Comments on: Russia For Russians? http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/ Daily selected things from Russia and ex USSR countries. Published In English. Fri, 13 Oct 2017 08:39:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0.1 By: Koslo Dneiwicz http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-4299829 Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:20:52 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-4299829 Ruski made an insightful comment.

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By: Rusana http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-407896 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:58:00 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-407896 Cheshire_d0g

this is not Zhirinovskij (even though it’s Vladimir!!!)

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By: raj from india http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-199135 Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:47:13 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-199135 As an indian student who studied in Russia for 7 years,i defenitely know the level of racism in Russia.I have been to many european countries,but no were did i feel this much hated as in russia for just being non white.I was a person who deeply loved Russia,ethnic russians and russian culture.I always tried to help old Russians who were in hospitals were i trained.I partcipated in celebrating russian christmas,masslenniza and other russian festivals with my good,civilized ethnic russian friends.I cannot generalize whole ethnic russians as racists.There are many civilized,progressive russkis.I used to symphatise with russia during chechen war,because of the cruelty shown on ethnic russians who lived in chechnya by islamic chechens.And it is also true that some people from kavkaz used to indulge in suspicious activities.As we cannot generalize whole russkis as racists,we cannot generalize whole kavkazis as criminals.It is for the law enforcement agencies to decide who the criminal is irrespective of their nationality.What is so gruesome that is happening in russia is that many foreign students are killed or maimed for just being non white.Just imagine being attacked just because of your skin colour irrespective of being a friend or foe, or criminal or law abiding.When such things happen with alarming frequency in a country,you cannot call such a country civilized.I previously thought that such things happen only in uncivilized ,barbarian countries where there is no respect for humanity and human rights as in many muslim countries .But i am proved wrong.What if people around the world start to hate ethnic russians, just for being ethnic russians.It is irrational to justify blind hate towards any nationality or race.

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By: baa http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-10525 Fri, 03 Nov 2006 22:14:33 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-10525 it is a racist rather than nationalist slogan; russkyy denotes ethnicity while rossiaskyy denotes nationality and is used for all citizens of russia

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By: 14thJuly http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-8904 Sat, 28 Oct 2006 10:19:28 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-8904 Go to Grozny, dumbo!

You liberals are not happy with betraying USA, you also want Russians to follow your digusting trend?

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By: reznik http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-3894 Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:36:05 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-3894 there are Nazi’s in Uruguay. Nazi’s in Argentina….. and its not even ‘their’ countries..

not to mention the treatment of Aboriginies in the past by Canada and Australia…………………

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By: dRE http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-3835 Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:40:21 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-3835 Michael JF: You can find this in any country, yet nobody is shouting about it, instead they all accuse Russia. Hypocrites! :)

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By: Michael JF http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-3778 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:57:02 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-3778 So what? we have texas politicans who run with the minute man movement, in case you don’t know what that is, it’s a AMERICA FOR AMERICANS moment, against mexicans who differ in color then them.

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By: Cheshire_d0g http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-3656 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 10:58:00 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-3656 2 dRE:
Yeah, I agree, Bush is sometimes even worse. But it’s not an excuse. What troubles me is that a lot of americans laugh at Bush’s dumbness (for example, take as look at http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/George_Dubya_Bush ), but a lot of russians admire similar things in Zhirik.

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By: Marius http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-3604 Tue, 03 Oct 2006 01:31:56 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-3604 If Caucasian guests respect Russian people, culture, social values, language, civilisation – it wouldn’t be any problem of xenophobia in Russia. But they come and create the national gangs which are engaged in racket, drug traffic, illegal traffic of arms. I don’t want to say that all Caucasians are the gangsters, but the most of them – yes. That’s why many of native Russians are don’t want to live with them.

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By: Kosmonaut http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-3593 Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:21:40 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-3593 la rusiphobie
jfi all former ussr republics live with exactly such principles “georgia for georgians” etc. and many russians and other slavonics have to move from their becouse of extreme nationalism.
you are rusophobe that means you are nationalist. so nationalist teach us how not to be nationalist. are you ok? you defenitly need doctor

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By: dRE http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-3589 Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:00:57 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-3589 Dark-skinned people as well as white-skinned people are being murdered everywhere in the world, USA is no different. In fact, Americans just kill their own citizens, without regards to skin-color – just look at the latest school shootings!

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By: ski88er http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-3580 Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:42:28 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-3580 ‘moto’…. double “t” here

why do you make mistakes even in your native language?
maybe it would be better for you to buy a dictionary before you start teaching us (I mean Russians) to be tolerant to the eastern so called “guests”?

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By: dRE http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-3570 Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:08:36 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-3570 Egbert: Thanks, you’re the first person here who actually understood what I was trying to say!
Just as the Dutch would like to see Muslims integrated into their society, Russians too would have no problem with living with our Caucassian neighbours, IF they respected our culture and society (as you put it). But they don’t and that’s when racism comes into play (same with my Belgian friends actually). And you should know that Vlaams Belang is in fact a racist organization.

So yes, you cannot depict Russia or Netherlands or any other country this way, but somehow the creators of this website are stressing it all on Russia, while the rest of world seems to be ok, and it’s not!

2 W.Shedd: “playground for visually interesting photos or videos”?? Man, are you ok? This site unreasonably insults my country in every possible way and that amuses you? You actually think people will get interested in Russia by seeing posts such as this one?!

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By: someone http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-3564 Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:50:25 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-3564 This is strange to see an advertisment like that. Simply because
a) he may be arrested for that slogan
b) or atleast disallowed to enter elections.

There already were “b” situations when some parties that tried to use racists motives to increase their popularity.

That may be a photoshop fake, though, if it’s a real one – this is sad.

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By: ilyich http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-3561 Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:43:15 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-3561 I agree with W.Shedd above– but even I cannot help myself and delve too deeply into serious thoughts in my comments.

But yes, xenophobia is growing around the world. Even my own relatives in Russia make horrible comments about “gypsies” (Tzigani) being nothing but “dirty thieves.”

The planet ain’t getting any bigger folks, we better learn to live together soon, or we all die together.

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By: W. Shedd http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-3541 Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:21:27 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-3541 I don’t think this is a forum for any serious discussion of these issues – it is mostly a playground for visually interesting photos or videos. Maybe it will create enough interest as to expose some otherwise non-interested english speakers to real Russian and Slavic culture.

But you shouldn’t expect great intellectual discussions or even fair treatment. This is a light-weight forum.

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By: Kosmonaut http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-3533 Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:56:18 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-3533 It seems to me that the authors of this website are continuously depicting Russia in exactly this unfair kind of way. It’s an easy method for making fun of a country and I can imagine that it might be annoying/insulting for people from Russia because it doesn’t show things objectively. But don’t bother too much about it, any country can be depicted in such a way, and everybody with a little brain will also know that. I don’t see this as propaganda, it’s just dumb entertainment, and I assume/hope that is also the purpose of the authors.

thx for those words, it is very glad to meet objective and friendly person

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By: Egbert http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-3532 Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:50:21 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-3532 > @dRE:
> “Racism is an issue everywhere, particularly in Europe.”

I wouldn’t call that ‘racism’ dRE, at least not in the Netherlands. It’s more an issue of integration. In my city (Rotterdam) more than half of the people are immigrants. In itself, that is no problem at all. As long as people speak the language and respect the basics of our culture and society, they’re welcome. Unfortunately this does not always happen, and at some point cities like Rotterdam, Amsterdam and The Hague were so crowded with unintegrated (mainly Muslim) immigrants that things like language problems, lack of education, unemployment and criminality became a serious issue. The cultural clash with Muslim way-of-living also became a problem. That has nothing to do with ‘racism’ though! But in the Netherlands, women are equal to men and are allowed to have jobs, wear short skirts, etc etc etc. That’s the way our culture and society works and everybody who wants to live here has to respect that. No wonder this has become a political issue around here (it still is) and it’s also logical that drastic measures are sometimes necessary.

When those measures are being showed apart, without knowing their context, you could also depict The Netherlands as an intolerant, racist country. But that’s not a fair way of dealing with these issues!

It seems to me that the authors of this website are continuously depicting Russia in exactly this unfair kind of way. It’s an easy method for making fun of a country and I can imagine that it might be annoying/insulting for people from Russia because it doesn’t show things objectively. But don’t bother too much about it, any country can be depicted in such a way, and everybody with a little brain will also know that. I don’t see this as propaganda, it’s just dumb entertainment, and I assume/hope that is also the purpose of the authors.

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By: steroid http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-3531 Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:48:00 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-3531 I mean, “russkii” means “russian” as an ethnic group.
“rossiyanin” means basically a citizen of russia.

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By: steroid http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-3529 Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:47:02 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-3529 actually “russia for russians (russkiye)” is both xenophobic and ultranationalistic, because RF defines itself as a multinational state. if it were “russia for russians (rossiya dlja rossiyan)”, it would be okay.

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By: dRE http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-3515 Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:08:07 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-3515 2 Cheshire_d0g:

So? Bush is a clown too and the majority of the US population seems to like it. I won’t even quote his ridiculous slogans!

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By: Sokudo http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-3511 Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:53:12 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-3511 Any slogan can be interpreted differently – and this one only leaves more room for racism-oriented interpretation. And it also gives a reason for every person to divide people into Russians and Not-Russians in his or her mind, whereas IT REALLY DOESN’T MATTER, we’re all people and that’s that/

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By: Cheshire_d0g http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-3507 Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:14:31 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-3507 Well, tag this note with “Zhirinovsky”. He’s one of the most eccentric and intolerable politicians in Russia, relying mostly on lumpinized masses as his electors. The slogan of his previous campaign was someting like “For every women – a man, for every man – a bottle of vodka”. He plays the role of a clown in politics. The bad thing is, many people like it.

Another article about him here: http://englishrussia.com/?p=279

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By: Kosmonaut http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-3502 Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:00:06 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-3502 that slogan is not nationalistic and that party not either. that is anti-immigration and anti-hastarbaiters slogan, thats all. there are a lot of such parties all over the world.

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By: dRE http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-3494 Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:26:41 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-3494 Racism is an issue everywhere, particularly in Europe. Here’s an example:
In Belgium there will be municipal elections on 8th October and in one major city – Antwerp – there is a fear of a racist right-wing party “Vlaams Belang” coming to power. This party is against all foreigners in Flanders (Dutch-speaking region) particularly Muslims (Turks, Maroccans, etc.) which they think should be departed from Belgium as people uncapable of integrating into Flemish society.
“Vlaams Belang” is currently supported by 35% of Antwerp’s population and this figure is believed to be higher after the elections. If they win, it will be the first major victory for right-wing racist parties in the history of Europe.
For those who understand Dutch, here’s what they say about immigrants:
http://www.vlaamsbelang.org/index.php?p=21&id=5

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By: Kosmonaut http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/02/russia-for-russians/#comment-3490 Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:10:57 +0000 http://englishrussia.com/?p=354#comment-3490 not “texas for whites” but “texas for americans”, so it is so in texas yeah?
but the real fashizm is in kazakhstan, in theire constitution kazakh are the only owners of kazakhstan. the same is in israel, france, finland, etc. so all that countries are fashists?

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