción del artículo (si es que cabe la polémica), las fotografías publicadas en English Russia me parecen de un valor histórico grandísimo. Por esto no he dudado en [...]

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By: Michael Kuznetsov http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-370804 Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:12:56 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-370804 Hi Folks,

The German invaders were not such “sweet” liberators as a few Nazi propaganda photos are meant to show.
They did mercilessly murder 13,000,000 (thirteen million) Russian CIVILIAN people.
I repeat — CIVILIAN people, not soldiers!

To kill such a huge amount of people BY HAND (not by the mass destruction weapon – MDW) was such a formidable task that neither the SS, nor the special detachments Einsatzgruppen) alone could have ever fulfilled it.

It was only with the “assistance” of the regular German Army – Die Wehrmacht, on a daily basis, that the damned murderous German occupants managed to have killed thirteen million Russian civilians: 13,000,000 innocent WOMEN, CHILDREN and OLD PEOPLE.
See
http://www.russian-victories.ru/russians.htm

Michael Kuznetsov

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By: Mike http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-301206 Tue, 27 May 2008 04:10:30 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-301206 there have been many ridiculous comments here

first the nazis killed millions of people- they are all but extinct now

The Soviet killed many people especially there own, they are a bit more stubborn and have been slower to find their path to sanity.

And yes Russians did fire at their own troops if they tried to retreat, why do u think stalin said “it takes more courage to retreat towards russia, than it does to charge the enemy”

but yeah u people in russia if u went outside your borders that every other countries news media will conflict with yours

means that the russian media and history books are probably very inaccurate

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By: none http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-261889 Wed, 07 May 2008 23:28:25 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-261889 Someone loves the Nazis! and it’s the poster of this article

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By: Leon http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-261702 Wed, 07 May 2008 19:51:35 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-261702 germans were respectfull and civilized, in comparisons to the soviets who raped , pillaged and killed with out mercy.I heard stories about women in the red army who put corsets over their uniforms and men who stole room watches and wore them around their neck.And i am not from the baltic states.

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By: Dmitri http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-236013 Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:50:53 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-236013 I hate to disappoint you but this is not a lie, my grandfather told me just that and he fought on Soviet side. Soviets really did force their grunts to march on with “friendly fire”.

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By: Dmitri http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-236011 Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:29:23 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-236011 That was meant as a reply to
Comment by igor
2008-03-13 01:23:17

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By: Dmitri http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-236010 Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:26:31 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-236010 Igr, podozhdi.
Everyone (and I mostly mean parties that benefit from it), can create a picture for you just for that purpose. You need to learn to become more suspicious towards your own government. Always ask yourself a question – “who benefits from that?”.

Let’s say that there’s need for a public outrage so that we can transport troops in the cover of that one event. It wouldn’t be hard at all for me to organize an event where russian speaking people wear highly valuable collectible items (namely nazi uniforms from the ww2) and wave their arms just like they have learned from historical films. The people on the film can even stay completely oblivious to the fact that they are being used in political propaganda and the film is not for educational purposes.

American people from US of A have almost learned it not to trust their government blindly but they are not quite there yet. We can beat them at this game even if we start late. Like now.

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By: Authorized! http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-232716 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:56:28 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-232716 It’s all true, all of my grandparents told me that Nazis killed only partisans and communists, civilians enjoyed many freedoms that they didn’t have under soviets

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By: Al..ex..ei http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-232467 Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:16:33 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-232467 Speaking as new Canadian with a East European and Russian background, I would LOVE to have people get alone but they are way to different, and difference amnog groups, as well as identification with a particular group are the main components of a conflict…so lets hope for the best!!! cheers!!!

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By: Redleader http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-231472 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:04:00 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-231472 Speaking as a Canadian, can’t we all just get along? Yes there were many atrocities on both sides, it was war. It’s over with now. Let’s all go out for a beer and celebrate a period of relative peace.

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By: igor http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-231124 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:23:17 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-231124 so do it! i want to see russian police with swastikas or i dunno… canadian police with swastika earrings
let’s see some!

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By: Sfrandzi http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-230626 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:42:54 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-230626 The text is silly. And photos at all propagation. It is one of the parties of a reality. Which is always complex and is various. It is clear, that German soldiers – people, and Russian peasants – people. And between people human attitudes are naturally fastened. But if to these soldiers will order to burn village – they will burn. If will order to shoot one thousand or two thousand person – will shoot. That’s all. It were soldiers of Great Germany, and Russian bread, Russian hands and Russian chernozems was necessary to Great Germany, and it is more than anything. Germans at all have not dismissed collective farms as Russian peasants because this system was very convenient for getting bread hoped

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By: Bill http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-230296 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:10:34 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-230296 Nazi propaganda! They were nice to the jews at first as well before they began exterminating them!

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By: rezom http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-229494 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:20:46 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-229494 Ukraine welcomed them as liberators,after the holodomor and all the nasty things stalin and lenin caused to them,it would have benn expected,sure it’s propaganda,but i’m also sure that their relationship were not always tense

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By: Bill Ramos http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-229408 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:23:27 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-229408 I just want to add that the Russian soldier and the Russian people are remarkably brave and very tough minded people. In spite of the hardships they endured by the Naziz they managed to accomplish incredible almost super human feats moving whole factories many hundreds of miles away and making excellent weapons to finally kick Hitlers ass all the way back to Berlin. Just look at you simple Mosin Nagant rifle, probobly the best rifle in WW2 with the exception of the M1 Garand, accurate, simple, rugged, can take as much punishemnt as you can give it and ask for more, the T-33 tanks were the same, just like the Russian people. They deserve a lot of credit for their sacrifices during WW2. I happen to admire them very much and I am an American and I love my country very much. This has nothing to do with politics just facts, oh, and by the way they have extremly good looking women to boot!

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By: toto http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-228803 Fri, 15 Feb 2008 03:37:27 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-228803 Hey, i’m from Hungary and i’ve heard many stories about WW2. The Germans behaved really humanly. At least in here. And to Hungarians. Of course they captured the jews and put them on railway cars, but who cares? There ‘s never been a decade in the modern history in which they would not have confronted with one nation or other.

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By: John Lennon Groucho Marx http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-228383 Mon, 11 Feb 2008 04:08:03 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-228383 It was a WORLD war. We’ll never sort it all out. Each soldier had an idea in their own mind as to what they were fighting for. If they kept it simple, they’d have the strength to go on and perhaps survive. If they started thinking about every paradox, irony, falsehood, lie, motivation, etc., they’d become as mad as the idea of war.

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By: Elkman http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-227803 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:57:09 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-227803 Baltic Wolf, sorry for the late reply.
As you have written so much about the treaty with Lithuania, I would dare to assume you are Lithuanian. In view of the monuments Lithuania is the most decent Baltic State as compared to Latvia and Estonia. As concerns your question, I quote: “Why should i keep monument which symbolizes occupation, oppresions, genocide to me?” If new monuments are being opened to Nazis in the Baltic States, isn’t it “blowing for national socialism”?

1) You can find below some facts:

a) 07 Oct 36 12:00 Soviet frontiersman Spirin was badly wounded by the shot from finnish side near frontier marker No. 162 during regular perambulation and died soon. Negotiation of this incident continued up to Nov 1937. The finns tried to reject their fault, however eventually admitted it and even paid some compensation to Spirins family.

b) 27 Oct 36 10:00 two shots from finnish side to the kolkhoz chairman Kolikhmanen.

c) 29 Oct 36 13:30 on the finnish bank of river Sestra, close to frontier marker No. 73 two finns were aiming with a rifle at soviet soldiers Mashin and Martynov. Siviet soldiers noticed that and lied on the ground, after which finns left to the frontier marker No. 74.

d) 30 Oct 36 17:00 four rifle shots by finnish frontiersmen into the house and household block located at the northern boundary of kolkhoz. With the note d.d. 10 Nov 36 finnish MFA rejected b, c & d.

e) 09 Dec 36 15:00 close to frontier markers Nos. 439, 440, to shots were made from finnish side into Soviet guards. One of the bullets passed close to head of frontiersman Galjuk. Conversation of two men in finnish language could have been heard after the shots.

f) 12 Dec 36 close to frontier mrker No. 66 finns shot into soviet guards. Bullet was found on soviet territory. Finns admitted e & f.

g) 17 Dec 37 12:30 two finnish soldiers were shooting into soviet guards near frontier marker No. 690. Bullets passed over their heads.

h) 21 Jan 38 9:20 two finnish frontiersmen trespassed soviet frontier near frontier marker No. 191. Soviet guards tried to arrest them, but finns maintained armed resistance. As the result, one of the finns was badly wounded.

There are also some facts of trespassing in the air and on water admitted by finns. Shall I describe them?

2) Ive got your point regarding treaties with the Baltic States.

In fact, the clause regarding RA-bases was introduced from the very beginning, however Lithuanians hoped to avoid it by counter-proposing close military relationship instead of that. Attitude of Moscow at the next round of negotiations was: either you accept or Vilnius goes to Belorussia. I assume that Lithuanins might have not been insistent enough in that situation as they really wanted to get Vilnius and Vilenskaya Region. This was an artful bait by Soviets, and Lithuanian government eventually swallowed it. Anyway, Lithuanian government made their choice and put the signature. Regarding statement of Lithuanian MFA, I tried to find confirmation of such dialog, and the only reference I found was in the book of Bunich Thunderstorm. If this is your source, please, burn it. If not, please, give me the reference as it is interesting for me.

Your Stage 2 a consequence of your Stage 1. We can dispute for a long time whether this attack on RA-crew was faked or not, we will hardly find out. But my opinion remains that Lithuania was not occupied but legally joined to USSR.

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By: aom http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-227733 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:44:23 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-227733 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZEfHEa_jas
Movie of that parade. Ironically, the Soviet general who shook hands with the German one, later on became famous for his fight against Germans.

That’s politics.

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By: aom http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-227732 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:33:21 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-227732 Wow, what a funny discussion…
I am Polish.
I suspect these photos were made for propaganda purposes. Some of them might be acted (e.g. throwing stones at Lenin).
But your discussion is far too emotional. I mean all of you. The Polish guy, Rafal, as well.

It is a fact that in some parts of USSR the nazis were welcomed. Many people in Ukraine, Baltic republics, Caucasus hoped that Hitler liberate them from Stalin. The hope was false, as it turned out later.

But, on the other hand, is it wise to call these Ukrainians, Balts, Chechens and others – “nazis”? I would not say so.

Because then how would you call Soviet citizens cooperating with Hitler BEFORE the war? Do you know what I mean? Yes, before WWII USSR developed a broad cooperation with Hitler’s Germany. Hitler sold military equipment to USSR, whereas USSR sold raw materials to Germany. Moreover, USSR let German troops do maneuvers on military training grounds located in the Soviet territory. (The Treaty of Versailles put strong restrictions on military development of Germany and this cooperation was a workaround).

Not to speak of the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact. In 1939, there was a common Soviet-German military parade in Brest. Brest was a Polish town captured by Germans and then given to Soviets according the pact.
http://www.charonboat.com/cgi-bin/ItemView.cgi?id=142

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By: D http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-227702 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 23:17:11 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-227702 You can disagree with the point of view of a russian and it will be fine, the problem comes in when these views threaten a russian. And we stand up for ourselves and our views too.

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By: CCCP sux http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-227511 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:30:35 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-227511 Soviets were Nazi collaborators till June 1941.

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By: Twister http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-227508 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:24:21 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-227508 Yes, I remember reading about it in nineties.

I remember USA ejection seats having problems with pilots losing limbs during ejection. Soviet seats had solved this issue long ago by introducing small shields rising at the sides of the seat to prevent arms and legs from flapping around.

Shocking!

Soviet military technology was advanced, exactly in a way that it was simplistic and rugged. The problem was with all of the rest – beginning from home appliances and ending with food, clothes and music.

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By: John from Kansas http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-227280 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:02:05 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-227280 Yes, the torture and execution of prisoners of war is immoral. The indiscriminate killing of non-combatants is also immoral. Land mines do not differentiate between soldiers and civilians.

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By: fromukrainewithlove http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-227279 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:55:21 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-227279 why the author say russians don’t wnat to see these pictures because it would be like our grandfathers didn’t fight for a better future??? Hitler wanted to kill all slavs, if it weren’t for our grandfathers even USA would be speaking either japanese either german this day.

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By: Mixas http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-227264 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:08:08 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-227264 the most predictable war – nuclear… put a blanket over your head and crawl to the nearest graveyard.

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By: Mixas http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-227263 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:59:02 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-227263 http:// en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Come_and_see

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By: Mixas http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-227261 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:36:29 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-227261 You might want to watch idi i smotri (come and see) – helps a lot in choosing sides

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By: Mixas http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-227260 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:29:44 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-227260 executing pow is immoral… killing as many of enemy soldiers as possible is war… no one can change that.

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By: Mixas http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-227257 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:52:01 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-227257 I’ve heard here in the US on discovery channel or smth like that that US adopted design of the ejectionseat from russia they had no chance of making anything as effective.

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By: Elkman http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-227255 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:33:16 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-227255 Actually I do not believe that any one can convince any forum opponent that his/her point of view is wrong. So in this context all these forum disputes are useless as they never change opinions… Now we have the same…
All the best.

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By: Mixas http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-227253 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:52:54 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-227253 Gebbels would be proud of you my dear german friend…

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By: Kostya http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-227234 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 00:41:48 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-227234 I guess your comment applies to all Russians, I think most of them are still pretty hostile towards Germans so why don’t you eradicate them all and because they are causing pain to you if you think about it. (Wait dude, Russia is in a economic mess and the origins are still seen from the WW2, for example you can still see how there are many more women in Russia than men because about 8 million more women died in WW2) The German nation is trying to restore peace and order but… there are just too many Russians that show resentment towards them (Dude, not really, if you ask a Russian person what they think of a German, they will probably say in return ‘Hitler Kaput’ but that’s about it, i personally don’t hear people talking about hate when they talk about Germans. Wait, just a small thing to say ‘Germans living peacefully together with the others?’ – and I know mate that it is true right now but there will have to be hundreds more years to pass in order for people to think ‘Hmm yes, the Germans have been peaceful judging by the history compared to other nations’ (A funny thing, one of my relatives is German ethnically but he was born in Russia before WW2, he was then moved to central asian part of USSR in fear of collaborating with the invading Germans) He lived in central asia which was largely russian, and finally moved to Germany with his family but there he is too old to learn German, so he doesn’t speak to Germans, he only speaks to russian speakers, isn’t that odd?)

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By: talking beaver http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-227167 Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:09:27 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-227167 Aside from absurd “anything bad that happened to people happened to the soviets themselves too”, check your facts!

Your phrase “the soviets newer invaded before the WW2 for a world domination, they wanted to be left alone and not bother anyone too much” is just plain wrong. They invaded A LOT of countries and even were expelled from the League of Nations for being an AGGRESSOR!

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By: INDIAN http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-227165 Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:57:36 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-227165 That anti land mine treaty is a farce.
Thirty-seven states, including the People’s Republic of China, India, Russia and the United States, are not party to the Convention.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottawa_Treaty

Pakistan has not signed it as well. New Zealand has but New Zealand does not have neighbours.

http://archive.calm.org.nz/news/News_Nov97.html talks about Boris Yeltsin thinking of signing the treaty.

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By: talking beaver http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-227148 Sat, 26 Jan 2008 02:09:10 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-227148 There is a saying – “When you look into the abyss, the abyss looks back into you”.

It is terrible that you do not even realize that your blinding hatred has turned you yourself into THAT which you seem to hate so much.

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By: talking beaver http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-227147 Sat, 26 Jan 2008 02:03:13 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-227147 There is a saying – “When you look into the abyss, the abyss looks back into you”.

It is terrible that you do not even realize that your blinding hatred has turned you yourself into THAT which you seem to hate so much.

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By: talking beaver http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-227146 Sat, 26 Jan 2008 01:21:10 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-227146 I find your views mostly unacceptable and factually unsound, but I appreciate your serenity and frankness (as compared to the other types here like Boris Abramov / Justin etc.).

So I wish you a nice day!

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By: KanuTaH http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-227120 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:36:56 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-227120 Yes the Soviet occupation was indeed just as bad, no no common, even worse yes more than the nazis killed, more than 35 million died from the evil soviet occupation (not…). That is almost all of those who I am qoting you “have perieshed in europe” were the soviets themselves before WW2. The country lost 25 million during the german occupation, and was in complete destruction, wealthy and isolated from troubles america was on its way to dominate the world with the atomic bomb, the soviets newer invaded before the WW2 for a world domination, they wanted to be left alone and not bother anyone too much. After WW2 soviet union had to occupy those countries otherwise there would be too much imbalance in power. Estonians as far as I know didn’t resist the Germans that much. While the nazis exterminated other europeans, under a soviet occupation the soviets didnt do that, anything bad that happened to people happened to the soviets themselves too.

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By: Justin http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-227070 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 01:51:50 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-227070 Wow, talking beaver is talking about provocation. Now isnt that ironic when almost every post that talking beaver and his aliases rafal, baltiiski, Piesces and many others post are not only provocative, but are in fact blaintantly racist, xenophobic, anti-Semitic and just plain hatful.

Just for laughs, beaver, can you give me just ONE example of where I have been provoking people? Just ONE – I challenge you. I, on the other hand, can give you dozens of example (many again made by your aliases) which are not only provocative, but are in fact very dangerous, – rants which in many countries would fall under Hate Crimes.

1. Again beaver, your or rafals comments have nothing to do with provocation, but have everything to do with your dangerous mindset. Sadly, you are not the only Balt with such a mindset. From my observations during my travels I have noticed that in fact the majority of Baltic population hold such nationalist, racist, neo-Nazi views. Again, that doesnt really surprise me. If we think about the level of nationalist in the Baltic media, combined with the neo-Fascist actions of the Baltic governments, I am not surprised that such a great proportion of Balts hold such distorted and hatful world view.

2. As of second comment, look into the history of this site

Beaver, be a man for ones in your life and admit to your own words. Or are you worried that it would tarnish your reputation? Well, beaver, never fear, it has been tarnished a long time ago by all your other racist comments.

The most important issue to consider, whether you deny your comment or not, is that your message got across Estonia 4 Estonians, Russians and Jews out and lets face it, getting that message across was your main objective.

And this is my message to you Beaver: You are a Catholic, right? Read the Bible more often! See how many people who you worship are in fact Jews. Yes, thats the same Jews that you want out of Estonia.

Shame on you anti-Semite Christians

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By: Nick http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-227036 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:24:09 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-227036 I think most of you guys are just plain rude, and are behaving like allmost mature kids who do have education but don’t know how to deal with people who have other educations and life-experiences when i look at those first fifty-somthing entries.

you have to understand that not all germans were bad or good, not all russians were bad or good, and that’s the same for the united states and the united kingdom or any country that was in a war a that time.

i think there are no traitors to country, that doesn’t exist to me, their can only be traitors to good and evil. you only have the power till your death to do what you know is good for the world entire. if you look at history and at every bad thing some person has done bad in his life,you shold interpret it as if you were that person and how you would think or feel if you were in some situation to have better understandings of what happens. It is only the fact that we are so proud of our country’s that if anyone from a certain country, region or even town would do something awfull to one of your relatives, that person would feel all anger coming up against people from there. but everything fades in time, and that goes for hate and love too.,

I don’t think any country or person has to be excused for what he might have done in his life, but i do not think that everybody had to be put in the same pot.

I am from belgium, you might know us from the battle of the ardennes. all of my great grand fathers were killed during the second world war because they were in the resistence and someone tipped them of. I do feel it is an unfair and cruel thing to do but I just don’t feel hate for the germans now. It is only those who are extreme of mind, who get extremist thaughts (either left winged ot right winged) who dig back in history to have us fight and never see that a true friendship CAN exist amongst people.

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By: talking beaver http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-226965 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 02:12:11 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-226965 Quote re. aforementioned:

“Cognitive dissonance is often associated with the tendency for people to resist information that they don’t want to think about, because if they did it would create cognitive dissonance, and perhaps require them to act in ways that depart from their comfortable habits. They usually have at least partial awareness of the information, without having moved to full acceptance of it, and are thus in a state of denial about it.”

Fits perfectly!

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By: talking beaver http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-226964 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:59:45 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-226964 You see, actually what we are dealing with is what is called “Cognitive Dissonance” in psychology.

People are wiling to find wildest excuses for why what they have done are are doing is good, to save themselves from stress. If they do not adjust their actions, they have to adjust their attitude. This actually is a self-defense mechanism, or otherwise they may break their psyche.

In fact we have to pity Russians, because if they will open their eyes and mind, they will start screaming in horror and will burst in tears, realizing who they actually have been and still are. As they partially are aware of that, but do not want to admit it to anyone including themselves, they are so hard clinging to the Communist/Stalinist ideology/Myth which has replaced reality for them.

Russian president Putin clearly proved this by stating in his address to the Nation a while ago, that he
“refuses to admit that several generations of his people have lived in vain”
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This is the answer!

To admit that they have lived in vain or even served Evil is too painful. So let’s not admit! Let’s go on with self-hypnosis of how wonderful we are and have always been, and make anyone who doubts it suffer.

While the fact, that Putin mentioned this, proves that they actually are aware of this problem, but are making conscious effort to not see it.

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By: Elkman http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-226931 Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:45:34 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-226931 That is perferct if nobody here really thinks that Nazi was good… However there is a lot of such all around the world, in particular, in Ukraine and Baltic States.

1) Friends? I’m not sure. But the partners – yes as two outlawas among “civilized capitalistic countries”.
2) Everybody consideres this as sharing Europe. While USSR took back the territories taken away from them during Civil War and Intervention in 1918-1920.
3) In that particular war (Great Patriotic War and even WWII) USSR was a victim… an innocent victim. If we recall all previous wars and attacks we would hardly find any innocent country (even Finland by the way).
4) Sounds like Hitler said: “If a thief had stolen your money and you took this money back from him, would you become a thief too?” I believe there can be no questions who was right and who was wrong in that war.

I have read so much about the Winter War (1939-1940) and about bombing Helsinki in particular. I’m not justifying civilians dead, however it was fault of finnish government that the Winter War had started. Their behaviour was much more aggressive and they made no steps to resolve the issues peacefully, while the USSR did.

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By: Baltic Wolf http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-226930 Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:30:16 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-226930 Paradoxically, russian nation which suffered considerable losses during creation of so called utopian socialism, still tries to defend and rationalize actions of the system. Actually, its a mark of ideal soviet propaganda machine, which remains integrated in modern infrastructures even now.
Here in Lithuania, same contra-arguments are being repeated constantly. Obviously, nothing is going to change from russian positons, especially now, when a new search for a place under the sun, after loosing the cold war, have started – denial of occupation, denial of genocide, denial of harm of communist regime
Everyone in post-soviet countries, who refuses to worship the cult of “liberators” are identified as nazis… We have allready seen the consequences in Estonia.

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By: Texas1 http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-226914 Wed, 23 Jan 2008 05:59:15 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-226914 True, you know there is a problem when your leader suddenly becomes the riches many in Europe.

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By: talking beaver http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-226906 Wed, 23 Jan 2008 02:35:29 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-226906 Well, well. That is a pity of course. (And no one here seriously says that Nazis were good, make that clear.)

While still it would be appropriate to remember, that:

– Nazis till the very early morning of the day of attack very Friends and Partners of Your country.

– Until the very latest moment Soviets helped and supported Nazis, even shared the Europe between them

– USSR was not innocent victim. It had itself attacked many countries before that. And even kicked out of League of Nations for doing so!

– Soviets in parallel with Nazis leveled towns and cities by artillery fire and areal bombardment, so that here was not a chimney standing. Who destroyed more cities remains to be answered.

For a change, why don’t you go and read about Soviet bombing of Helsinki in 1939, for example.

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By: talking beaver http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-226903 Wed, 23 Jan 2008 02:19:18 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-226903 I was just passing by, so even though I do not consider your comment worth of commenting, I will say this just for sake of correctness:

– As of first comment, see poster’s reply above. Due to your constant provocations you naturally do get emotional responses from people. What else would you expect? Love? Sooner you get a conditioned reflex of people throwing up at your sight. Anyway it seems to be your goal to provoke. So nothing to make fuss about, really. You got what you wanted.

– As of second comment, look into the history of this site. The comment was faked, most likely by yourself, to discredit the poster and use it as an argument to your own political advantage. Dirty game. Was that the way you were taught to construct cases? Very skilled move, my compliments!

And a very personal message: F#ck you, vermin!

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By: Piesces http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-226902 Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:53:54 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-226902 Perfect insight! :)

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By: Greetings from Finland http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-226891 Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:43:51 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-226891 This time Russia is run by fascists far more dangerous than the nazis in Germany ever were. You people just can’t seem to be able to live without a cruel dictator in power.

Estonia is a perfect example of a country that is now thriving thanks to not being controlled by the Russian imperialists anymore.

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By: maxD http://englishrussia.com/2008/01/18/russia-under-nazis-during-ww2/#comment-226879 Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:33:19 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1736#comment-226879 In itself it should be harmless, but it is not.

Like I put it, for many people this ‘pride’ starts being a goal in itself. Turns into us-against-them way of thinking.

Something to identify with, nothing wrong there. But more often than not it starts derailing. Blocks introspection, as is often seen in the comments here. Being born Russian or Dutch or Danish, you can identify with it, but actually, in itself there is nothing to be proud of. It is not an accomplishment, is it ? It just happened.

My point is : be constructive, create something which is really your accomplishment. A career, a home-build boat, volunteer work, raising your kid, whatever. Now that is something to be proud of. That is something others can live up to. Being a Manchester United fan or being a Jew: not really. It is just a label.

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