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96 Soviet Era Victims Museum

Soviet Era Victims Museum

Posted on November 4, 2007 by


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This is a strange monument complex in one of Russian parks. In the center of this complex there are different monuments from the Soviet Era stand, collected from different communist party locations and around it there is a stone storage for hundreds of stone heads looking from out of the bars at those communist art examples with despair. The Stalin statue by the way is already without a nose.

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96 Responses to “Soviet Era Victims Museum”

  1. Bullwinkle says:

    Ronald Regan destroyed Soviet Regime with cold war.

    • Chipo says:

      @Bullwinkle: And who taught you history? The Ku Klux Klan?

    • Steam McQueen says:

      A hard truth, but a truth nonetheless: Ronnie Ray-Gun simply outspent the USSR.

      It is my personal opinion that the policies of the United States ultimately did more damage to the people of the Soviet Union than the flawed economics of communism ever did.

      And that’s all I have to say about that.

      • Visitor says:

        That’s an interesting assertion. I’d love to see some specific cause-and-effect examples. How did the US harm the Russian people more than the USSR? For example–Did the US disrupt the collective planning and production of food, goods, and services inside the USSR, and force the people to stand in line and hope to get enough food, or a pair of shoes or boots for the winter? Did the US build the gulags in Siberia, or Lefortovo? Did US soldiers or secret police round up Russian citizens and put them in jail? Did the US shut down all opposition newspapers, TV, and radio stations inside the USSR?

        There’s no doubt the US and USSR waged political, covert, and proxy wars against each other, but that is the way world powers with opposing philosophies of governance and economics operate, at least since historians began to record the acts of kingdoms, empires, and/or nations. That doesn’t mean the PEOPLE of any country are inherently good or evil.

        I think I understand the frustration that drove the Bolshevik revolution, and the desire of many Russian people to throw off the old way of autocratic governance by the Tsar. I think I understand their dream of a new world where everyone would contribute, and everyone would benefit.

        Sadly it didn’t work out that way because, in my opinion, the “fatal flaw” of communism refused to recognize, or adequately accommodate, many aspects of our human nature (it was too “scientific”).

        That doesn’t mean it wasn’t worth a try, considering the context of time and circumstances of the Russian people. However, too many of the people at the top of the USSR system either failed in their duty, or in their effort to overcome all the obstacles to central government.

        The fact that the US, GB, and other countries opposed communism doesn’t make them responsible for the inherent problems of communism or central governance.

        I’ve been to Russia (and other former Soviet republics). I admire the spirit and resilience of the Russian people. I still consider some of the people I met there to be my friends. I like Russian history and culture enough that I plan to go back and spend more time there.

        However, statements like yours do nothing to advance the understanding of, or cooperation between, the people of Russia and the US (or other countries).

        Please, be specific. I am always interested in new facts, so that I may change my view when necessary.

        • Pete says:

          very well written!

        • Steam McQueen says:

          Extremely well written. Nice to see some intelligent postings here.

          My comment was directed toward the way the USSR had to direct virtually all of it’s resources to keeping up with the arms race – at the expense of everything else.

          The atrocities that you (correctly) listed were not brought on by the U.S.. Russians, as I have learned from living with them do not hold human rights in high regard. People, like just about everything else are expendable.

          Does this mean that the CIA skunkworks had nothing to do with creating problems in food production and distribution? It would be easy to say yes and perhaps there was some meddling but without any hard evidence I really can’t comment on whether or not it happened.

          Would things have been different if the USSR didn’t have to spend itself into oblivion to keep up the U.S.? Can anyone really say?

          Maybe I am the one who should re-think his opinon…

          • too much vodka says:

            Most serious scholars don’t follow the theory that the US brought down the USSR with a renewed arms race. If you want a good book on the topic, I’d recommend “Collapse of an Empire” by Yegor Gaidar, one of Yeltsin’s prime ministers. He analyses the several causes, and acording to him, “loosing the Cold War” was only a minor contributor in the demise of the USSR.

        • talking beaver says:

          Do you know, that actually there were TWO revolutions?

          Do you know that?

          The first one was a democratic revolution which overthrew the Tzar and established a REALLY democratic provisional government.

          The OTHER one, which followed the first one with few months interval, was not called a revolution at all at first. It was a Bolshevik coup against the provisional government. And that was how Bolsheviks themselves called it in the beginning.

          So, actually, it was not the Bolsheviks who fought for freedom in Russia. Bolsheviks actually fought AGAINST freedom and democracy from the very beginning.

          • Marina says:

            You are correct.

          • Visitor says:

            Yes, I know there was a provisional, non-Bolshevik government immediately following abdication of the Tsar (Karensky?), and there were several groups competing for power, and there was a series of battles and struggles that lasted for years before the Bolsheviks gained a strong foothold in the country. I understand not everyone was a Bolshevik, and not everyone wanted them in power.

            I only mentioned revolution in general terms so as not to stray too far from my main point.

            Still, I realize “history” is often only a few facts wrapped in a package of perceptions, and the package I received during my education is probably not the same as the original Russian version. So, I appreciate any input from other people on these subjects, especially from Russians or people who lived there for any length of time.

            Thanks.

            • talking beaver says:

              you are right. :)

              I just wanted to point out his curious two-revolution fact which mostly is overlooked and unknown to the most of the people.

          • turtlesoviet says:

            How can the first one be ‘REALLY democratic provisional government’ if it did nothing in favor of the people?

            Continuing war, siding with the few rich ones, and so on?

        • John P. says:

          I must agree, very well written.

          John from the USA

  2. lynne says:

    Very interesting pictures.The stones behind wire are like Gabian Baskets that hold up the sides of some major roads in the UK.

  3. Visitor says:

    Very interesting. Does anyone know if it is near Moscow, or another city?

    • Matt says:

      It is in moscow, in the “Park of culture” near the Moscow River. It’s across the road from Gorky park. It’ quite an interesting place. Near by is the monsterous and awful stature of peter the great/Columbus and the Krasnaya Octyaber candy factory.

  4. John from Kansas says:

    A powerful statement.

  5. chicken says:

    I love the faces behind the metal stuff

  6. 7 mile Detroit Killaz! says:

    I want those metal hammer and cicle world thing.

    How much do those go for?

  7. Visitor says:

    That is a harsh thing to say about an artistic representation of people who suffered so much. Can you please show a little more respect for the Russian people? The gulags, camps, political prisons, etc. were very real. They were not a joke.

  8. Zafarad says:

    Believe it or not,comrade Stalin,is the founder of today’s Russia.after 2nd world war,russia was almost destroyed and not able to survive her existence.but Stalin re organised and made Russia more powerful as before.some propagandists are try to dump Stalin`s great efforts to the good for peoples of CCCP.

    • Marina says:

      Ok, but you can not deny that Stalin was teriblly oppressing russians?

      Yes, some young russians seem to forget history very fast and make a fake image of Stalin of them selves. Or maybe they did not teach in school very well.

      Stalin was the most brutal tyrant of the 20th Century after Hitler. Do not ever forget that children.

      • Richard S. says:

        Funny you should say that. Even Che Guevara is idolized on t-shirts and is popular in the U.S.A. Yep tyrants are idolized.

        • Boris Abramov says:

          I am sorry, are you by any chance implying that Che Guevara was a tyrant, or worse, you have the nerve to compare him with Stalin?

          In which case I want to ask you few questions before I will start explaining how deluded and offensive(to the people of cuba) you sound.

          1) Define a tyrant.

          2) Define a revolutionary.

          3) Have you ever visited Cuba?

          4) Do you by any chance live in the US?

          5) Do you live in Miami?

          6) Do you associate with Miami Cuban comunity a.k.a the Cuban Mafia?

          7) Did you know anything about Cuban History?

          8) Who was Che Guevara?

          9) Who was Batista?

          10) If you are familiar with Che what makes him so diferent from George Washington or Alexander Hamilton?

          • Visitor says:

            Boris, I have read a number of your posts and I respect your intelligence and point of view. However, you have successfully cast the bait here, and I will take it. :)

            I am in a hurry so I will only try to answer No. 10 now.

            The difference in Che and Washington or Hamilton is that Che knew only how to talk, tear down, and destroy, whereas Washington and Hamilton, after playing key roles in driving the British from power in the new USA, played key leadership roles in the development of a new, powerful nation and economy.

            Che was, by all accounts I’ve read/heard, an eloquent revolutionary speaker and a brave fighter. I give him credit for that. However, talking and fighting are not the same as developing a productive system of governance, and managing that system.

            After Castro took power and the responsibility of governance, he appointed Che governor of the Cuban central bank and minister of industry. When faced with the responsibility of managing a complex system that would not respond to revolutionary rhetoric or “sexy” Latin charm, Che failed. His biggest recorded accompishment was coaxing people into working as “volunteers.” Even Castro, now faced with the responsibility of creating, building and managing a self-sustaining system, rather than attacking and destroying the old system, grew tired of Che and Che’s incompetence as a manager.

            Washington, on the other hand, presided over the birth and early development of what has been one of the most successful forms of government in the modern age, like it or not. When offered the opportunity to be crowned “king” of America, he declined (unlike Castro, who feels that, out of millions of Cubans, only he and his brother are smart enough to manage the affairs of the country).

            Hamilton, in stark contrast to Che’s failed tenure as head of the Cuban banking system, conceived of and founded the national treasury and banking system that became a key part of the bedrock of the American economy and American economic development, which, again, like it or not, has been fairly successful, and has allowed for a pretty decent standard of living and opportunity for even the most ungrateful Americans throughout most of our history.

            The difference, as you asked, is the difference between revolutionary rhetoric (Che), and revolutionary results (Washington and Hamilton).

            • Boris Abramov says:

              Hello Visitor.

              Thank you for your interesting comment. It is certainly very informative and proves that you do, in fact, know what you are talking about as opposed to some “visitors” who flog to this site.

              But on the whole, and I hope you agree with me, you didnt answer the question in its original context, which was: “are you by any chance implying that Che Guevara was a tyrant, or worse, you have the nerve to compare him with Stalin?” Asking that question I was expecting to hear a more cognitive reply. In effect, I was asking “what makes you think that Che was a tyrant?” Nevertheless thank you for your post.

              But just to slightly touch on one issue that you have raised, – Yes, I do have to agree with you, Che was not a great strategist nether was he good at developing productive system of governance. This simply was not what he was intended for.

              What Che was, was a simple medical student who fell in love with Cuba and its people (just as I have from my first visit). Che was more of a Theorist a Rationalist rather then a Pragmatist. Having said that, most of his actions were governed by passion and emotion, which are not typical traits of a Rationalist. He was much better at inspiring rather then convincing. And Inspire he did!

              He inspired people with his devotion, emotion, love and most importantly, HONESTY a virtue totally instinct in todays western politics, but still very much alive in Castro’s speeches and interviews. If you ask me, he did exactly what his born to do be one of the people and live for the people.

              Viva Che!

              • Visitor says:

                Boris,
                You are correct – I did not respond to the original question. I don’t know about the original poster’s opinion, but my intent was not to compare Che to Stalin. I only wanted to have a little fun with the last comment in your list (#10).

                I think you make some good points. However, since you visited Cuba, I have to ask–is your love of Cuba shaped more by politics, or by the Cuban women? :)

                • Boris Abramov says:

                  I would be lying if I said cuban women were not a part of it :) But in general my love for Cuba was shaped not so much by politics, but by wonderful cuban people.

        • Bullwinkle says:

          Say what? Where do you see such t-shirt?

        • Marina says:

          I can not see any connection with Stalin and Guevara.

      • Zafarad says:

        Dear,Marina!i think seriously,you are right someway.but killings at the name of patriotism is not just the tactic of communists.Americans,Britishers,Germans and other colonial powers had done their own styled cleansing of their peoples.may be Stalin was so crude and straight forward in “fixing up”their comrades but the final aim and goal was the same as other nationalist leaders,building more strong and powerful his country and peoples.can someone give me some clues about each US led involvement in each war and conflict?past and present US governments killed millions of lower class youths and poor citizens of U S A ! ! ! ! !in the name of patriotism and nationalism.but no one pointing towards US war crimes and genocide against humanity.because they won every war,and winner can`t be wrong! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !.and finally no school in the world can teach and give the understanding of “true history” but the instinct of the student…………..

        • Marina says:

          I do not really understand, Sorry. But I think you try to compare the the opressive history of USA to the opressive history of USSR, am I correct? Buy that case I will use good english phrase “two Wrongs do not make a Right”.

          Just becasue Stain was better then Hitler, this do not make him a Saint.

    • Tim says:

      Dear Zafared, you shouldn’t pretend like your any good at this history stuff. Stalin killed more russians than Hitler and you are saying he was the one that made Russia more powerful? Nonsense he simply sacrificed everyone for his goals and beat and tortured the population into submission after starving and murdering them for years. Did anyone ever tell you why it was so easy for Hitler to attack Russia? How many military officers Stalin had killed or exiled because he was paranoid? How he dismantled the army because he didn’t trust them?

      Or do you even know about Stalin’s pact with Hitler? did they leave that out of your books?

      This is the most moving tribute I have ever seen to his victims and I’m glad I was able to see it.

      • Zafarad says:

        “Regulate thine own passions and bear those of others”.i do appreciate your point of view but the problem is that you never answered my simple questions.either you delibratly ignored because of my strong questions.yes i do knew about the pact between the Nazi Germany and Stalin`s regime.but that is totally irrelevant to our discussion.Stalin may be so cruel and barbaric(according to some peoples)but Americans killed millions of civilians in Vietnam,Laos,Iraq.,Afghanistan and in secret missions done by CIA.where are so called “liberals,socialactivests,civil society voices?i think the problem is that almost every commodity yes i mean commodity is commercialise and in the hand of some corporate giants.even they decides what to tell and what to do,so think beyond the box and learn about the true history.”we are all nude in our own cloths”.

  9. Marina says:

    I have hear of this place very much but never had the time to visit. I want to visit it next week.

    I think this kind of place should be build in all 15 USSR countries to honor all the people who had dificalt lives during the the most brutal years of the Soviet Regime. But in doing so we should try not to encourage nationalism as now display in the Baltics. For this we need to find a very thin balance.

    • Boris Abramov says:

      Yes, that is a very good idea Marina. But I think we should pass on Batic States, dont you. This palce will be turned into a pilgrimitch for all the racists and nazis and would encourage yet more assaults on the minorites, which might more or less overshadow the whole idea behind this museum.

      • Marina says:

        That is true. But remember the Batics suffered probably the same as Russians during the Soviet regime. They should have the same privilege.

    • John from Kansas says:

      Marina,
      If you do visit, Please tell us of your impressions. The Soviet era monumentalized figure of Stalin surrounded by the haunting faces is the most significant work of new Russian art I have yet seen. I would like to know the name of the artist(s).

  10. Pius Thicknesse says:

    Wow. The third picture down in particular, with Stalin standing in the center of all those faces in cages, is a very vivid reminder of what he did to the USSR.

  11. Boris Abramov says:

    That was in a truly bad taste T1. You disappoint me.

  12. Boris Abramov says:

    I think the current US dictator is enough.

  13. lynne says:

    Ignited by Johns query as to the artist of this piece Ive been looking for an answer,It is indeed a memorial to the victims of Stalins Purges.However I can find no mention of a particular artist so it may have been bought about by a symposium or collective.The only name I could find,seemingly .attatched to the sculpture was Chubarov,possibly Evigny?

    • John from Kansas says:

      lynne,
      Have you found links concerning this work?

      • lynne says:

        Not really John,the nearest I got was a travel blog which had very minimal information .There seems to be very little written about any of the contemporary works in the park,more paragraph space explaining that the old statues needed to be housed somewhere.A lot of the catalogues of new works of sculpture in Moscow are in Russian,so I’ve missed something somewhere.However,I did see the name Chubarov mentioned on the same page as a photo of the caged heads,and as I believe that Evigny Chubarov served an apprenticeship to a sculptor…I know ,its an assumption and one should never assume but…I’m wittering on here aren’t I?So John,the answer to your question is no,I have found no solid links regarding the creator of this particular piece.Sorry.

  14. PiticStyle says:

    Beautiful! I like when people have respect! (Offpost: my capcha is VODKA :), Russia – vodka)

  15. Bullwinkle says:

    This is Bullwinkle impersonator.

  16. Bullwinkle says:

    This reminds me of such glory day when Ronald Reagan and George Bush defeated Soviet Union in Cold War. Magnificent. Bravo.

    • Visitor says:

      Boris, or anyone else who knows,

      What do the older Russians who remember the Great Patriotic War think when they see Russian youths giving a Nazi salute?

      When I consider the history of the war, from the German attack of Russia until the Soviet occupation of Berlin, it makes it hard for me to believe the rise of Nazism, or the modern equivalent, in Russia. I know it is true, but still, it must be hard for the few survivors of Stalingrad, or the sieges of Moscow and Leningrad, to watch.

      • Boris Abramov says:

        Thay are Outraged and greatly saddened. Just as old Russian and Jewish minorites are form seeing the revival of fascism in the Baltic States.

        What is happening is very sad to many people not just me and older generation. The SS monument in Estonia is the worst imaginable spit in the face of the Holocaust survivors.

        However, what troubles me even more, is that hippocrates in Brussels are still closing their eyes to these atrocities.

        What sort of world do we live in?

        • talking beaver says:

          LOL! :)

          Here poor Boris Abramov drifts away to Estonia again.

          I just wonder how any conversation with Boris, especially on Russia, always ends up with cursing Estonia.

          That is really something!!! 8)

          P.S. Do you have in your kitchen a sign written in blood all over the wall – “Die, Estonia!!! Die!!! Laces out!!!”

          :)

          • Marina says:

            I think he has seen many bad some bad things in that country. He say he has some friends and family in his previus comments. Maybe they are treated badly? How would you feel if you relatives were treated badly in Russia?

            There is always a reason. Do not jump to conclusion.

            • talking beaver says:

              Oh yes. Maybe. Maybe this and maybe that. “He says…” – he says a lot. And there are not so many “things” to see in “that country” to justify this.

              Sure, there is always a reason. I just wonder what it is this time. And is it to do with politics or medicine.

              • Boris Abramov says:

                I would like to take this opportunity and inform the newcomers to this site of what sort of person Talking Beaver really is.

                Talking Beaver is an extremist Estonian nationalist, the same kind we saw giving a nazi salute to the SS monument and throwing red paint over the statue of the Bronze Solder. This person frequently changes his/her screen name in order project his hateful massage after people gain an understanding for what he/she really is.

                His/her first screen name was “hsk”. After making numerous racist and anti-Semitic statements (which included the denial of Holocaust) he was forced to change his name to “Ornoxus” because public opinion on this site has turned against him. Being Ornoxus that person carried on spreading his hateful message which mainlly included attackS on estonian minorities. His last massage as Ornoxus was this: “Estonia for Rstonians – Russians and Jews out”. Of course, most normal people were outraged with such a stament of hate, but again Ornoxus was gone never to be seen again.

                And then Talking Beaver and his new made up friend “Hunnu” comes along, and guess what? – the content of their statements still remain pretty much the same. However this time he/she is more devious and on some occasions this person actually makes some informative comments to slightly divert attention from his/her main objective.

                However, even now, if you analise the content of his/her statments, they still very much lead to him humiliating minorities, russian culture, russin people and defending the atrocities committed by Estonian government.

                My advice is not to engage in any verbal exchange with this person, because in doing so, you will encourage more racist and xenophobic propaganda from him.

                • Sifter says:

                  B.Abramov is right, t.beaver’s changin name habit mean that he is probably running this Blog, reminds me of the comments column in moscownews.ru at the beginning of Irak war where a certain john had the same habit, I discovered later that he was leading the comments column from his computer in Pittsburg US and that american funds was “helping” this supposedly Russian media

                • Sifter says:

                  B.Abramov is right,/////t.beaver’s name changing habit means that he is probably runnin this communism/russia hate blog, reminds me of the alike comments column in moscownews.ru at the beginning of the Irak war where a certain john had the same habit till I discovered that he was runnin the column from his computer in Pittsburg US, and american funds were subsidizin this supposedly “Russian” media, (probably to “help” the next american type “democracy” in russia just like US “helped” the democracy in Venezuela by havin two american officers tryin to assassinate chavez

    • talkin beaver says:

      Of course. I was absolutely sure, that you will manage to stick Estonia in here somehow… :)

    • Marina says:

      This is outrageous!

      Why did Estonian government let this happen? Why do they keep anoying russia like so? Soviet Union is gone, why is still so much nacistic anger in Estonian governmet? Could they be possiblly encouraged to do this by russia’s oponents? Could the USA have something to with it? Could the tactics of the cold war agian be used by America?

      Something not clean is happening in Estonia I think.

      • Boris Abramov says:

        I think you are pretty much on the right lines. To put is simply, as far as the Bush admin is concerned it is now the Cold War, and they are simply taking sides.

      • John from Kansas says:

        The U.S. government is using Estonia as a pawn to discredit Russia in general and Putin in particular.

      • talking beaver says:

        … curious …
        .. I have heard this song before …

        … the mysterious and naive Marina who materialized from nowhere to learn English on englishrussia …

        well, well …

        I would not even be surprised if this is Boris Abramov posing as female.

        :))

        P.S.
        More likely that something “not clean is happening” in your head or underpants, or both.

  17. Zafarad says:

    Please differentiate between good and bad “dictator”.Stalin was very nice and Bush Jr is bad dictator.i think the real difference between two is “style of execution of their plans”.one was used central committee of CPSU and other is brutally use majority votes of the congress! ! ! ! ! ! ! !.

  18. Visitor says:

    Vote for Hillary, and your wish may come true. ;)

    (I’m joking).

  19. Test says:

    Where my post?

  20. Pete says:

    This has got to be THE MOST intelligent discussion EVER on this board.

    What happened?

  21. Texas1 says:

    I am really wanna see female Boris Abramov

  22. Dan says:

    I dunno, maybe the Estonians don’t like Russia, oh, for their 40 years of heavy handed communist rule?

    Putin ain’t much better folks. He’s turning himself into a generalissimo

  23. Huck Finn says:

    Putin continues where Breznev left off… :( come on, Russian people, you _really_ cannot _want_ to be led on a string, can you?

  24. Mr.Tinkles says:

    Oh yeah,I agree on putting Stalin…
    BUT LENIN?!
    TAKE THE LENIN’S STATUE OFF THIS “MUSEUM”
    (and off course it is such one more anti-communism propaganda)

    Stalin,your @#$%&*!!

    • Maria says:

      It is not really the museum of the victims of Stalin. It is the museum of soviet and post-soviet art. That`s why Lenin is there. But, really, in the time of Lenin there were plenty of people destroyed. Perhabs comunism is the great ideal, but october revolution and all that happened after were all blood and pain. The beat of Russisn people were killed and not only the upper class, the best of farmers and workers too.

  25. Dusan Hanza says:

    I was leave in communism and i say : I WILL KILL ALL COMMUNIST ´s

  26. Can someone please tell us the location of this park?

    I would love to visit there if I ever visit Russia.

  27. dancer says:

    It’s impressing how quick the Russians deal with the dark sides of their history. Is it that a whole nation felt victim of a small political elite? I only hope that my dear friend Anatoly`s head is not among.

  28. jorge says:

    the comments are really interesting!

  29. hokker says:

    damn. this picture really sums up the whole world:
    http://englishrussia.com/images/victims_monument/3.jpg

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    Who can stand up to save Chinese?

  31. Chinese says:

    Who can stand up to save Chinese from communist?

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