59 Appartment in Estonia Covered With Ice

Appartment in Estonia Covered With Ice

Posted on February 26, 2007 by


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Estonia is ex-Soviet Russia country, though many citizens of Estonia call this period "occupation". They are called the most successful ex-USSR country. There are even rumors that it would be first ex-Soviet country to participate in USA visa weaver program (that's when the people don't need visa to travel to USA).

So let's see how live people that would soon needn't visa to visit USA live now.


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59 Responses to “Appartment in Estonia Covered With Ice”

  1. 1l1 says:

    No Ocuppation = No Gas
    thats my favourite formula :D
    too bad so many russian ppl left there

  2. Acts_of_Atrocity says:

    This place looks abandoned, even if it`s Estonia. So it means nothing.

  3. hck says:

    omg an abandoned building
    every Estonian lives like this
    englishrussia angry mob ftw :)

  4. deskjet says:

    Yet more commie hate towards Estonia. Get over it, you lost and now estonians are better off than you and you hate it.

    • Acts_of_Atrocity says:

      W00t

    • pld says:

      Wow, Russians are still not getting tired of the Nazi rhetoric. Incredible how the leaders of a huge country be so immature and childish as to wage a name-calling propaganda war against small countries AND the residents of this country be so ignorant as to gulp up this outlandish propaganda and actually post comments like the one above. How can a large nation just writhe in this all-encompassing inferiority complex? Yes, we got rid of your occupation. Yes, we voted for independence. Yes, we joined the EU and NATO, because we wish to be a part of the civilized world, not Neo-USSR. We have progressive, democratric countries with booming economies; and Russians just can’t get over this empire mentality, instead resorting to delirious yelling (nazis, SS, oppressors, little turds who shall be crushed by the Motherland, etc …) and drinking themselves to death. You’ve got to get a grip of reality, guys, because your country is halfway down the drain, and bombing the Estonian embassy with condoms filled with brown paint isn’t going to improve the situation.

      Regarding the pictures, I don’t even see any indication that they’re from Estonia, it could be an abandoned building in Yakutsk for all I know.

      • firsak says:

        There is no any propaganda. It is your small yaffing country that provokes all those public sentiments against you. Trying to pique Russia all the time by closing Russian schools, forbidding to speak Russian, giving fewer privileges to Russians living in your country, demolishing monuments to fallen Soviet soldiers and at the same time worshipping nazi ones – that’s what you are good at. Pure nationalistic country with a corresponding parliament full of nationalists. Have you ever read fables by a famous Russian fabulist Krylov? He has a fable called “Mos’ka and Elephant”. In this fable Mos’ka (a small mongrel doggy) starts barking with at a huge elephant on seeing him. Your country is just like Mos’ka. And you still can’t stop barking at Russia trying to create an image of a put-upon offended country along with other Baltic states.

        • pld says:

          Well, thanks for proving my point. You just parrot the same old propaganda lies. Perhaps try visiting one of those countries some day. If you choose to be brainwashed by your corrupt government, it’s sad, but it’s your choice.

          • russian from estonia says:

            democratic? you make me smile =) its democratic for estonians =)) then who “we”? i live in estonia and i agree that it is a fascist state. bye

            • second russian from estonia says:

              i like in estonia because i can be here without any citizenship, but i can vote in local elections. No duties nothing even not military service no one wants me. I like here i can travel in europe, it is like paradise for russians thats why i dont want come back there. And not only me most of russians here likes to live in estonia.
              Of course officially we dont like , even i say i dont like here but who cares.

  5. Commenting Lithuanian says:

    “Estonia is ex-Soviet Russia country.” Usual neo-Soviet idiocy aside, WTF that is supposed to mean?

  6. Audrius says:

    Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia may not have been occupied on paper, hence these countries were forced to sign documents giving them self “willingly” to the CCCP, which means they were occupied.

  7. Dan says:

    Why are you so jelous of other previous ussr countrys? Do you think they should still be part of russia?

  8. pit says:

    yeah,

    you russian people still can’t get over it that some nations are doing much better without soviet union. Your empire bites the dust and, well, we’re very happy about it.

  9. Texas1 says:

    Isn’t Estonia the country that has good computer science majors that are cheap to hire?

  10. jozhix says:

    Not anymore – IT specs from Baltic’s are too expensive, now it’s Belarus/Ukraine/Russia time for cheap manpower.

    What’s wrong with you Russians, why are you so afraid to admit that Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania where occupied? Russia is great country, few thousands square km’s from its territory as small compensation will not ruin the great imperia… :D. And if Russians are so enslaved in Estonia why they just go back to their motherland? Or maybe it’s better to live in those ‘nazi’ countries, get money from both RU and EE/LV/LT governments as many ex-soviet military liberators (occupants) and their families does? And to be honest – where are all those oppressed Russians, do you know one? I don’t. All I hear are stories coming from Russia just to keep anti Baltic’s propaganda alive. Sure, it’s always easier to blame someone else to keep people dreaming and keep them away from country’s internal problems.

    • russkiebomb says:

      “What’s wrong with you Russians, why are you so afraid to admit that Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania where occupied?”

      Because Soviet Union DID NOT occupied these countries. It was mutual decision of governments at both sides.
      And BTW Russia not equal Soviet Union. Stalin, Trotsky, Beria were NOT Russians.

      • pld says:

        Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Baltic states were occupied by Soviet Union in a military annexation and every civilized country respects that as a basic fact of history. Soviet Union installing a puppet government which signs a piece of paper does not comprise “mutual decision of governments at both sides”

        • russkiebomb says:

          Occupation of Baltic states by SU means the same thing as occupation of Russia by SU. And again legally it was not occupation. Why cant you accept it as historical fact?

          • hck says:

            You make it sound like mythical SU troops came from another planet and occupied Russia.

            While, in fact, at least 99% of those who built up SU were from within Russia…

            What SU regimes did in the past was both illegal and amoral and it sickens me when someone tries to justify that. Russians should be the first to condemn the regime, for they have suffered the most, unfortunately, what I see in forums, is overwhelming masochism and tender nostalgia, and I don’t undestand why.

            Oh, and how come modern Russia pays SU’s debts then?

            • russkiebomb says:

              “You make it sound like mythical SU troops came from another planet and occupied Russia.

              While, in fact, at least 99% of those who built up SU were from within Russia…”

              In bolshevik government (and communist party itself) in 1918-1924 there were only three ethnical russians: Lenin, Chicherin and Lunacharsky. All other members were mostly jews and latvian with few number of Georgians. That situation continued until 1937, when during Great Purge Stalin destroyed many old bolsheviks and Russians got majority in communist party in accordance with demographic situation in state. Main military power behind early bolshevik military was infamous Red Latvian riflemen. There is common opinion about that in world historiography, so if you are interested you can find more information about it.

              “Oh, and how come modern Russia pays SU’s debts then?”
              Russian had no choice. Read further about Gorbachev and Yelcin confrontation in late SU and how modern Russia shaped.

              • hck says:

                you still don’t get it.

                What’s the difference whether Lenin (who was a Tatar btw, not Russian), or the others were Jews, Latvians, Georgians, younameit? We’re not discussing nationalities here. Although it is disputable that the whole commie affair was a masterful plan by German spies to bring Russia out of WW1, all the revolutionaries have their roots in Russian Empire which has been very multiethnic for a very long time.

                Please distinguish Russians as an ethnic group and Russians as simplified version of “inhabitants of Russia”.

                The Soviet government wouldn’t have lasted long without the Red Army. And to my knowledge, there were very few foreigners (i.e. from outside Russia) there. As I said, no alien troops from another planet occupied Russia. All came from within.

                I know plenty about Gorbachev vs Yeltsin conflict, however, my information comes from here. Quote: Russia is considered the Soviet Union’s successor state in diplomatic matters (see Russia’s membership in the United Nations) and is a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council. Prove me/wiki wrong :)

                • hck says:

                  After reading this…

                  why on earth is nationality SO damn important to you?

                  would it make you feel better, if Lenin, Stalin and others were all ethnic Russians and still kill millions of innocent people?

                  why do you take stance as someone would be attacking Russians on an ethnical basis?

                  does the Yeltsin-Gorbachev conflict “undo” the fact that Russia is a successor to SU, or not?

                  if Russia was occupied by SU (which is kind of absurd, being occupied by itself), then it should be fairly easy for you to condemn its crimes, for there have been quite serious one, comparable or even worse than nazi Germany? it’s SU that’s being condemned, not you, so what’s the problem?

                  and speaking of Latvian riflemen, if you take a short glance into the history, they were part of Russian army. There was no de-jure Latvia in 1917 you know, Latvia was part of Russian Empire, so the riflemen falls into “own guys” category. check either encyclopedia or wikipedia if you don’t believe me.

                  in English it’s complicated to express what people mean by “Russian”, there is just one term.

                  I still don’t understand why are you so protective about SU. You possibly cannot deny it stirred a huge amount of s**t into existence, ruined many millions’ peoples lives? Even if you can prove “legitimity” of Baltic States entering SU (which I highly doubt), the deed does not make it morally right, does it?

      • hck says:

        It must be a coincidence then that Russia declared itself a de jure successor to USSR?

        I don’t understand the logic, modern Russia is a successor to USSR, and USSR had a quite cruel totalitarian regime (which was hidden from the regular citizens in the latter period), yet so many Russians are soooo protective about it? What’s the matter?

        • russkiebomb says:

          Russian is successor of USSR the same way as Italy is successor of Roman Empire. Legally we had to do this, but reality is different.
          I am not protective of Soviet Union. It was grim totalitarian state as you said, which brought many horrors to Russian people. But at same time it does not allow us to distort historical facts. And fact is there were no occupations of Baltic states as they join Soviet Union willfully.

          • deskjet says:

            Willingly? The russians shot or deported every member of the government and their families and told whoever was left that either they join the USSR or suffer the same fate. You call that willing?

            • russkiebomb says:

              The “russian” should be changed into “soviet”. And Russians suffered from soviets most of all other nations.

          • pit says:

            Yes, of course…
            And Ukraina willfully let 8’000’000 of the citizens die of hunger.
            And when Hungary in 1956 wanted to gain independence from friendly Soviet Union you sent tanks there and killed thousand of people. Of course Hungary willfully called for Soviet help.
            And Czchoslovakia in 1968 also called willfully for Soviet/Warsaw Pact help…

            Sure…

            I just can’t understand why you can’t deal with your history… Look and Germans – they don’t have such problems as you… They can admit that they done wrong. I can’t understand why you can’t?

            • pld says:

              “Well we did not try to capture the world and wipe out whole nations”

              What? That’s exactly what “you” (I presume you still identify yourself with Stalinist Soviet Union) did. Good thing Stalin croaked in time and you just managed to grab only the eastern part of Europe.

              Nazi Germany was luckily abolished in 1945; but another sick regime, Soviet Union, still seems to live on. I wonder how long till the gulags-death camps start appearing again en masse.

              • hck says:

                1) Pretty much *every* nation, which should have been assimilated into Soviet people (speaking in Russian), or wiped out. The whole key idea was to eliminate nations, and eradicate everyone who was above “very poor”. this should have been covered even by Russian history lessons at schools.

                2) Not the world maybe. Just the European part possibly. For more on this theory, read Suvorov’s Ledokol, btw there are movies on this streamable on video.google.com. There are too many arguments to list here, see for yourself.

              • pld says:

                What’s with the phallic metaphores all the time? Why are you crazy Russian nationalists so obsessed with male genitalia? Latent homosexualism?

                Soviet Union would be just a bad period of history for me and my “countrymen” by now, if not for Russia which is currently transforming into Neo-USSR. It’s you and other nationalists (and the Russian government) who weep for the bygone times of the empire and get furious if anyone tries to discredit the actions of Soviet Union.

        • Dimon says:

          All depends on context. When it is more convenient to think so, Russia was victim of SU. When it is otherwise convenient, SU was Russian empire.
          Simply human nature.

      • russkiebomb says:

        In 1940 there were no such international political entity as Russia. There were state of peasants and workers Soviet Union.

  11. russian bear says:

    This is just some building on the outskirts or a building ready for demolition. I am russian and could care less about Estonia, I wish you the best of luck. Its just our russian culture, check that, are inherited soviet past culture that just seems not to fade, Estonians good luck. Zhievy CCCP./jk

  12. Kal says:

    These are horrible buildings built in soviet time. This is one of the worst examples. I’m pretty sure it’s abandoned and a few pipes burst.

    Down with patriotism, up with humanitarianism (I’m allowed to say that because I’m Estonian :P).

  13. Dave says:

    I spent time in Latvia (immediately south of Estonia), and I went into some of the worst conditions I had ever seen and it looked nothing like this. Estonia is more advanced than Latvia so I am going to have to call BS on these pictures. The building looks right, most look like that because they were soviet built, but the inside is just one rare extreme example of what can happen if a water pipe bursts in the middle of the winter. Trust me the Baltic states have come a long way and while America should not be eager to open its doors and let all of Estonia flood in, it isn’t a horrible place to live.

  14. kgb says:

    News always reports the worst events. Take a look at this
    MUSICAL – Sexy Estonian Girls
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsv4EtigDEI

  15. Fukiku says:

    It’s a bit late to comment on this now, but I saw the clip where these pictures are from on TV. It’s actually not an abandoned building, it’s a building where the people have not paid for heating for some years already and now I guess the pipes burst with the -20 degree colds we had and covered the house in ice. The average debts of the people in the house were a few thousand euros for heating and other utilities.

    The house itself is located in Paldiski, which is a town 50km out of Tallinn. It’s in quite a bad shape, because most of the townspeople were from Soviet military base in the town and after they left, much of the town was abandoned and fell into disrepair. It’s quite a poor area over there.

    But the nature is nice around the town, nice coastal cliffs. I went hiking there last summer ;)

  16. Fred_L says:

    We´ll just have to wait and see what else Russian propaganda organs improvise about Estonia. Knowing that 9th of May is coming and statue of the unknown soldier will be moved to a cemetary it is probable for Russian “news agency´s” to come out with some shocking “news” cough*lies*.
    The nazi card is always used when Russian politics run out off argumented thoughts. Who cares if Russians themselves demolish their own monuments for WW2 veterans to build new roads and make room for new appartment buildings. Garry Kasparov was one who lead attention to this embarassing fact.
    For majority of Russian people the three Baltic states will always be traitors, naughty nazi loving countries who dared to depart from this “voluntary” and “best country in the world” USSR” and of course no “occupation” whatsoever. All these tens of million people sent to Siberia was just a lie just like neo-nazis deny Holocaust.
    Those Soviet truebelievers who rant on this site all the time, go ahead, post whatever comes to your mind. But think for a moment, by preffering one criminal regime (USSR) to other (Nazi-Germany) you are no different from them.

  17. Dave says:

    Making business with Estonia you support and finance Nazis.

    You should understand, that making business with Estonia or buying anything produced in Estonia or visiting Estonia as a tourist, you actually support and finance a new generation of European Nazis. Please, spend a couple of minutes to read the letter to the end, because your voice of a free human is very important in preventing the revival of Fascism in the Europe.

    Estonia, which has recently joined to EU and NATO, officially practices Apartheid policies and does its best to rehabilitate and legalize Fascism, for years. EU, US and other democracies preferred not to pay attention on that till now. However, it doesn’t cancel the fact that Estonia carries out a policy of Ethnic Discrimination against ethnic Russians, who constitute a third part of its population. Most of these people were born in this country or live here for 30-40 years, but they were not even provided citizenship and are treated as second class people. Moreover, Estonia officially glorifies legionaries of Hitler’s SS troops that exterminated Jews in Fascist death camps in Estonia during the Holocaust. Government sets up monuments to these Fascist butchers. They are allowed to march in the downtown of the capital, Tallinn. They are invited to official events; the Estonian President shakes their bloody hands, and calls them heroes of Estonia.

    At the same time, Estonian government aggressively fights with any memories of millions of the Soviet soldiers, who paid with their lives to free Europe from the plague of the Fascism and to save dozens millions of Europeans of the death. And democratic countries – first of all EU and US, prefer to dissemble this again. But recently Estonian regime overstepped the limits, which makes it absolutely illegal from the point of view of common human values. On April 26, Estonian authorities have decided to finally erase the memory of the victory of Russian soldiers over the Hitler’s Nazism by destroying the main World War II memorial to a Soviet warrior-rescuer, Bronze Soldier. For those Russians who live in Estonia, demolition of the memorial is not just a removal of some architectonic construction. This is the most painful insult of the memories of their fathers and grandfathers, who died in battle with the Fascism to bring freedom to the Europe.

    Thousands of offended Estonian Russians came to a peaceful protest demonstration, demanding from Estonian officials to stop the vandalism. But instead dialogue Estonian authorities sent special police forces to suppress the protest. With no reason they started to fire in the protesters rubber bullets, water cannon and tear-gas, throw flash-bang grenades, and baton women and teenagers. During the massacre the first ethnic Russian was killed, dozens were injured and hundreds were arrested just because of their Russian ethnicity. Those arrested were thrown into in a harbor warehouse as they were livestock, and there they were beat by police within an inch of their life. Just think – in the heart of the Europe an Apartheid regime kills, injures and arrests hundreds people just because of their ethnicity! However, almost all of the European and American media keep hypocritical silence or even worse call this “pacifying gangs of drung vandals”.

    This is disgrace! This is shame not only on those European and US governments that support this Nazi state. This is shame on every European and American who keeps silence today. Keeps silence, because somewhere inside he or she is confident that rehabilitation of Fascism, and Apartheid crimes committed against those “dirty Russian” at the heart of the European Union, provide “useful lesson” to Russians and Russia. But maybe you think that this is not your business? Then let me remind you a famous phrase by German priest Martin Niemoller he said about Nazis in 1945: “First they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew…. Then they came for me and by that time there was no one left who can speak up for me”. Today, new European Nazis came for the Russians, and the Europeans keep silence or, better to say, silently approve. Well, you can be sure – this is just the beginning, and some day yours home-grown Nazis, inspired by your silence of the crimes of the Estonian Fascism, will come for you. And there will be no one to speak up for you. Because Russians, once rescued the Europe from the Fascism, will never pay again with millions of their lives for those not speaking up today.

    So what can you do? Not too much. But quite enough to stop Nazis. At least don’t finance them. Don’t buy anything produced from Estonia. Don’t do any kind of business with Estonian companies and organizations. Don’t invest in Estonian stocks. Don’t fly to Estonia as a tourist. What else? Maybe, to ask your representative in the House of Representatives, why your government spends your taxes to support Estonian Nazis? Or to forward this letter to your local newspaper and ask them, why they never write about Apartheid in Estonia? Or to call to Estonian embassy in your country, and ask them what is that they think they are doing? Or at least forward this letter to a few friends and colleagues? Your voice CAN prevent revival of Nazism, if you want it

  18. Pelle Svanslös says:

    Better dead than red, Fred.

  19. Tom Fox says:

    Yawn……. Jealousy I think.

  20. Woah says:

    I live in Estonia (Tallinn) and i haven’t seen this picture ever in my life… :D
    I am living in better condition than this. In addition, now we have this USA thing but most or all EU countries have it.

  21. blaah says:

    Nice home u have.

  22. mishko says:

    Check out some estonian chicks at girlfriendvideos.com

  23. Kcaniba says:

    estonian nazis love ice!!???
    so, proud to bee estonian nazi icemen

  24. Openeyed says:

    This is the first time on Englishrussia that the comments were much more enjoyable than the post for me!

  25. Capt says:

    Ok, time has passed and Estonia is part of USA visa waiver program! Also, Russians and Estonians have never been friends! Just neighbors by geography! However, Germans,Swedes,Finns and now Americans are totally another story! They are friends! Problem with Russia is that it don’t honor Estonian independency and keeps wanting to occupy it!
    What comes to this apartment. It shows that it belongs to Russian who lives in east part of Estonia. 90% of people in this particular area are Russians and this part of Estonia is very poor and criminal, like a ghetto!

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